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#1 joms

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Posted 18 August 2004 - 01:40 AM

I plan to put a 3 way system using Dynaudio speakers. My vehicle is a 2004 Ford escape and ideally, i would want to put the 1.1" tweeters and 3.2" mids in the dash area while the 6.5" midbass would go to the doors. However, it seems the mids wont fit in the Dash so i would probably put it in a kickpanel while retaining the tweets in the dash. Would this be ok?

Dash = Tweeter (Dynaudio MD100)(Audison 2x40rms)
Mids = Kickpanel (Dynaudio MD140) (Audison 2x130rms)
Midbass = Doors (Dynaudio MW160) (Audison 2x130rms)

Or would you also put the tweeter in the kicks? The thing why i want to put the tweeters up in the dash is because the soundfield tends to be much better = the sound opens up in front of you. If its in the kicks, the sound doesnt appear to fly away in front of you, specially if your legs or some bags are blocking the speakers.


My planned system setup:
http://www.joms.net/audio.htm

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my other components are:

HU = either the Alpine IVA-D900 or the Pioneer AVH-P7550DVD (depending which would give me a better SQ)
Audiocontrol DQS ( 30 band 1/3 oct. digital equalizer)
Audiocontrol DXS (3 way crossover)
JL500.1 = amp for subs
JL12w6v2 = subs (sealed)
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#2 Winno

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Posted 18 August 2004 - 09:53 AM

nm
The car:
Honda RB3 Odyssey Lux - 24 bitness and 5ch bipolar Class A/B activeness
Source/processor:
Clarion HX-D2, Cleaved iP4
Amplification:Phoenix Gold Titanium 500.4 & 600.2, Alpine PDX4.150
Drivers:Audible Physics XR3M super wide band point source mid/tweeters, Seas Prestige L16RNSL midbasses, Infinity Perfect 10VQ sub, Fountek FR88EX wide band rears
Cables:Monster Cable XLN Pro, Monster Cable XLN S-16

The home:
Home two channel - Class A valve and ribbon goodness

Source:
Sony XA5ES (Burson discrete op amps x 6)
Amplification: Bewitch KT88 class A valve integrated
Speakers:Aurum Cantus Leisure II ribbon monitors (EXO modded, hand made ribbons) & high massed Epos stands
Cables: Kimber Kable PBJ, 4TC, 8TC

#3 joms

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Posted 18 August 2004 - 11:37 AM

whats nm?

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Posted 18 August 2004 - 01:53 PM

nm = no message.

Sorry.
The car:
Honda RB3 Odyssey Lux - 24 bitness and 5ch bipolar Class A/B activeness
Source/processor:
Clarion HX-D2, Cleaved iP4
Amplification:Phoenix Gold Titanium 500.4 & 600.2, Alpine PDX4.150
Drivers:Audible Physics XR3M super wide band point source mid/tweeters, Seas Prestige L16RNSL midbasses, Infinity Perfect 10VQ sub, Fountek FR88EX wide band rears
Cables:Monster Cable XLN Pro, Monster Cable XLN S-16

The home:
Home two channel - Class A valve and ribbon goodness

Source:
Sony XA5ES (Burson discrete op amps x 6)
Amplification: Bewitch KT88 class A valve integrated
Speakers:Aurum Cantus Leisure II ribbon monitors (EXO modded, hand made ribbons) & high massed Epos stands
Cables: Kimber Kable PBJ, 4TC, 8TC

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Posted 18 August 2004 - 11:02 PM

will be a sweet system by the looks of the gear you've got!

i'd have the lot in the kicks, but thats just me. i feel its still the best place for splits in most cars.

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Posted 18 August 2004 - 11:58 PM

hello

BMW X6 Performance Parts & audison THESIS Audio Install

"Expensive" gear doesn't = Good Sound Quality, but it sure gave me "EXCLUSIVITY"


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Posted 19 August 2004 - 01:47 AM

hi!

Source: ClarionDRX-9255

Front Stage: DYNAUDIO System240mkII

Amps: Phoenix GoldZPA-0.3x2

((( NEED A REPLACEMENT!!! ))) Crossover:Phoenix GoldZPX2 ((( PM ME IF YOU CAN HELP!!! )))

EQ/Processing: ORIONConcept 97.2 (DEQ30)

Sub: SoundStream EXW-12 (EXACT 12) Modified


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Posted 19 August 2004 - 12:30 PM

I would be putting mids and tweeters in the kicks and mid-bass in the doors.

At decent sound levels (greater HF energy) you will get a surprisingly high stage.
If the stage height suffers at the sides, then try some ambient tweeters in the A-pillars or similar (inside door mirrors for eg) with a high-pass in the 10kHz region.
Usually "squares-up" the sound stage quite well.

#9 sil21jun

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Posted 19 August 2004 - 02:16 PM

What's HF energy?

#10 joms

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Posted 19 August 2004 - 03:57 PM

high frequency?

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Posted 19 August 2004 - 07:07 PM

Indeed it is :)

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Posted 22 August 2004 - 11:02 AM

bump

#13 sil21jun

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 06:07 PM

Sorry to bring this old thread back, but just wondering if you had placed your mid at your dash...

#14 joms

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 07:16 PM

Nope. i havent as im still undecided. However as of now im leaning towards placing both the mids and tweets in the kickpanels. if stage height is too low, i might add an ambient tweeter on the a-pillars

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Posted 14 September 2004 - 07:57 PM

yeah that's what I am suffering now.. sound stage too low.. maybe because I angled my too much on axis..

Anyway, I did some "test aiming" with a DIY temp box to hold the mid and tweeter. Best place I found, in my car and my liking, is at the base of the A-pillar. Firing across about the same contour of the windscreen, so its not direct line of sight. Sound stage is bloody high! hehe and the clarity boosted. The only bad thing I noticed, felt was the cut off behind the box. i.e it doesn't give have a wide stage as were in the kick. So what to compromise?

I tried putting mid at kick and tweeter at A-pillar. Stage high was ok but seperation was very obvious. So that's a no go for me.

I am definitely going to try the dash/a-pillar placement soon.

Maybe you would like to respond to my post here

Thanks,
Ray





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