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[0{noidea}0]

Well, this splits have been used by the Top 5 Competitor in the Final IASCA comp.

I am really excited to test them out. But sadly have to wait till next week b/c the car will send to the shop doing a custom Pod.

I really can't wait to hear it !

[fuddbutter]

mmmmm iridiums

[0{noidea}0]

PER10D said:

how much do these retail for noidea?

i'm not too sure buddy...even the iridium 2 way is retail for $1499 so the 3 way i would expect over $1800.

If u interested the split then let me know...i will work out a price for you.

Thanks

Sigmeister said:

Sorry guys, couldn't help myself.
the Utopias:

Utopia's ? Huh...Not my cup of tea !!!

[Geoff B]

I will say one thing the DLS sound so much better run active then through there passives to me.

[Mobi]

@nThOnY said:

Are you serious?

yes, i'm serious. haven't you seen the dls ads? i think it was also on ca&e mag a while back.

[Slider]

PER10D said:

how much do these retail for noidea?

Iridium 6.2 (6.5" 2-WAY set) $1,499
Iridium 6.3 (6.5" 3-WAY set) $1,799

Iridium 8.2 (8.0" 2-WAY set) $1,699
Iridium 8.3 (8.0" 3-WAY set) $1,999

i'm pretty sure thats the RRP's

[honour77]

The iridiums are not built by DLS, they outsource the drivers from morel(which makes fantastic car audio speakers i might add). Aside from minor cosmetic differences, they are virtually identical to morel equivalents i.e. the HCW midbass, CDM54 mid and i think MT-22 tweeter. I might have got the parts wrong but i'm very sure about the links to morel. This was mentioned by Scott Buwalda somewhere, if anyone doesnt already know him, he's a world champion IASCA competitor who is fully sponsored by DLS and is also a DLS dealer. Of course, he sells morels as well.

Cheers

[DJ2NV]

Go Israel!!!

[Marc ♫]

And polished magnet does what exactly to the sound quality ?

I would rather pay for R&D than pretty colours and flashy logos and packaging myself.

[honour77]

funnyt this thread came up again...i recently came across some info in some other forums. I cant verify this, but apparently DLS is not being very ethical. DLS speakers are no longer made by morel. They used to be made by morel, but after a while DLS stopped contracting morel and imitated the morel-made ones in china instead. The current iridiums are china-made products, intentional copies of the ones morel used to make for DLS. Probably to save costs.

Did someone say something about these speakers not having a cast basket? That means its stamped steel? Marc, i agree with you to some extent, polished baskets dont do much for sound but as any speaker lover will tell you, cast baskets are a MUST for any high end speaker, to eliminate resonances, and probably some other benefits i am not fully aware off. Pick up a driver with a cast basket and the difference you feel in terms of strength and weight is huge when compared to stamped baskets. In home audio, only the most cheapskate of speakers use stamped baskets. If DLS does in fact use stamped steel, i am quite disturbed. Not so much because of the fact that its stamped steel, but if a speaker manufacturer can be such a penny pincher with the frame, where else do you think they cut corners. Especially since the speaker is not exactly cheap!

[Mr_Bob]

since posting my comment about the baskets, i've learnt alot more about the reputation of these drivers, the iridiums are "world-class" and although the basket isn't the prettiest, it doesn't adversely affect the sound.
there's a number of very sucessful IASCA competitors using these components...

[fuddbutter]

i wonder where you heard that from :S if it is from where i belive it is i doubt it is reliable.

as long as the basket is designed properly a stamped basket will be fine.
but anything fancy on the back is useless, unless you making a nice glass display board for home to show them off.
once there mounted you have many years of never seeing them!

[honour77]

From JBL Home Audio Section (http://www.jbl.com/home/product_support/gl...sary.asp?Char=D)

"Cast baskets are much stronger than stamped steel and allow for tighter production tolerances and precise driver operation under even the most demanding situations."

From http://ldsg.snippets.org/appdx-b.php3 (DIY Speaker Resource):

"The frame of a cone-type driver is called the basket or (not surprisingly) the frame. Aside from simply supporting the structure of the driver, the basket design is critical in allowing the back wave from the to cone to escape into the enclosure. Another important characteristic of the basket design is that it not have any mechanical resonances within the driver's passband. Many DIY'ers apply some sort of damping material to their baskets to minimize coloration due to basket resonance. The final consideration is dimensional stability - the basket should be rigid enough to withstand normal operation and handling without deforming. Two types of baskets are in common usage:

Cast aluminum or magnesium baskets are more expensive, but generally regarded as superior. One primary benefit is that the thick cross sections and thermal conductivity of the metal help dissipate VC heat more readily. Resonances are usually (but not always!) above the working range of most cone drivers. Where it especially shines is in its structural integrity and rigidity. Cast materials don't bend. If subjected to enough force, they'll break, but never bend.

Stamped steel baskets are considerably less expensive to produce than cast aluminum baskets. Their physical properties are, however, inferior in almost every way. They tend to have lower frequency resonances and they can be bent during shipment or by careless handling. Another problem with stamped steel baskets is that, since they're fabricated from a single sheet of sheet steel, they can't have the variable thickness which contributes to a cast basket's rigidity and physical openness. A side effect of this is that if you build in sufficient structural support, more of the back wave of the cone will be blocked. For stamped steel baskets done right, also check out Morel's line of woofers and mid/bass drivers, as noted in Section 2."

I sure hope morel still makes DLS speakers though i doubt it In case anyone is wondering, morel drivers with stamped frames have a very unique way of desgining the basket, there are round holes all around the frame which allow the back wave to escape and yet maintain good structural integrity.

From tweeter.com (http://www.tweeter.com/sm-speakers--bg-1226137.html):

"The basket is the metal frame that supports the different parts of the speaker. Without a basket, the speaker would literally fall apart. But the basket can affect your speaker's performance as well. The stiffer the basket, the more consistently clear the sound will be, even when playing really loud. And the thicker the basket is, the better. Thick baskets will help dissipate heat better than thin baskets will. When a basket is made, it is made either a cast or a stamped basket. These are simply two different ways to shape the metal into the finished product. Invariably, a cast basket will always perform better than a stamped one"

From "How To! GoodSound" FAQ (http://www.goodsound.com/howto/2001_06_01.htm):

"In upscale loudspeakers, you will often see a reference to die-cast driver chassis (generally made from aluminum or magnesium). If a loudspeaker spec sheet lists a die-cast chassis, it's a sign of quality. It's cheaper to stamp a less rigid chassis from thin steel than to cast a thicker one from a mold. With modern production techniques, some manufacturers are now using synthetic resins for their driver chassis"

Bobby_Digital said:

i wonder where you heard that from :S  if it is from where i belive it is i doubt it is reliable.

as long as the basket is designed properly a stamped basket will be fine.
but anything fancy on the back is useless, unless you making a nice glass display board for home to show them off.
once there mounted you have many years of never seeing them!

Pardon me for saying this, but who are you to make assumptions about how well you know me? What in gods name makes you think you can predict where i get my information from? if you're assuming i read it off some other guy on this forum, think again. I surf proper car audio forums all over the world. I surf CAA the least of all of them

Second point, cast baskets are not about cosmetics. Again, where did you get this assumption? Did i even allude to this anywhere in my posts that cast baskets are better simply because they look better?

In all fairness, before making silly assumptions why not get on the web and do some research before shooting your mouth off about how cast baskets are only about cosmetics and how well you think you know me. I dont mind having a nice 2 way *debate* about cast vs stamped baskets but if you post when you obviously dont know what you're talking about, then you arent contributing to the discussion very much are you?

[Sonic Nirvana]

For mine the DLS car using the 8" 3 way Iridiums was the best sound in the mobile area at CES this year (World Champ IASCA Street Pro 601+ I believe).

Whatever the means of achieving the result (where/who/materials/finish etc), it makes quality sound, no risk.

[fuddbutter]

???? WTF!!!

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Pardon me for saying this, but who are you to make assumptions about how well you know me? What in gods name makes you think you can predict where i get my information from? if you're assuming i read it off some other guy on this forum, think again. I surf proper car audio forums all over the world. I surf CAA the least of all of them

1: where did you hear it then?? please tell me o'wise one..
and your telling me not to assume when you assume yourself? :S

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Second point, cast baskets are not about cosmetics. Again, where did you get this assumption? Did i even allude to this anywhere in my posts that cast baskets are better simply because they look better?

2: re-read my post...
did i make any reference to you in it?
you answered your own question in it (morel use pressed steel, DLS, Rainbow do too. want me to go on?) do some reaserch of your own.

3: and i love this

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In all fairness, before making silly assumptions why not get on the web and do some research before shooting your mouth off about how cast baskets are only about cosmetics and how well you think you know me. I dont mind having a nice 2 way *debate* about cast vs stamped baskets but if you post when you obviously dont know what you're talking about, then you arent contributing to the discussion very much are you

where did i say i know you? (from you post you sound like a newb who know's how to google and use's sony speakers. how much real life testing have YOU! done?)
how much time do i spend on the net looking at, reading about, helping out. let's try over 10 hours a day! .

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I dont mind having a nice 2 way *debate* about cast vs stamped baskets but if you post when you obviously dont know what you're talking about, then you arent contributing to the discussion very much are you

hahaha sorry had to quote that again



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