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[Anonymous]

I'm looking at getting my new front stage as part of my xmas present from parents.
They're wanting to order it this week so I've gotta make up my mind fairly soon.

they'll be powered by an LRX 2.500 (200wrms x 2)

My decision is, should I go with Dynaudio 3 ways, Dynaudio 2 ways, or Boston Z6s

I love the idea of having the tweeter right over the woofer on the Z6s, it'll make pods so much easier and free up my design. however will the Dyn 2 ways sound nicer? or should i go for Dyn 3 ways and use them as a 2 way speaker until I can afford extensive pods.

Ive never heard the bostons before however im assured that they are an excellent speaker, i am unable to demo them anywhere in perth. however they have such a good reputation im fairly confident I will like them.

I love the sound of Dyns however every SQ car in perth has them, that is the only thing putting me off getting Dyns. also I feel the power handling of bostons may be slightly higher? (will have to keep up with my DD 9515 getting 1500wrms)

Thanks in advance for any help!

[Anonymous]

Also throw into the equation Dyn 240 ESOTARS

[dasherhalo]

Nice parents!

Not too many Z6's out there..... and if the Boston Pro's are anything to go by, these things should be awesome.

You're not going to be unhappy with any of the choices, methinks, so mounting considerations become important: but then again, you've already though of that, haven't you?

You sig reads Boston for the front stage already: have you already got Bostons, or have you basically made up you mind?

[Winno]

My jaw hit the floor when I heard a set of Z6's which were run off a ZX-475Ti PG amp fed with a Nakamichi CD-45z cd player.

I've heard alot of speakers in my days in the audio industry and these were the best I've heard.
I'd have to liken them to a good set of full, rich, musical sounding $3000-$4000 home speakers easily.

So easy on the ear up top (the Pro 6.5 sounded bright and tizzy by comparison) and with a very deep, powerfull bottom end. Voices sounded very natural and real.

Absolutely incredible!
They're also NZ$2600 the set...

[roughcactus]

Can I answer your question?...No

Would I like to have your problem?...Hell Yeah!!!

As stated above both would be fantastic...just lay it on thick and tell your folks if they really loved you they would fly you around Australia to audition them

[Anonymous]

hahahaha

I currently have some Boston Rally's on a plane headnig to W.A so that i can wack them in my car and get a feel for Bostons, as i have literally, never heard a set (not that i can remember anyway). so that explains the sig, before spending up big im wanting to ensure that im making the right choice.

My parents pretty much are sick of me switching and swapping audio, and when they asked why i do, i said that i could never find a nice mix between my front stage and my bass. so with a bit of pursuasion they've agreed to pay for 75% of watever speakers i decide on, but i have to promise that i wont sell them for at least 12 months.

so that leaves me with the issue,

do i go for the most popular speaker on the non existant wa sq circuit - the Dyn 3 ways.

or do i go for Z6's

thanks for the comments so far, especially with your first hand knowledge Winno. it has helped me alot.

I have got alot of room for a kickpanel install, but i figure, that if i go the 3 ways, i will then have to spend $1200.00+ on some nice kickpanels with door panels to do them justice, slightly less to even get them installed properly.

where as the Z6s can be bolted straight into a very simple pod, or even just the door until i have the money to build some pods to do them justice.

either way though, I know i will be happy, but which will I be happier with. low end is very important, as is a very smooth high end. Im looking for a split that i can describe as 'warm hunny' if that makes sense, ie: very smooth, very warm yet giving a sharp yet sweet after taste.

The only problem I have found with the Z6, is that the Australian Distributer wont keep stock of them, he will only operate on filling back orders, so it means that if i order them, it'll be a 4-5 week wait before I can get them. which doesnt make me too happy.
on the plus side, I would have the only pair in perth.

please though, continue with your opinions, be completely blunt about it, dont be afraid to knock either Dynaudio or Boston as I'm unable to get a proper audition of either.

[NUTTTR]

in my opinion dyn's don't really go that loud... While that may sound stupid to say, i really don't think they have the sort of "loud" that you want... The Z6, while being a nice speaker won't go that loud either, they have minimal excursion, but, from what i've heard they are very tight and very very nice sounding, but for 2K they'd want to be........
How about you get Focal Utopia 3 way, or PG Ti 3 way elites?
Aaorn

[Anonymous]

i cannot stand focals, focals are the kinda speaker u either love or hate imo, and i just happen to certainly not love them.

I was considering PG Elites, especially considering JohnA is selling his on ACAP after being hardly used. I've had the PG Tantrums and loved them, I was very disappointed in the PG Tantrum X though, so im sorta a bit perplexed as to the PG's especially, considering I cannot listen to them first. Although if somebody can say they absolutely loved the Elites that they heard and consider them better than the Z6s or Dyns I will definately look at them.

I know that the Elites can go blisteringly loud.

[fuddbutter]

go the bostons, they have a little swich which dose something?? aks t-bro, that acts as a little time aliment thingy for when the tweeter is mounted on the bridge.

if the pro's are anything to go by, the Z6's would be damn awsome!

[Scotty03]

I have Dynaudio 2 ways ( MD 130 Tweeter MW160GT woofer and X280 crossover )and I love them, and they do go loud even with only 90 Wrms per channel, I know of people putting 200wrms per channel to them and they handled the power just nicely, a two way set or 3 way set with an Escotar tweeter would sound amazing with the right install, if you havn't all ready go speak to the guys at Audio Art and Technologies in the City, they do some sweet work and would be familiar with Dynaudio. Also a mate of mine has MB Quart Q-lines and they sound pretty sweet to....just another suggestion.

[Anonymous]

thanks for the help scotty, i go through Technik instead of audioart, same diff though

I've heard many sets of dyns and really do like them, im just worried they wont go loud enough for me, also the factor of them being so damn common now is getting to me.

MBQ's are like focals imo, too bright, and lacking low end. definately thanks for the opinion though

fudd thanks for that, i heard sumthin about that switch also, sounds very promising. also the ability to add on ambient tweets would be a good thing to explore also.

Im definately leaning towards bostons, will they go loud enough though?
6 months ago people were saying that bostons were about as loud a split as you can go. is this still the case?

ive drawn the 3 ways out of the equation now.

so pretty much

Z6 vs 240 Esotar.
ive never heard the Esotar tweet however apparently its brilliant. any ideas?

[ November 06, 2003, 20:39: Message edited by: NUMB ]

[APCO25]

go the Boston Z6's, I am waiting on my set to arrive

[jas]

esotar

hmmmmm

is it a great tweeter...yes

is it easy to install NOOOOOOO

sq is all about optimal tweeter and mid locations

this means trying to achieve MORE equal path length between left and right which requires indash or kickpanel options (sorry not A pillar...bad location). However kick panels have massive problems. Maybe a small md100 on the dash to extend the height of the sound stage. If you can live with the sound of kickpanels ( i know i can not) then the install becomes a little easier. With that being said the size of the tweeter requires a big kickpanel area, and possibly cutting metal in the kickpanel itself. WIth this being said the kick panel area is the most critical to the safety cell of your car. Take metal out from there and you better replace it with reinforcing.

SO

can the esotar be used in the car

YES

if you can place the esotar on axis in a location that is unblocked by obstacles and the path differences between left and right are minimalised

THEN

6db x-over 4.7 or 5u f cap

find a matching midrange with smooth rolloff and flat on axis response. This mid requires to be high bandwidth to be able to be rolled off with a 6 db x-over at high frequencies.

active setup is an option if you can afford the amp channels and this gives more options to the midrange or even mid/midbass unit. Steep x-over slopes can then allow for drivers with not so nice frequency response above 3Khz like the focal utopia W6 and seas excell mids.

place mid as close as possible to the tweeter.

FINDING A MIDRANGE DRIVER

scanspeak revelator mid (4 to 5inch) might be a pick for these duties. However you must use a midbass driver.

in the end using the esotar creates massive head aches for any true sq optons.

POWER AMPS

minimum power into 4ohms 200watts rms. Just remember this is one of a very few tweeters that can take power.

SUMMARY

if you are up to the challenge then the rewards are breath taking.

good luck

btw maybe the focal td5 is an easier option for off axis setup and these in comparison to the esotar are tiny.

[-DJ-]

personally i'd have the 240esotars. the fact that everyone else has them means nothing to me, because its not everyone else that is buying them, nor is it everyone else who drives my car!

my personal opinion here (and i'm prolly gonna be flamed for this one) is that the dynaudio tweets make bostons sound honky in comparison, but it all comes down to taste. some people love the practically 0-distortion sound of the dyns. others think it makes them sound boring and lifeless and clinical. i think they just sound like nothing! (which is what most purists will strive for!)

i can't imagine anyone to be unhappy with a 240esotar set, if they're dyn fans.

2c

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[T-Bro]

yep, the boston pro's have a setting on the x-over that phase aligns the tweeters island with the midrange, so theyre meant to be operated as a quality coaxial.

yes, the bostons go loud, anything over 50wrms will get them moving, with even more power few find them quiet and laidback. and they don't die, they handle huge power.

would the Z6's be a good buy? i've never heard them, but i reckon they would be! im keen for an audition but nobody stocks them in the boards.

but yeah, my experience with top of the line bostons is big power handling, durable and long lasting, and accurate sound.