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[tornaido_3927]

Hey!

Just been doing some lurking through the forums and came across something from a few years ago, no doubt some will remember the JBL MS-8 that was mentioned?

Topic is here

Just curious, has there been anything like it since, with or without amplification??

I'm not too knowledgable on processors but this one seems like the only one I've seen so far able to do the true 3.1 with rear ambience, phase processing, etc.

Unless this is standard form for processors these days?

[icacha]

nothing yet. harmon wont release it until they're happy with it and everyone will have to lift their game once its out on the market.

[Luke352]

This was the last update from Andy Wehmeyer who is the Global Product Line Manager, JBL Car Audio
Harman Consumer

As I've said before, as soon as we have production scheduled, I'll provide a date when we'll be shipping them. In order to schedule production, all software and hardware issues have to be resolved and all bugs have to be closed. We're getting closer.

Yesterday we cleared all speaker-system use cases--there are 48 possiblespeaker configurations and all of them work and sound great.

What's left? We have to wrap up EMC and ESD testing and apply any corrective action required. Much of that has been done. Then we do a final preproduction run, run those throught a battery of automated tests and then we schedule production.

Thanks for being patient.



EMC is electromagnetic compatibility--basically, our unit can't emit a bunch of noise that might interfere with other devices.

ESD is Electrostatic Discharge--if you drive around in a pair of wool sock in Wisconsin in January and touch the unit, thereby zapping it with 15kV (like touching a lamp at Grandma's house during Christmas break), the unit can't blow up.


Last time he mentioned timelines he was saying sometime in the first half of the new year, so not to much longer.

Edited by Luke352, 19 November 2009 - 08:38 AM.

[tornaido_3927]

Ah I see.. Thanks for that!

I thought there may have been products out that were similar seeing as it was several years ago that it was being discussed, but hopefully we won't be waiting too much longer.. I really want to hear what these are capable of!

[Matt VIP]

just go get a DEQX modified for 12v...

easy!

[Luke352]

Matt VIP, on Nov 19 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

just go get a DEQX modified for 12v...

easy!

More advanced in some areas, but still not optimized for correction in a vehicle, the MS-8 will be the only room correction processor optimized for in car use, there is actually some very unique algorithims that I believe Harmon has intention of putting Patents on. Very very cool stuff that will be totally unique.

[tornaido_3927]

Luke352, on Nov 19 2009, 02:35 PM, said:

More advanced in some areas, but still not optimized for correction in a vehicle, the MS-8 will be the only room correction processor optimized for in car use, there is actually some very unique algorithims that I believe Harmon has intention of putting Patents on. Very very cool stuff that will be totally unique.

So if there will be patents, does that mean there will be less competition with it when it's released, if other companies won't be allowed to mimic the technology?? And I'm guessing even though the MS-8 has been in development for years, that nothing has been released that's going to be close to it so far?

Found some more info here, tis from a few years ago but not a bad read..

[Shreknos]

will this be a passthrough sort of thing, whereas we can use own amplification, or are we forced to use it internal amps, 60watts at 4 ohms becomes three parts of not much at 8....

[Pulse-R]

I imagined it would be like the BitOne. I hope (for its own sake) that the amps aren't built-in.

[tornaido_3927]

Pulse-R, on Nov 19 2009, 07:05 PM, said:

I imagined it would be like the BitOne. I hope (for its own sake) that the amps aren't built-in.

I think that it has the option of using it powered or unpowered.. The last link I posted has this in it;

"there are 8 output channels and they can be pre-amp channels or powered channels--20W x 8 at 4 ohms, 30W at 2 ohms"

...is that what it means?

[Pulse-R]

ok, well that's not so bad I guess - would make it a bit bigger though, and unnecessarily more expensive for people who don't want the amplifiers in there.

[Luke352]

It can be used with or without the internal amp. The reason for the amp is because in reality it is designed for aftermarket integration as in go buy a new car with an integrated HU, buy some decent speakers, run MS-8 and there you go perfect image, stageing etc... It's principle market is not for people like ourselves who just want a box of PEQ, xovers, and TA. But it just happens that aswell as it's principle design for aftermarket integration, it will just happen to be the most advanced processor available as well. It uses something along the lines of 8 Biquads per channel, i'll let someone else explain a biquad, as it's beyond me, but I know enough to say nothing else in the vehicle market uses them and that it's not that common in the home market either.

[jwdrums0]

G'day fellas,

That sounds like good news. Thanks for passing on the update

I've been hanging out for this since mid '07, but lost track of progress amidst the prolonged delays and sparse updates. I ended up just grabbing a BitOne.1 for the time being, but as soon as MS-8 arrives it'll be getting a guernsey and coming straight in to my system off the interchange bench without so much as a warmup LOL

[Matt VIP]

here it is...

 MS_8.jpg   152.72K   9 downloads

:drool:

[TEGBOY]

Matt, porn is banned on this site That is just pure filth, I want!!