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[NUTTTR]

angelo kanci said:

Not bad piece. BUT STILL RCA'S NOT BALANCED, LOW OUT PUTS 2 VOLTS. Don't quote input/ output impedances , AREN'T PERFECT Q EQUALISER ETC, ETC, ETC . STILL missing the point in my language.
Are the power supplys isolated I DON'T THINK SO.
Getting into it you start to see the short comings  BUT if you like it so be it.
I'm impressed when l see
HIGH OUTPUTS
BALANCED
FULLY ISOLATED POWER SUPPLIES
HIGH INPUT IMPEADANCE
LOW OUTPUT IMPEDANCE < 4 OHMS
PERFECT Q ( EQUALISER )
PERFECT PHASE ( XOVER )
AD AND DA
see these are the things to consider THESE SPEC ARE MISSING !!!!!!!!!!

I did have the specs somewhere... I'll have to look - the da and ad's are all quite good, burr-brown naturally, 24bit DA's - 3 of them - i can't remember the input impedance, but it was above 10k from memory (???)... Isolated power supply, pretty much... not fully isolated, but it is, totally separate circuitry/board
The shortcomings outweigh everything else... it's so adjustable and for the price, nothing beats it....
Aaron

[TRU Tech]

angelo kanci said:

Not bad piece. BUT STILL RCA'S NOT BALANCED, LOW OUT PUTS 2 VOLTS. Don't quote input/ output impedances , AREN'T PERFECT Q EQUALISER ETC, ETC, ETC . STILL missing the point in my language.

Audio Control or Orion are just the same. None of them have any line driver capability. If you read careful, they are no more than a Level Matcher.

angelo kancil said:

Are the power supplys isolated I DON'T THINK SO.
          Getting into it you start to see the short comings  BUT if you like it so be it.
I'm impressed when l see

The PS are most defenietly isolated. Balanced line is really no big deal. If the PS is well isolated, then you don't need a balanced outputs.

Balanced outputs were created in Pro Industry to isolate noise when running several 100 metes of signal wires. Balace line was not created to improve sound quality. As matter a fact, it make the high freq a bit more edgy and raw. Is also another reason why you will virtually will not see any balanced line in Home audio.

angelo kancil said:

HIGH OUTPUTS
          BALANCED
          FULLY ISOLATED POWER SUPPLIES
          HIGH INPUT IMPEADANCE
          LOW OUTPUT IMPEDANCE < 4 OHMS
          PERFECT Q ( EQUALISER )
          PERFECT PHASE ( XOVER )
          AD AND DA
see these are the things to consider THESE SPEC ARE MISSING !!!!!!!!!!

That just get you in the ball park. It really does not tell you how it will sound or perform. Specs are really for marketing. Or else, Krell and McIntosh would and should of gone bankrupt a long time ago.

IMO, you can't qualify a product by it's Quantification (Numbers).

I mean, you could have a EQ with best flexibility and with top notch Op-Amp IC that can sound really bad because the company could of cut corners and used 30% tolerance Potentiometer vs. 10%.

As for the Orion DEQ? I'm not 100% sure but I'm betting it's already been re-engineered to make them cheaper. Don't get confused when the original DEQ was designed by Orion Industries in Tempe Arizona. Now, it's made offshore. Did they go offshore to make them better? equal? or to just shave cost and market the snot out of the product?

In my eyes, Orion does not exhist. It just happens now that a company is calling themselves Orion.

Let's think, where does Orion "Industries" fit into Directed Electronics "Incorporated"? I sure don't see the Orion building anymore. Just a "Brand" mixed in with others now. Pretty sad actually.

BTW, Potentiometer is the biggest cost factor in any analog processor. Some very popular processor company uses...believe it or not about $0.30 PS.

[APS]

Tru Tech would you please stop bagging other companies.

It appears that you bag everything else but your own, it is so ****ing annoying.

Remember if your company goes ass up and then it has to outsource its product to make it affordable than i would like to ask you where you will fit in.

People here asked the question which EQ to go for, we dont need a history lesson of where the company was or where its going or where it has gone.

[ultim8DTM5]

highimpact said:

Tru Tech would you please stop bagging other companies.

It appears that you bag everything else but your own, it is so ****ing annoying.

Remember if your company goes ass up and then it has to outsource its product to make it affordable than i would like to ask you where you will fit in.

People here asked the question which EQ to go for, we dont need a history lesson of where the company was or where its going or where it has gone.

If you are a moderator, moderate.
If not, let the discussion evolve. The thread has moved past individual processors to what a processor should have and what it should be able to do.

You may not need a history lesson but others like myself may find it interesting and educational. For example if you know a product by reputation and wish to purchase a brand new unit you would like to know if it's performance mirrors it's fabled reputation- or if it still is exactly the same product or not!

[TRU Tech]

Sorry that you feel that way.

I did post very objectively or can you dispute history?

Then let's think, without history, what makes ORION any different that any other company?:confused:

I mean what made Orion, Orion? Richard LeMay, Sam Taylor, Richard Quaz, Jeff Green, Paul Sonona, Mark Busier, Kevin Holanda and Dean Taylor.

Now, with Audio Control, it's still the same crew, true to the core; Tom Walker (founder and still owns the company)!

Alto Mobile; Taiwan based company that's been in Pro Industry for over 15 years. The engineer is very well respected (he was the the man behind the original Lanzar Opti-Drives) not to get mixed up with current made products.

[Blackrazor]

Meh, Johns not bagging other companies, just being objective, thats all good... it irks me MORE when companies hide behind the facade of what they once were, and then when people point that fact out, others grump and whine at them for daring to say it how it is...

BTW John, shouldnt you be asleep? Its some ungodly hour of the morning over there isnt it? I means its 2:30am in LA and 5:30am in NY :?

[NUTTTR]

Blackrazor said:

Meh, Johns not bagging other companies, just being objective, thats all good... it irks me MORE when companies hide behind the facade of what they once were, and then when people point that fact out, others grump and whine at them for daring to say it how it is...

BTW John, shouldnt you be asleep? Its some ungodly hour of the morning over there isnt it? I means its 2:30am in LA and 5:30am in NY :?

I'm with you on this...
I don't care about "bagging" another company if it's truth... when it's truth, it's facts, not bagging... so there you go!
I see nothing wrong with any of this, so yeah
I put up that the alto processors are surprisingly good, value for money is unreal...

Aaron

[angelo kanci]

NUTTTR said:

I'm with you on this...
I don't care about "bagging" another company if it's truth... when it's truth, it's facts, not bagging... so there you go!
I see nothing wrong with any of this, so yeah  
I put up that the alto processors are surprisingly good, value for money is unreal...

Aaron

And l do agree with you.
ONLY the things l quoted ARE only starting specs and should have if engenierred properly. Let your ears be the tester.

NUTTTR said:

I did have the specs somewhere... I'll have to look - the da and ad's are all quite good, burr-brown naturally, 24bit DA's - 3 of them - i can't remember the input impedance, but it was above 10k from memory (???)... Isolated power supply, pretty much... not fully isolated, but it is, totally separate circuitry/board
The shortcomings outweigh everything else... it's so adjustable and for the price, nothing beats it....
Aaron

Still not fully isolated still has a ground ref. NO GOOD in this MAJOR aspect.If it gives you what you want, excellent !
Just rememder my Apogee is ALL THAT I QUOTED and $1600. Has been around for 20 years and services 80% of the recording studios in the states. The likes of Michael.j Madonna etc MUST be happy with the conversion ?