I am just wondering, are there any audiable different between pure tube amp and sloid state amp? could a tube preamp make my audison LRX sound similer to Butler tube driver blue?
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Started by golf_bht, Mar 23 2004 02:07 AM
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Posted 23 March 2004 - 02:24 AM
There aren't many pure tube amps out there for car audio. The Bulter's only have a tube pre amp, so i'd imagine if you found one to put before your Audison, it may sound similar, but why would you do it? If you like the sound of the Butler's, why not buy one instead of trying to imitate it?
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Posted 23 March 2004 - 11:57 AM
Jaycar now offer a preamp tube kit. No idea what its like though, just an option if your looking to play
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Posted 23 March 2004 - 01:01 PM
i got a Phaze Audio valve line driver with XLR outputs, never have hooked it up to try it and see if there are any differences.
might do that soon
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Posted 23 March 2004 - 04:13 PM
i thought milbert was the only all tube amplifier (this excludes power supply)
the butler i thought used the 12ax7 or 12au7 for voltage gain with a mosfet output/current stage. Basically the butler tube driver is a hybrid audio amp.
the butler i thought used the 12ax7 or 12au7 for voltage gain with a mosfet output/current stage. Basically the butler tube driver is a hybrid audio amp.
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Posted 23 March 2004 - 05:26 PM
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i thought milbert was the only all tube amplifier (this excludes power supply)
the butler i thought used the 12ax7 or 12au7 for voltage gain with a mosfet output/current stage. Basically the butler tube driver is a hybrid audio amp.
the butler i thought used the 12ax7 or 12au7 for voltage gain with a mosfet output/current stage. Basically the butler tube driver is a hybrid audio amp.
Correct.
The Butler on an O-Scope has a rather sharp turn on slope indicating no tubes on the input side IIRC. No warm up means no tubes. The "warm" dial is also a gain control.
Tru Technology also have tube amplifiers with some Copper series models.
Personally I'm not a fan of tubes in the car environment. I don't care if they sound "warm," its noise and not what an amplifier should do which is reproduce the signal cleanly.
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Posted 23 March 2004 - 06:56 PM
Be careful.
It's a generalisation to say that tube amps have that "lush" sound. Sure lots do but I've heard some harsh, brittle sounding valve amps in my years in the audio industry.
I'd love to try a Copper Tru or perhaps a Butler myself though.
It's a generalisation to say that tube amps have that "lush" sound. Sure lots do but I've heard some harsh, brittle sounding valve amps in my years in the audio industry.
I'd love to try a Copper Tru or perhaps a Butler myself though.
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Posted 25 March 2004 - 03:12 PM
Pure tube (Milbert and Tru Tech C-7 AT) would sound different to SS amps.
Remember, tubes actually distort sound but in an even order and thats what makes them sound good to some pple.
The Butler is a Hybrid tube amp - tubes are in the preamp only.
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Remember, tubes actually distort sound but in an even order and thats what makes them sound good to some pple.
The Butler is a Hybrid tube amp - tubes are in the preamp only.
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Posted 25 March 2004 - 09:19 PM
Thank alot for your comments. have enyone had audition any of them yet?I Think I might go for one of those but where to get either one of them?
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Posted 25 March 2004 - 11:57 PM
golf_bht said:
Thank alot for your comments. have enyone had audition any of them yet?I Think I might go for one of those but where to get either one of them?
In NSW, contact Marty at www.fhrxstudios.com for Tru Tech or online from www.advanceae.com.au
I'm not sure who carries Milbert in NSW.
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Posted 29 March 2004 - 10:42 PM
The typical "tube" sound is caused by an extremely low damping factor. For obvious reasons, these amplifiers are not hi-fi. You can get the same "tube" sound with a solid state amplifier by simply adding resistance in series with the speaker (to lower the damping factor).
Of course, not all tube amplifiers have very low damping factors and these can reproduce sound cleanly. (and happen to sound virtually the same as solid state amplifiers)
Yes, tubes can and do introduce various nonlinearities, but once they start causing audible distortion, then obviously they are no longer clean..
Of course, not all tube amplifiers have very low damping factors and these can reproduce sound cleanly. (and happen to sound virtually the same as solid state amplifiers)
Yes, tubes can and do introduce various nonlinearities, but once they start causing audible distortion, then obviously they are no longer clean..
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 02:10 PM
Soundstream offer a Tube Preamplifier in the form of a processor called the MTUBE8.
It has been reviewed by a member currently with very pleasing results.
The difference in sound especially in the high frequency region is very detailed and full.
George
It has been reviewed by a member currently with very pleasing results.
The difference in sound especially in the high frequency region is very detailed and full.
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 03:57 PM
Thread from the dead! 
Yep, I heard it (SS preamp) in my car last week.
Definately sounds like a much "fuller" sound, however I don't know whether this is because its because it uses tubes or the fact it is a line driver and increases signal voltage.
Guess we'll never know. Actually, I will in time
Yep, I heard it (SS preamp) in my car last week.
Definately sounds like a much "fuller" sound, however I don't know whether this is because its because it uses tubes or the fact it is a line driver and increases signal voltage.
Guess we'll never know. Actually, I will in time
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 04:18 PM
Was it your car George had that processor in
The read out from the RTA confirmed everything that was heard. There is a big difference especially in the high region of the frequency spectrum.
Increase in signal voltage reduces the noise floor i dont think the change in sound had much to with it.
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The read out from the RTA confirmed everything that was heard. There is a big difference especially in the high region of the frequency spectrum.
Increase in signal voltage reduces the noise floor i dont think the change in sound had much to with it.
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 04:19 PM
Yeh, I bumped it by voting. 
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