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[adrianf]

haha well they aren't exactly cheap

i was thinking of swapping my MD100s in my system 340s for esotars.

i was quoted a price just for the tweeters that was a lot more than i paid for my whole system 340s

[XHELL]

Knoxy - You have great splits, but I think it may be in the install and how they are positioned and aimed, I don't think is ideal.

When I first started getting around this world of audio I always wanted a Orion NT tweeter matched with the Orion XTR 8MB, 2 way, then everyone started doing it so I went a different route.

But at the end of the day, a 3 way can be set up so each speaker is doing what its designed for, where as a 2 way has to cover more ground.

It'll be awhile off yet as the car is still rust, but in a while (possibly few years) I'll hopefully have a car that has been fully restored and built entirely around the audio , and I can't wait (but I have to cos its gunno cost me a mint), and initial thoughts are 2 way front end, but a very special 2 way which I'm not saying until the car is done, so yeah, installation may be holding you back.

PS - the car will be a 1958 Jaguar Mark IX, and most people here won't be familiar with it the amount of room to play with is like a school oval, heaps of potential to get the drivers a fair distance away and apart. Finger crossed this gets off the ground. Its been a dream of mine to build something worthy of taking to a world finals ..

[Dr DJ Choss]

Go three way.
Note home audio speaker designs...

[shiny_car]

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Originally posted by R:
Go three way.
Note home audio speaker designs...
 

except "2-way front splits + sub" = 3-way. so i think you are trying to make the wrong point.

when using a 3-way front stage, you are in fact creating a 4-way system when it includes the sub(s).

kevlar: 2 CAASQ-winning cars include our own T-bro's and the Nowra HiFi monaro. both these cars run 2-way front stages, and both sound exceptional (i have heard both personally). needless to say, you can have awesome SQ with 2-way front splits without a lack of anything.

aside from 'installation', it's important to choose the splits carefully. for example, you cannot expect a set of 8" 2-way splits to provide midrange as sweetly as 5.25" 2-way splits. for this reason, many people choose 5.25" 2-way splits ahead of 6+" ones, and combine them with smallish subs (eg: 10") for a nice coherent 3-way (incl sub) setup.

however, IMHO, if you can afford to properly install and power a quality set of 3-way front splits, then you should be better off in terms of SQ.

[jas]

ive heard great results using 2way or 3way upfront designs + rear sub

the 2 way setup is a relatively cheaper setup (if you were to use same brand and level of speaker drivers)

however due to the 3way setup you allow yourself for a more complicated setup but at the same time give yourself more install flexibility.

in a 3way setup the mid is very small usually 3-5inches and gives you more options. For example a 4inch mid is realively easy to mount in dash compared to a 6.5inch midbass. Another example would be small kickpanels which can not accept large drivers without major reconstruction or metal cutting. Kickpanels also can be a challenge when there is wireloom/computer/fuse box.

another challenge is the intergation of the separate midbass. Distance between these and the mid/trebel can cause localised midbass and "unbalance" the front stage. Careful crossover point choice, position of midbass and firng direction are very important.

one of the best setups ive heard has been a 2way 6.5inch component set with a single 10inch sub in the rear. This set was using a soft dome tweeter and 6db/oct passive crossovers. The result was amazing. Not a loud system but just sooo enjoyable