Guys, i'm not sure if there is any discussions about this subject before. I'm planning to get a set of Horn. However as I'm not really familiar with horns, i need your opinion. I'm not sure about the prices for those horns but I'm planning to spend around AUD1500. I heard that ID CD2Comp is around that price. I'm not so sure about the USD horn. I think it was USD BC300.
Which horn has the best staging and imaging?
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Image Dynamics HLCD vs USD Wave Guides vs Veritas Accu Wave
Started by heimerich, Nov 22 2004 08:22 PM
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Posted 22 November 2004 - 09:12 PM
I've seen those USD Waveguides on ebay for $120 and I THINK that no one wanted them...and the price was $120
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 08:42 AM
The ID HLCD-2 Comps retail in oz for $2000 (that's the price on the FHRX price list). I don't know whether there would be many people out there that have owned one of those horns let alone heard them back to back!!!
Marc owns the Veritas and is in the process of installing and tuning at the mo - having said that he swears by them.
I own the ID HLCD-2 Comps but as yet am having enough trouble trying to fit them in the car I havn't gotten close to tuning etc.
From what I remember of when I was looking around the veritas etc (not sure if this was the case because of the particular driver that was attached) were alot more than your budget of $1500. But Marc will be able to tell you how much he picked his up for.
From memory the HLCD-2 Comps don't come in the "mini-horn" package so I hope you have alot of room!!! Good luck
Marc owns the Veritas and is in the process of installing and tuning at the mo - having said that he swears by them.
I own the ID HLCD-2 Comps but as yet am having enough trouble trying to fit them in the car I havn't gotten close to tuning etc.
From what I remember of when I was looking around the veritas etc (not sure if this was the case because of the particular driver that was attached) were alot more than your budget of $1500. But Marc will be able to tell you how much he picked his up for.
From memory the HLCD-2 Comps don't come in the "mini-horn" package so I hope you have alot of room!!! Good luck
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 10:34 AM
CD2COMP do come in mini horn form 
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 10:57 AM
Yeah? Well that is good news for everyone other than me who bought the big (and they are enormous) ones!!!
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 11:14 AM
They are listed on the Fhrx's ID RRP list.
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 11:37 AM
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I used to have the USD BC300 in my car. I was having alot of problem to get the imaging and staging right. I was about to give up with this horn then I decided to install a set of tweeter (Diva Swan tweeter if you ever heard of it) just to help the imaging and staging. It took me 3 days and finally I have the imaging and staging that i want. Maybe you want to try this trick.
I've spoken to Kit (www.e-kittan.com) if you know him. He has a set of CD2 Comp HLCD in his car. He won the encouragement throphy last year in one the the melbourne show. He said that the CD2 Comp has the best body over the other horns. So I might get myself a set of HLCD2 Comp MH (Mini Horn) as I had huge problem when i'm installing the USD Horn...
USD Audio release their new set of horn. The driver using the berylium material (I have no idea what is that... maybe they discover a new material while they were travelling to MARS... LOL ) The retail is USD6995... The driver is around 8 pounds... close to 3-4kg... i am wondering how is the USD6995 worth of horn sounds like...
I used to have the USD BC300 in my car. I was having alot of problem to get the imaging and staging right. I was about to give up with this horn then I decided to install a set of tweeter (Diva Swan tweeter if you ever heard of it) just to help the imaging and staging. It took me 3 days and finally I have the imaging and staging that i want. Maybe you want to try this trick.
I've spoken to Kit (www.e-kittan.com) if you know him. He has a set of CD2 Comp HLCD in his car. He won the encouragement throphy last year in one the the melbourne show. He said that the CD2 Comp has the best body over the other horns. So I might get myself a set of HLCD2 Comp MH (Mini Horn) as I had huge problem when i'm installing the USD Horn...
USD Audio release their new set of horn. The driver using the berylium material (I have no idea what is that... maybe they discover a new material while they were travelling to MARS... LOL ) The retail is USD6995... The driver is around 8 pounds... close to 3-4kg... i am wondering how is the USD6995 worth of horn sounds like...
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 12:04 PM
I assume they sound very very nice.
Berylium is an aerospace alloy, it is a copper color (I believe it is copper based too)
and it is also used in the manufacture of golf equipment. (Ping golf clubs pioneered the use of Berylium outside the aerospace industry)
Berylium is an aerospace alloy, it is a copper color (I believe it is copper based too)
and it is also used in the manufacture of golf equipment. (Ping golf clubs pioneered the use of Berylium outside the aerospace industry)
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 01:51 PM
Dang!!!, but I'm wondering what makes it USD6995... hahahaha...
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 06:57 PM
beryllium is what focal use for the tweeter in their high end utopia Be range
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 10:56 PM
the usd beryllium super A's are near on $7k in price and there 14lb in weight.
i have usd d2 horns which arn't a diagphram, but i've just put them back into my car from a set of 2" titaniums cause they sound better! go figure
there are actually only 3 compression driver manufacurers in the world, so it all comes down to flare design and application in the car
some of usd and ID both use cts drivers on there lower models, veritas only have diagphram but the ones that cost $1500 i can buy the motors for $100 from an american company called parts express but not the alluminium horns
i have usd d2 horns which arn't a diagphram, but i've just put them back into my car from a set of 2" titaniums cause they sound better! go figure
there are actually only 3 compression driver manufacurers in the world, so it all comes down to flare design and application in the car
some of usd and ID both use cts drivers on there lower models, veritas only have diagphram but the ones that cost $1500 i can buy the motors for $100 from an american company called parts express but not the alluminium horns
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 10:59 PM
LOL, it is probably the packaging it comes in Henry!
Cheers for the advice on raising the sound stage. As yet I am doing work just trying to fit the units, rather than fiddling with them and tuning etc...I am sure it will be a long process. But your thoughts on the low stage height have mirrored other comments I have heard.
The particular guy that I bought my ID's off was a competitor in the US and he swore by the ID's over all the other horns he had used. He was only selling them as he was getting out of the scene etc. They have a soft compound throat rather than a metal or alloy which means that you don't necessarily have to deaden them. That said Marc pointed out that he didn't notice the difference between his undeadened and deadened Veritas so the necessity behind doing so is questionable.
Mini-horns are deffinately the way to go dude!!!! I can't stress that enough. I own a 1986 Ford Fairmont which has one of the widest driver and passenger areas under the dash I have seen. The horns are about 2" wider!!! The only reason i didn't get the mini's was because the other competitor gave me a great deal but now that I come to the installation with all the money that I have and will spend on fitting these big bastards in I don't know if I will have ended up saving much!
Cheers for the advice on raising the sound stage. As yet I am doing work just trying to fit the units, rather than fiddling with them and tuning etc...I am sure it will be a long process. But your thoughts on the low stage height have mirrored other comments I have heard.
The particular guy that I bought my ID's off was a competitor in the US and he swore by the ID's over all the other horns he had used. He was only selling them as he was getting out of the scene etc. They have a soft compound throat rather than a metal or alloy which means that you don't necessarily have to deaden them. That said Marc pointed out that he didn't notice the difference between his undeadened and deadened Veritas so the necessity behind doing so is questionable.
Mini-horns are deffinately the way to go dude!!!! I can't stress that enough. I own a 1986 Ford Fairmont which has one of the widest driver and passenger areas under the dash I have seen. The horns are about 2" wider!!! The only reason i didn't get the mini's was because the other competitor gave me a great deal but now that I come to the installation with all the money that I have and will spend on fitting these big bastards in I don't know if I will have ended up saving much!
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Posted 24 November 2004 - 04:56 AM
The USD Waveguides have long been the in-car reference speakers at U.S. magazine Car Audio & Electronics and I note they have recently upgraded to the latest model.
It is also worth noting that the "car" in question is Eric Holdaway's Ford F-350 truck! It is good to see that his fuel bill gets him at least the benefit of running horns....
I have no noubt at all that horns are ultimately the way to go for imaging in cars, although the installation issues are typically MAJOR.
The I.D. CD2 Comp's are terrific things, installed properly, and if you can find a way, I would go with them, especially at the price compared with the alternatives.
They would be my personal choice for putting a high-end "go for it" system together if I ever have a car that I could fit them into......
As a "by the by", Yamaha have been using berylium-deposited domes in home and pro audio since 1980, so there is nothing new under the sun....
It is also worth noting that the "car" in question is Eric Holdaway's Ford F-350 truck! It is good to see that his fuel bill gets him at least the benefit of running horns....
I have no noubt at all that horns are ultimately the way to go for imaging in cars, although the installation issues are typically MAJOR.
The I.D. CD2 Comp's are terrific things, installed properly, and if you can find a way, I would go with them, especially at the price compared with the alternatives.
They would be my personal choice for putting a high-end "go for it" system together if I ever have a car that I could fit them into......
As a "by the by", Yamaha have been using berylium-deposited domes in home and pro audio since 1980, so there is nothing new under the sun....
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Posted 24 November 2004 - 05:56 PM
seems that the Image Dynamics CD2 Comp is the way to go... i've heard lots of good review about the CD2... is there any differences between the mini horn and normal size horn in terms of the imaging, staging and sound quality? As I used to have the USD horn, i found out that the USD is too bright and hush... is that the characteristics of all horns or only certain brand? Whatabout the CD2 Comp?
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Posted 26 November 2004 - 04:22 PM
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Reply to >WAYCON<
USD Audio release their new set of horn. The driver using the berylium material (I have no idea what is that... maybe they discover a new material while they were travelling to MARS... LOL ) The retail is USD6995... The driver is around 8 pounds... close to 3-4kg... i am wondering how is the USD6995 worth of horn sounds like...
USD Audio release their new set of horn. The driver using the berylium material (I have no idea what is that... maybe they discover a new material while they were travelling to MARS... LOL ) The retail is USD6995... The driver is around 8 pounds... close to 3-4kg... i am wondering how is the USD6995 worth of horn sounds like...
Its actually nothing new:) Berylium diaphram has been around for many years in Pro Sound.
Sounds to me they are using the Pioneer TAD drivers. $6995 sounds a bit too high for just changing magnet labels?
Pioneer has been using this material for well over 10 years from what I personally know.
The cool thing would be to use Neo magnet instead of bulky cobalt magnet.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/prod...76_4213,00.html
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