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[TheyDontWantMusic]

we all know the stuff, there's a few reviews going around on here (posted by the guy selling it? lol)

anyway, ordered a roll of it, took 9 days to arrive, no worries! not too happy about paying $AU80 shipping when it was sent it a flat rate USPS box that cost $US52 (less than $AU60)

but anyway!

on to the cable.

yes, its very flexible, nice a pretty.

the insulation is good, but not perfect (conductors aren't centred inside the plastic/rubber)

all the reviews where "Shok" was wrapping it around things, is all true.

now, the "issue"

its thick, the conductors are infact so thick, you can't get them into 50mm2 crimp terminals properly at all!!!

and because the insulation is so soft, as you push the cable into the lug, the insulation stretches, so the conductors don't go in properly.

plus, as you push it, the strands splay out the sides, making a horrible mess!!


so, in the end, yes, the cable is flexible, but it doesn't fit 0ga crimp terminals, and I don't think it would solder properly, as its copper coated aluminium.


at the end of the day, I honestly much prefer my 0ga "Audius" cable that I bought some years ago.

its not as flexible, not as thick, but is a lot more user friendly!


thanks for reading! (if this gets approved? )

[ceptavl.inc]

Interesting mate, was going to buy some but might stay clear.. thanks

[TheyDontWantMusic]

Interesting mate, was going to buy some but might stay clear.. thanks

from a cable point of view, its alright, but if you're wanting to use 50mm crimp terminals, its just a nightmare!

yes, its thick, and flexible, but at the end of the day, how flexible does a cable REALLY need to be? you only have to run it through the car once!

[xMplar]

yeah i found that it seemed to move a bit too freely inside the jacket did you see or notice that it felt like the cable was rubbing aainst itself too much and would rub thru maybe it was just me but it seeemed the pvc jacket was tooooooooo loose around the cable

and compared to hyperflex its not that much more flexi anyway

but its cheap enuf

Ren
xMplar

[Sigmeister]

You say it doesn't bode too well with Crimp terminals. What about like Stinger type terminal with a grub screw? or Battery Terminals?

[TheyDontWantMusic]

You say it doesn't bode too well with Crimp terminals. What about like Stinger type terminal with a grub screw? or Battery Terminals?

I don't know, I don't use them.

I'm sure the cable would fit ok.

but at the end of the day, it is aluminium!

[{Chips}]

If it doesn't fit into 50mm2 lugs, why not just step up to 70mm2?

[TheyDontWantMusic]

If it doesn't fit into 50mm2 lugs, why not just step up to 70mm2?

because you need to use the correct size crimp terminals, or they don't crimp properly.

this cable is probably 55 - 60mm2...

which doesn't help much!

[{Chips}]

Most brand name 0awg that I have used does not fit into a 50mm2 lug, however it fits fine (and crimps fine as well) in a 70mm2 lug.

Being an odd size really is inconvenient if your using crimp lugs.

[MAXIMUM EXERTION]

which did you recieve the 4700 or 5200 strand cable.

[TheyDontWantMusic]

which did you recieve the 4700 or 5200 strand cable.

4700, why do you ask?

[MAXIMUM EXERTION]

because i think the new competition 5200 strand 0awg is copper.

[TheyDontWantMusic]

because i think the new competition 5200 strand 0awg is copper.

yeah, they have a copper coated aluminium cable, and a "competition" cable, which costs more...

[MAXIMUM EXERTION]

I think the 5200 strand cable will woork good with 70mm2 lugs though

[Rare177]

ive had the same problem with the standard knuknoceptz wire, wouldn't fit into a 0ga terminal, was a pain in the ass, had to cut wire off to make it fit, i wouldnt consider it a good reason to not use the wire though, i would buy knu wiring again even though that annoyed me.

[Ash W126]

Just noticed the Shok Industries subforum isn't in the Commercial Sponsor's area anymore...

Was it just a crappy product he was hoping to push until people realised it wasn't as good as he claimed?

[shizzle]

I would not say its a crappy product. Not fitting into a terminal means its bigger than a 'normal' cable, ie, it can take more current. Being aluminum and copper coated does not mean its crap either.

I think people should not jump to conclusions, I would say hes not there as he could not find an Aus dealer?

[mad89]

Or his advertising period expired?

[TheyDontWantMusic]

I would not say its a crappy product. Not fitting into a terminal means its bigger than a 'normal' cable, ie, it can take more current. Being aluminum and copper coated does not mean its crap either.

I think people should not jump to conclusions, I would say hes not there as he could not find an Aus dealer?

yeah, but the fact its aluminium probably means it needs to be bigger to match the conductivity of a smaller, copper cable

its flexible, yes, but I just don't like it.

[headshok]

hi guys,

i'm back here, just saw this.

Firstly, thanks for the honest review

as for my cable just being " aluminum", Copper Coated Aluminum is a more affordable alternative for those who are on a budget.

I had a pure copper series ( competition series) which my Team in the USA used and Team Shok won champion in Street B . The new competition series cable will be out next year.

In terms of performance on the CCA, i've had no complaints at all with it lacking to perform.

there's a lot of other brands out there using CCA in their 1/0 but they do not mention it being CCA.

As for not being able to fit around a the ring terminal, my new batch of cable have a twisted core design which will prevent the cables from " fraying" open when u try to stuff them onto a lug.

as for soldering the cables onto the lugs, being CCA doesnt mean it will not solder properly.
This CCA solders very well onto terminals.

as for not being on forum sponsorship, well, i'm concentrating my resources in the US at the moment, but am still open to anyone who is looking for cables

My guys over in the US have no issue what so ever with this cable in terms of installation, but i'm always open to comments and appreciate any inputs.

I do have a new CCA line coming out soon, hitting the US shores around Christmas period.


Cheers all

Russ

Edited by headshok, 20 November 2009 - 10:02 PM.

[TheyDontWantMusic]

aluminium is about 60 - 65% as conductive as copper.

http://en.wikipedia....al_conductivity

so to get the same conductivity from an aluminium cable as copper, the aluminium cable would have to be 70mm2 to be as conductive as 50mm2 copper cable!

just saying..

[Charger]

You're sooking about the cable having too much conductor and the insulation being too soft and stretchy.

I thought you were taking the pi$$ when I read your review...

[TheyDontWantMusic]

You're sooking about the cable having too much conductor and the insulation being too soft and stretchy.

I thought you were taking the pi$ when I read your review...

if they want to make aluminium cable thats too thick, they should at least make it a standard size!

insulation shouldn't be so soft and stretchy that the conductors don't even stay in place!

its there to protect the conductors!

[sean]

Maybe you need to 'harden the f#$k up' (sorry excuse the bad pun!)

[headshok]

aluminium is about 60 - 65% as conductive as copper.

http://en.wikipedia....al_conductivity

so to get the same conductivity from an aluminium cable as copper, the aluminium cable would have to be 70mm2 to be as conductive as 50mm2 copper cable!

just saying..

hi there,

i have openly marketed my cable under CCA or copper coated aluminum and i am not hiding this fact that my cable is indeed copper coated aluminum.

Thus if you would have felt better buying my competition series cable which is 100% copper, u should have done so in the first place.

also, since u are saying that my CCA cable should have had more strands to " compensate " for being CCA, this would have lead to another problem for you,that being that my cable would most definitely not be able to fit into the lug u are using

cheers mate

[TheyDontWantMusic]

also, since u are saying that my CCA cable should have had more strands to " compensate " for being CCA, this would have lead to another problem for you,that being that my cable would most definitely not be able to fit into the lug u are using

cheers mate

no, it would need to be 70mm2 cable (00 gauge) to have the same conductivity as 50mm2 (0 gauge) copper cable..

so you'd use 70mm2 lugs!

[headshok]

no, it would need to be 70mm2 cable (00 gauge) to have the same conductivity as 50mm2 (0 gauge) copper cable..

so you'd use 70mm2 lugs!

maybe you could have use that lug on my cable would have made things easier.

anyway, the cable solders well, so u can consider that.

Cheers

[REVNSS.inc]

also if im not mistaken doesnt current travel around the wire strands? not through them? so copper coated aluminium would perform almost as good as pure copper?

please correct me if im wrong though.

Edited by wanab8, 23 November 2009 - 09:44 PM.

[TheyDontWantMusic]

also if im not mistaken doesnt current travel around the wire? not through it? so copper coated aluminium would perform almost as good as pure copper?

please correct me if im wrong though.

the skin effect applies for high frequency switching current/voltage, like in a switchmode powersupply

[{Chips}]

also if im not mistaken doesnt current travel around the wire strands? not through them? so copper coated aluminium would perform almost as good as pure copper?

please correct me if im wrong though.

iirc the "skin effect" only occurs at higher frequency's. So, in the case of amp power cable it shouldn't be an issue.

Edit: beaten to the punch.

Edited by {Chips}, 23 November 2009 - 09:46 PM.