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[tuneman]

radian make cheap models as well, infact there basic model is the same one that every other brand uses that can be bought for $30US from parts express

theres actually like only 3 compression driver manufactures in the world, they all just put there own name on them! but when it cum's to the top end stuff the major brand companies will get them custom made to there specs, so the can charge huge money for them also some of these expensive ones have been around in proffesional PA for years before they were used in car's.

[angelo kanci]

tuneman said:

radian make cheap models as well, infact there basic model is the same one that every other brand uses that can be bought for $30US from parts express

theres actually like only 3 compression driver manufactures in the world, they all just put there own name on them! but when it cum's to the top end stuff the major brand companies will get them custom made to there specs, so the can charge huge money for them also some of these expensive ones have been around in proffesional PA for years before they were used in car's.

Correct ! The best i have ever hear are 40 years old Altec Lansing

angelo kanci said:

Correct ! The best i have ever hear are 40 years old Altec Lansing

The pioneer TAD are exceptional but $25,000 for a pair.

[Tiger]

At the end of the day, you can't complain with any of the above in regards to imaging as opposed to 2 or 3 way component setups?
Providing you link up the horns to a solid midbass driver, either an 8" or 9", you should "hit the spot" with imaging.
True to a point?

[angelo kanci]

When l first started using horns they were the USD . No other horn was available. They were hard to tune. I didn't understand them. l approached Autosound 2000 as they had sold a few of them and was told that they would reinbuse me with the NEW scientifically developed Veritas. They told me to run over the USD AND SMASH them and not to sell them. The Veritas has a few horn design theorys modelled into them. They also developed a bigger entry which would allow a bigger driver to be added so as to lower the cross over point VERY IMPORTANT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEN USING HORNS. And thats what l have 4 inch diagrams ! The bigger the driver the better as long as the phase plug is designed properly so as to extend beyond 20,000 hz. Yes you can use better diagrams berylium even diamond but not for the faint hearted.
Image. D has a similar design BUT i would not use the mini as the cross over point is to high due to the lack of loading on the driver.

[Maz]

I use the Image dynamics minihorns and they play well down to about 1khz. not much below this point though.

Im looking into upgrading them though to some bigger horns that play down to 600hz or so.

[angelo kanci]

Maz said:

I use the Image dynamics minihorns and they play well down to about 1khz. not much below this point though.

Im looking into upgrading them though to some bigger horns that play down to 600hz or so.

Correct ! The mouth of the horn has to be big so as to effectively couple to the driver. BUT even then the area of the commercially available CAR HORNS will only dictate a crossover around 600 hz , they are relatively small compared to studio or PA HORNS . The only effective way of crossing over lower is to use a very LARGE driver that can handle more power. :thumb:

[TRU Tech]

Mr_Bob said:

has anyone tried mounting the horn so that the horn throat exists through where the windscreen demister vents are?
(making a bigger hole to suit the horn throat)
not sure how the reflections off the windscreen would affect the output, but it'd have great height, depth and width

Yes, that has been done about 10 or 12 years ago but you would need to re-shape your entire dash. Since typical dash is not symetrical.

And as for depth and height? not always. One of the best systems I've heard was in 1991,1993 and 1996. It was Speakerworks Grand national, Harry Kumura's Acura Legend, Todd Matsubara's Ford thunderbird SC, Earl Wills Chevy Impala, Femi Agoke (Image Dynamics) Pontiac Grand Prix. Which BTW, had the Pioneer TAD drivers with custom flare and was positioned above the steering wheel.

Last but not least, Eric Stevens (Image Dynamics founder) Buick Sabre.

From top of my head, that should be it I think:)

[angelo kanci]

Nah you forgot the best 2ND BEST MARK ELDERIDGE.
and the KING OF ALLLLLLLLLL TIMEEEEEEEE
RICHARD CLARKE ( TOTALLY REVAMPED SPEAKER WORKS CAR BUICK ).
IS IT A COINCIDENCE that the best cars of all time had horns ????????
I DON'T THINK SO

[Tiger]

Dunno if this is hijacking the thread or not, but it is the horn thread...
ID Horns... To match a CD2COMP Horn & Compression Driver to the IDV.3 8" subwoofer, what crossover would you use? Would it be better to run the drivers active? How much power WOULD you give such drivers?

And I hear that horns may suffer from resonance... what can be done to overcome this?

[Maz]

30-50wrms to the horns.
150-250wrms to the 8inchers

Definitely best to run it active

[Tiger]

Cool cool. Maz, you have the mini horns in your car...
How much room do you have left under the dash? And what side does the compression driver sit on in the drivers section and front passenger section?