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[Cyberpunky]

ar3nbe, on Oct 14 2007, 01:54 PM, said:

All the NSW guys went done there knowing that all you other guys seem to underjudge cars from up here. Has happned in the past, and im sure, will happen again.

Not taking anything away from those to won classes, or lost them. Im just saying, for whatever reason, a person from NSW never, wins :S......



.......For someone who is ment to be head of this organisation, you have seemed to take a very rude tone on many of your recent posts ? Are you hiding something ?

If you read what i wrote, I simply said no one from NSW wins. When did i say we were judged worse, or harshly ?

Perhaps you should wake up to yourself and read what people write my friend.

Huh! um when you said *all you other guys seem to underjudge...* you ARE saying we(nsw) were judged worse, or harshly and stating it cause of where your from...

Do you understand english ?

what is all this crap really about...at first its how can the most expensive system, from the most expereinced guy ie marty not win...then when its pointed out my systems worth more and i have more experience...its a conspiracy against nsw ??

ffs grow some balls and stop carrying on like 13 yo school girls... I would say your bad losers but you guys who are saying this ,werent even in the class in question and most of you werent even there. All the nsw guys who listened to my car, seemed to think it sounded ok. Anyway, way to ruin what had been a great weekend for me and take the gloss off what I have acheived.
nice one
cyberpunky

[TRD1JeeZy]

ar3nbe, on Oct 14 2007, 09:54 PM, said:

All the NSW guys went done there knowing that all you other guys seem to underjudge cars from up here. Has happned in the past, and im sure, will happen again.

Not taking anything away from those to won classes, or lost them. Im just saying, for whatever reason, a person from NSW never, wins :S

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ar3nbe Posted Today, 10:03 PM
If you read what i wrote, I simply said no one from NSW wins. When did i say we were judged worse, or harshly ?

Perhaps you should wake up to yourself and read what people write my friend.

perhaps you may wanna read what you wrote????

[ar3nbe]

Omg, wait for it, give me an english lesson. Let me highlight something in bold, and perhaps you can reread it.

All the NSW guys went done there knowing that all you other guys seem to underjudge cars from up here. Has happned in the past, and im sure, will happen again.

It, and here is that word again, seems like people from NSW are judged differently.

Time to look up the word seem. Quick stop to dictionary.com brings up this meaning. To appear to be, feel, do, etc

So, it appears something is going on here, but never once do i say there is any conspiracy, or any foul doing by any of the judges or other entrants.

My words were chosen on purpose, do not imply things that I have not written.

So, what did I intend to say in my first post before everyone else decided to get defensive, call us (nsw) children, and sore lossers (which is in itself a very childish comment). Nobody has won from NSW. So, what can we take from this. Perhaps out refrence just isnt as high as other states, or perhaps the different air pressure effects our tunning, :S. Who knows, but im sure we can ALL take something out of this, and improve our systems.

[HISPL]

trism, on Oct 14 2007, 11:48 AM, said:

i know.... its surprising how a Focal Be 3 way front end, dual monitor amps and a HXD2 can come a clear 10 points behind the next placed car... as well as being 40 points down on what he normally scores...

I am going to try my best to make this post as diplomatic as possible.

It could be a number of things, noise problems due to something simple like a faulty RCA lead or poor battery voltage (meaning the alt would have to work its ring off) a faulty piece of equipment, or that the car just didn't sound as good as the others in the category.

Marty was up against some very stiff competition too so congratulations to the guys that did well!

There are a lot of stores out there that have reputations for doing a certain std of work that may not actually be as good as they make out to be or the general consensus of the enthusiasts that worship them make out. (I use the term worship for want of a better one )

No offense to Marty, his work looks great. I have never had the opportunity to listen to it though.

I know some people that have some of the very best equipment available that have systems that sound awful, one of them is an owner installation and the other is an install done by a high end store. (And I'm sure there are others out there too)

Some stores/installers too have certain preferences and ways of tuning systems that might not be compatible with judges, I know one store in particular that has a loyal customer base and that store turns out systems that I have found awful to listen too, now is this a bad thing? Possibly, but it also might mean that the customers are requesting the system to sound like this too or they go to this store because the store has a reputation for turning work out that way.

I'm very confident that Marty will find out the problems which meant his car scored poorly and rectify them, he seems like he is very professional and if he wants to compete in Pro SQ then he will do what it takes to improve.

Edited by HISPL, 15 October 2007 - 12:55 AM.

[Cyberpunky]

–verb (used without object)
1. to appear to be, feel, do, etc.: She seems better this morning.
2. to appear to one's own senses, mind, observation, judgment, etc.: It seems to me that someone is calling.
3. to appear to exist: There seems no need to go now.
4. to appear to be true, probable, or evident: It seems likely to rain.
5. to give the outward appearance of being or to pretend to be: He only seems friendly because he wants you to like him.
[Origin: 1150–1200; ME seme < ON sɶma to befit, beseem, deriv. of sɶmr fitting, seemly; akin to sōmi honor]

—Synonyms 4. Seem, appear, look refer to an outward aspect that may or may not be contrary to reality. Seem is applied to something that has an aspect of truth and probability: It seems warmer today. Appear suggests the giving of an impression that may be superficial or illusory: The house appears to be deserted. Look more vividly suggests the use of the eye (literally or figuratively) or the aspect as perceived by the eye: She looked very much frightened.

see the bits in bold ???



maybe you should choose your words even more carefully

If your going to use a dictionary then put full definition was my point.



__________________________________________________"All the NSW guys went done there knowing that all you other guys seem to underjudge cars from up here."
Any reasonable person would read what you wrote as saying *NSW guys went done(down?) there knowing that all you guys(you ppl:ie Vic judges)seem (to appear to be true, probable, or evident) underjudge ppl from up here (NSW). So your are in fact saying you cop a raw deal, you expected it and its *you other guys* fault. Maybe my comprehension of what you stated doesnt agree with what you intended but I guess thats my fault too.


You then go on to say *Not taking anything away from those to won classes, or lost them. Im just saying, for whatever reason, a person from NSW never, wins :S* well actually in the context of what you wrote above it is only fair and reasonable to read that as *I dont mean to take anything away from what happened but we cant win, and so in fact I am prepared to take something away from those who competed and am saying its rigged cause we(nsw) cant win. Im calling that sour grapes.


You later reply that your english is exemplary and its other ppls comprehension abilities that are lacking. I could point out the excessively poor grammar etc but the fact remains that what YOU wrote was inflamatory, prejudiced, misinformed, ignorant, and to be honest down right rude. Im sure you believe by inserting a *seem* there, you were exhonerated from all you STATED, but your not. You wrote it...deal with it, and feel free to apologise anytime AR3NBE. Idiots like you should either head back to school before using a keyboard or just learn to STFU
have a nice day

Edited by Cyberpunky, 15 October 2007 - 05:56 PM.

[Luke352]

I can say it wasnt just judges who commented on Marty's car, several people who listened to it along with some of the other cars in Pro Street, those people said they were actually disappointed with Marty's car they expected so much more of it and that quite a few of the Amateur cars they listened too sounded better. But I didn't personally listen to his car but I did listen to the the 1st and 2nd placing cars, and I can personally say those cars sounded amazing, DID ANY OF YOU HEAR THOSE CARS? Just like most people who listened to Alan's car said they knew it was going to win Am ST it was just a step above, just like Bruce and Simon's cars were in Pro St. Apparently Marty admitted anyway that his car sounds nowhere near as good as it should but he is having issues and he can't figure out what it is.


One comment I noticed above that really crapted me was regarding people not getting there usual Judges, thats the idea because if you did you have an immediate advantage since you got to tune for there ears all season vs people who have no idea how a particular judge likes things. A prime example, us Qld guys got in the NSW cars and went um is there a sub in this car and when the NSW guys got in our cars they were like whoa why so much subbass.


So I say guys were is your SPIRIT and PRIDE for CAA/MEA it's not all about the comp I came like 12th or 13th we didn't have a Qld judge and all the other stuff people have been bitching about, but who cares I had a great time and so did the guys I went with. Plus I got to see so many different new things to try in my own car and listen to some awesome cars Simon's/Pulse-R's car was the stand out for me, amazing detail but smooth and yet sharp when required and absolutely gob smacking amounts of dynamics.


Oh and thanks to everyone responsible for organising the event and thanks too all the guys well mostly VIC's who stayed at the same hotel as us for making us Qlders feel so welcome, I had and I can probably speak for the others we had a great time and part of that is thanks to you guys.

Edited by Luke352, 15 October 2007 - 01:44 AM.

[mooingchicken]

first off did you guys listen to half of the winning cars?

i listened to quite a few cars (from all states) as thats what i came to do and the social aspect aswell (but thats not the point). me as ash (arc_honda) went around together, as we picked the winner from am st, and top 2 from pro street. just by listening and going yer this rocks.

i was quite looking foward to hearing martys system, as its been raved about ALOT. and honestly to me i didnt live up the the hype (yes im sure ill get flamed for this, but i dont care). yes it was a nice system, but i can see why he didnt win after listening to the other cars.

there was only a few systems that put i smile on my face while listening to them. the tuning between states is varstly diffrent, i found 3/4 of the nsw cars to be very clinical, they were accurate, but lacked dynamics, and to me personaly were boring to listen to. i see now why u all complain that u need to turn your sub bass up after comps, as there was no impact from them (on that tune). the only nsw system that i would listen to daily was the one with supremos.


socialy it was a great weekend, i highly enjoyed meeting everone, defenatly will be up for next year!

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Oh and thanks to everyone responsible for organising the event and thanks too all the guys well mostly VIC's who stayed at the same hotel as us for making us Qlders feel so welcome, I had and I can probably speak for the others we had a great time and part of that is thanks to you guys.

Edited by mooingchicken, 15 October 2007 - 01:57 AM.

[Riley.]

ive just driven 16 and a bit hours to come home and find people bitching about finals.....ive only skimmed over a few posts but for people to come out and complain about the judging process

trism marty isnt the only one who scored lower than usual.....i was a good 16 points down on my last comp but you just have to cop these things on the chin.....its clear when you listen to the victorians cars (especially allans) that they do sound alot different to ours (queensland cars) and then the nsw cars are different again

lets not focus on the negatives (like the fact it takes us longer to get out of queensland than it does for everyone else to make thier entire journey)

oh yeah....how good was that weekend....cant wait till next year

its great to see everyone come togather to share a common interest....of drinking.....i mean car audio


edit: i just went and read through some of the initial posts and i must say im very disappointed in what some people have to say.....really if you had a real issue you would take it up in private

Edited by Riley., 15 October 2007 - 02:18 AM.

[arc]

I dont know wot all you NSW people are complaining about in my opinion NSW cars had no sub bass wot so ever, maybe if you all turned your sub level up abit you might have placed better.

Will post more latter gotta take mrs to work.


For all those who didnt go and a bitching wake up if you wernt there to listen to other cars and compare dont coment you got no idea wot your talking about. Maybe next yr you can all make the effort to go to finals...

[ROAD KILL]

I didnt listen to any other cars, but judging from previous PBs, many people on the day scored lower. You've all gotta remember that different judges like different things. NSW and QLD should be thanking MEA/CAASQ for allowing us the opportunity to hear feedback from unbias judges from different states. Wagga is meant to be fun...don't start being sore losers because one state seemed to bring from more trophies.

Riley, disappointed you didnt get a placing, and Geoff, well done on your placing.

Edited by Road Kill, 15 October 2007 - 08:19 AM.

[zion187reigneth]

Marc, on Oct 14 2007, 11:21 PM, said:

there are many others out there that know just as much, are just as talented, but don't have high profiles. Many of those in Pro Street this year

I know i should have come allong, my countanance and knowledge would have been a blessing to u all...............cors

[ar3nbe]

Cyberpunky, on Oct 15 2007, 01:16 AM, said:

–verb (used without object)
1. to appear to be, feel, do, etc.: She seems better this morning.
2. to appear to one's own senses, mind, observation, judgment, etc.: It seems to me that someone is calling.
3. to appear to exist: There seems no need to go now.
4. to appear to be true, probable, or evident: It seems likely to rain.
5. to give the outward appearance of being or to pretend to be: He only seems friendly because he wants you to like him.
[Origin: 1150–1200; ME seme < ON sɶma to befit, beseem, deriv. of sɶmr fitting, seemly; akin to sōmi honor]

—Synonyms 4. Seem, appear, look refer to an outward aspect that may or may not be contrary to reality. Seem is applied to something that has an aspect of truth and probability: It seems warmer today. Appear suggests the giving of an impression that may be superficial or illusory: The house appears to be deserted. Look more vividly suggests the use of the eye (literally or figuratively) or the aspect as perceived by the eye: She looked very much frightened.

see the bits in bold ???
maybe you should choose your words even more carefully

I choose my words for my intended meaning. If we were to play a definition game im sure I could rip apart everyones posts and make them imply things that were not originally intended.

Im going to say it again, congrats go the winners, and I hope everyone else can take something back from this event and use it to improve their systems.

Peace.

[~Spyne~]

lol @ corey...for once, i actually get the point of ur post mate - and yes, u should have come up, was an awesome weekend

3 points i would like to make:
1. if you weren't there, or you were but didnt listen to winners AND place-getters, then stop typing. you have nothing to base your opinions on
2. different states have different reference systems throughout the year, which means they are tuned completely differently to other states. this was clearly expressed by the scores achieved at wagga.
3. the judges for all classes are VERY good at what they do, and i am extemely confident in their ability to judge stereos WITHOUT bias

i am ecstatic with my (joint 2nd) 4th placing in am. st. i listened to alan's car (again), jono's and a few others from my class and can honestly say i was not too surprised by the results

same again for pro st. i listened to both simon's and marty's car and agree with the results there. unfortunately i didnt get to listen to bruce's, but based on other peoples comments (people whom i know share similar ideal's as me with regards to sq), i am not surprised he won

the point of it is though - WAGGA WAS A GREAT SOCIAL EVENT, AND A ROARING SUCCESS FOR CAA/MEA!!

BRING ON 2008

[MRVJ]

So...where is our judging sheets so we can see where we went wrong and improve for next year?

[mooingchicken]

there is no feedback from finals, you dont get judging sheet back...