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#16 eclipse_DYN

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 07:56 PM

Pulse-R, on Nov 12 2009, 10:34 PM, said:

depth is also meant to be 3-dimensional. a lack of depth is usually associated with S/N ratio and separation... these are artefacts of jitter and un-wanted crosstalk in the electronic circuits.

Simon - my knowledge of these terms and there implications are very limited. When you have time, can you please explain what S/N ratio, separation, jitter and crosstalk is, and how it affects the sound?
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Posted 13 November 2009 - 08:19 PM

Pulse-R, on Nov 12 2009, 10:34 PM, said:

depth is also meant to be 3-dimensional. a lack of depth is usually associated with S/N ratio and separation... these are artefacts of jitter and un-wanted crosstalk in the electronic circuits.

in home audio systems, more expensive equipment generally has improvements in both of these critical areas, and is easily the difference between "Oh, it's stereo I think" and "OMFG do you 'see' the sound stage! and that piano was too close to the wall when they did that recording".

it also helps to actually have some excellent recordings to listen to. 99.9999% are not good enough.

My experience in the high end industry for many years has actually shown the the biggest differences actually come from various speaker technologies (reducing cabinet resonances, driver and x-over design, etc) and careful placement in a given environment/room.

Sure, sources and amplification can make a difference and care should be taken to maximise synergies but differences are not nearly as much as the above. Most better sources and amplification have the basics sorted to be honest. It's the speaker/room interaction that is the biggest factor.

I can for example change depth of field in many systems simply by moving the speaker to a point closer to or further from a rear wall.

Oh, good cables help too...:D

Edited by Winno, 13 November 2009 - 08:30 PM.

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Posted 13 November 2009 - 10:06 PM

Winno, on Nov 13 2009, 08:19 PM, said:

Oh, good cables help too... :D

Thems fightin words Winno ....
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#19 Winno

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Posted 14 November 2009 - 09:45 AM

eclipse_DYN, on Nov 13 2009, 10:06 PM, said:

Thems fightin words Winno ....

;)
I wont tell you what I've done there then...
The car:
Honda RB3 Odyssey Lux - 24 bitness and 5ch bipolar Class A/B activeness
Source/processor:
Clarion HX-D2, Cleaved iP4
Amplification:Phoenix Gold Titanium 500.4 & 600.2, Alpine PDX4.150
Drivers:Audible Physics XR3M super wide band point source mid/tweeters, Seas Prestige L16RNSL midbasses, Infinity Perfect 10VQ sub, Fountek FR88EX wide band rears
Cables:Monster Cable XLN Pro, Monster Cable XLN S-16

The home:
Home two channel - Class A valve and ribbon goodness

Source:
Sony XA5ES (Burson discrete op amps x 6)
Amplification: Bewitch KT88 class A valve integrated
Speakers:Aurum Cantus Leisure II ribbon monitors (EXO modded, hand made ribbons) & high massed Epos stands
Cables: Kimber Kable PBJ, 4TC, 8TC

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Posted 15 November 2009 - 09:22 AM

have to agree on the cables thing... 'good' means not rubbish.
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