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[Luke352]

muzzy66, on Aug 11 2008, 02:34 AM, said:

The AirCirc (at 30deg off axis)is only down by 2dB @ 17khz - that's a pretty impressive off-axis response by any measure.

You sure the H1 is better off axis then that?

You have your drivers totally mixed up, the Hiquphon "the matt" is referrring to is not the H1 "keepitreal" is referring to.

The Hiquphon they are referring to is this http://www.hiquphon.dk/page4.html

The H1 they are referring to is this http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/store/...p;productId=295

Edited by Luke352, 11 August 2008 - 10:40 AM.

[KickerCat]

YAY for XT19s....

[muzzy66]

Luke352, on Aug 11 2008, 12:38 AM, said:

You have your drivers totally mixed up, the Hiquphon "the matt" is referrring to is not the H1 "keepitreal" is referring to.

The Hiquphon they are referring to is this <a href="http://"http://www.hiquphon.dk/page4.html"" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.hiquphon.dk/page4.html" target="_blank">http://www.hiquphon.dk/page4.html</a></a>

Ahh makes sense now!

The Hiquphon looks very good on-axis, but there doesn't seem to be much there to show its response off axis.

Looks pretty good from what I can see though

Edited by muzzy66, 11 August 2008 - 05:18 PM.

[~thematt~]

Zaphs is a great resource for driver testing, though he doesnt currently have the off-axis response up there. Accurate to boot too. And he has a speal on offaxis response to, quoted below

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The importance of top octave response is highly overrated. It has absolutely nothing to do with sound quality, and everything to do with flexibility of placement. Simply, all it means is that you might want to toe larger drivers inwards. I say "might" because the usefulness of a response that's flat out to 20kHz is also overrated. While a peak at 10kHz is easily heard, (tape hiss anyone?) a few dB down at 10kHz is barely audible, and in some cases preferable. At the very top end, 15dB down at 20kHz is barely audible if at all. This is probably why many people don't mind tweeters like the Dayton RS28 or the many of the Morels, such as the MDT20. Dips in response at the extremes of audibility simply aren't very audible, even for those who still have clinically proven hearing out to 20kHz. (I'm good to about 17kHz in my old age)

www.zaphaudio.com/offaxis.html

that being said, he did have this to say on the Aircirc "off axis response is closer to normal for a 1" dome". With that statement alone, I'm fairly convinced that the 6600 isnt anything special in regards to rolloff.

And that link that Luke provided has the offaxis responses for the Hiq all the way down to 75-odd degrees.

[xwfalcon]

I found hiqs on speakerbits.com for $264 im pretty sure this will be for pair as the come as a matched pair, just not sure which one would better suit OW1 or OW2 im leaning towards OW2 but not sure . They are a fair bit cheaper to other stuff i was looking at so might give them a go.

[Luke352]

~thematt~, on Aug 11 2008, 05:48 PM, said:

And that link that Luke provided has the offaxis responses for the Hiq all the way down to 75-odd degrees.

It was Spyne but check the link at the bottom of page two, and if you read his comments the Hiq is only down 5-6db at 20khz at 60deg off axis.

[~Spyne~]

xwfalcon >
the hiq ow2 is considered by many to be the better of the two, but it also comes with a certain 'airy/ribbon' sound to it. some people love this, others find it too clinical and prefer to have some warmth to their treble
read a forum post somewhere recently where someone had used ow2 tweets in their kicks and simply couldnt get rid of some sibilance they were hearing - whether this was bad installation, bad eq/set-up, or just the speaker i dont know, but i have always liked the sound of the ow2...havent heard the ow1 (or ow3 or ow4 for that matter) to compare against though.

what i do know is that it might be worth contacting Oskar directly through the hiquphon site and see what price he can give you - i know he will deliver straight to your door in 99% of cases (even international)
i also know the ow3 is being discontinued, and the new ow4 is out and apparently is very good - building on the ow1 and ow3 designs. it also comes at ~$50 extra/pair

[~thematt~]

xwfalcon, on Aug 11 2008, 05:06 PM, said:

I found hiqs on speakerbits.com for $264 im pretty sure this will be for pair as the come as a matched pair, just not sure which one would better suit OW1 or OW2 im leaning towards OW2 but not sure . They are a fair bit cheaper to other stuff i was looking at so might give them a go.

Thats each mate. I've also contacted Oskar before I got my ribbons, and they'll set you back around $500 landed for a matched pair.

[xwfalcon]

Ive just had email back from oskar telling me he thinks OW2 would be a great chioce and he can ship matched pair to oz for $170 OW2 and $30 for shipping 200 euros so about 340 au and if anyone intrested the OW3 and OW4 are 242 euros shipped

Edited by xwfalcon, 11 August 2008 - 10:29 PM.

[~Spyne~]

cool, its probably been 12months since i emailed Oskar, but i remember back then it was only ~AUD$220/pr landed

[~thematt~]

Damn, we must have got our wires crossed and got a pair price thinking it was singles.

Thats settled then, the best tweeters on the market for less then $250 is by far the Hiq.

[Blazing928]

on ECA forum someone tested about 10 sets of tweeters.
Their #1 choice was the OW1 & OW2, and then factor price it was a no brainer.

However they did talk about the different characteristics, the writer loved the ribbons for their clarity etc.
From memory also Rainbow CAL28, very smooth and just listenable for ever.

My vote Brax HT1, much better than Rainbow CAL26, should be too, and then I got them cheap too!

[Winno]

I was looking at adding some GS200 Aurum Cantus ribbons to my system not too long ago when considering the gear to use. I have them in my home speakers (Leisure II SE) and love their extended, natural, airy sound. Gotta love the sound of a good ribbon.
Damn deep though!!!