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[MR SPL]

So after alot of research i have come down to two choices. Would appreciate any opinions on these 2 component sets? Aswell as any other suggestions?

2 or 3 way active setup havnt decided yet. Doors sealed and deadened etc. 145x 4 @4 to power the setup

[Fury♫]

Do you prefer Coke or Pepsi?

[icacha]

Fanta or Sunkist LOL

[bsyde]

Guys or Girls

[Marc ♫]

Wow, everyone is getting so elite around here they don't like helping people anymore.

Now you've narrowed your choices down to just two, the only choice to make now is based on your opinion of which one sounds better, to you.

3 Way is better than 2 Way if you have the installation options. Poorly executed 3 way will not sound as good as well placed and installed 2 way.

Active should not be taken lightly - it can often take months for correct speaker placement and even longer for tuning and configuration.

My personal opinion - I'm a big fan of Morel as I have been exposed to them so much over the years. That's not to take anything away from Focal either though - they are a brilliant speaker.

Horses for courses. Seriously weigh up whether you are going to spend the time on installation and tuning and commit what's required to get it right. If not, then you might be better off considering 2 way only, or even passive over active. In any case, you need to audition these speakers and decide for yourself.

[Damo95]

i agree with what marc has said..

it appears that now you are down to those 2 choices, you need to find them running and listen to them... Altho i dont know who stocks both of those brands in SA..

if you "only" have 145x4, then you can only go active 2 way or semi-active 3 way..
a well set up 2 way can outperform a not so well set up 3 way... This also comes down to speaker locations and optimum angles... and of course 2 way is a LOT easier to get right..

Dan (broadz) has a set of supremo 2 way (with the picollo tweeter) which he's been very happy with.. its run active also, so might be an idea to have a chat with him regarding these..

I've had both focal and morel in a 3 way setup (focal was the K2P range, semi active while i had the morel elate6, cdm54 & supremo, active) and i enjoy the morel more.. so much, i'm putting that exact same speaker array into my current wagon after 5 years of playing with other brands (focal & dynaudio)..


at the end of the day, it comes down to your capabilities, limits and ears... and the ears are most important!

[icacha]

with all due respect to everyone, but how many times does the question get asked "which speakers should i buy?" and the most honest answers given most of the time are "buy what suits your ears".

cats or dogs, birds or fish LOL

sorry too much sugar this morning, just saying LOL

[Marc ♫]

This is a forum George. It also has a constant flow of members in and out. This is why they come here and seek advice.
If you've answered it so many times you don't have the patience any more, then don't answer.

There were a few more underlying questions in the OP's topic, which Damo and myself recognised and picked up on - an area where advice could perhaps still be offered.

[broadz]

I own a set of the supremos and love them. There are a few "haters" on these forums who love to argue that supremos cant sound good, have huge distortion etc etc based on their spec sheets. Reality is based on the application and car installed into you can get fantastic results. I'de much prefer to try something that has been proven to work then make a heap of calculations based on estimated specs in a perfect environment.

Another good idea is to chat with the people with success in SQ competition, they must know something/doing something right to get to where they are, moreso then a desktop expert who solely reads specs.

[~Spyne~]

before spending such a large amount of money on new speakers, I would be more concerned with learning how to set things up right so that you don't continue to blow your tweeters (or other speakers).

Marc and Damo have both given good advice, particularly about needing to hear these speakers for yourself to decide (we really can't tell you which ones YOU will like the sound of more), AND about going active v passive (you currently don't have enough amplifier channels to go completely active with a 3-way set + sub, only semi-active)

IF you went 3-way, Morel has the advantage of having a 9" Elate woofer, which would team nicely with the Supremo 5 set, or even buy the Elate9 3-way set but upgrade the tweeter to a Supremo.
I personally like the Focal sound, particularly their k2/kr series speakers. However, they don't have a large woofer-based 3-way set, and this for me would be a disadvantage if i really wanted to go 3-way.

As previously said, work out why you keep blowing tweeters, learn how to set up your amps properly, learn how to use the volume, eq and boost functions safely, then get out and try to listen. also work out if you can do a 3-way set justice with the right installation.

[MR SPL]

Thanks for the advice guys. Its all a big learning curve for me so yeah i am learning new things everyday. I think seeing as i have no hope i hearing the morels in SA i will just have to take a chance on them. They look like a very nice speaker with various awards and opinions.
I personally would choose them over the focals just on reputation and power handling. Assuming the morels can handle 140RMS which apparantly they can.

As for the blowing of tweeters obviously i have had the gains up way to high and now they are set lower all the components blend in now so its nice

Just NO midbass because these drivers just dont seem capable of it

Thanks for the advice!

[Winno]

I normally don't answer questions like this because as others have said, listening for yourself will tell you almost all you need to know.

Having heard both in various systems, I can say subjectively that there are some consistent similarities in each brand and consistent differences between the two.

Now in saying what I am about to say, you must understand that if I 'had to choose' one over the other, I would in no way be torturing myself wondering if I'd made the wrong choice.

My observations are that both are very detailed, accurate and transparent drivers.
The Focal errs more on the technically correct and analytical presentation, whilst the Morel seems to have a more...organic, and musically pleasant sound that some would say lends itself to more enjoyment over a longer listening session.

If you want to hear everything, I'd suggest the Focal.
If you want to get lost in the music itself, go the Morel.

It's a tough one, but that's my take on things.
When you listen, see if you agree with this. If you do, then you need to decide what you really want.

Good luck.

[icacha]

Marc, on 27 October 2010 - 07:56 AM, said:

This is a forum George. It also has a constant flow of members in and out. This is why they come here and seek advice.
If you've answered it so many times you don't have the patience any more, then don't answer.

There were a few more underlying questions in the OP's topic, which Damo and myself recognised and picked up on - an area where advice could perhaps still be offered.

True mate, but speakers are something personal and the person buying them is the only one capable of answering his/her own question. Everyone else just give their own experience/opinion whether they like them or not. Most importantly it comes down to application, you know yourself, get that wrong and it don't matter how much you spent they will always sound like ass.

[icacha]

To add, if people are really and honestly after natural sounding speakers in my humble opinion they need to get a professional recording done of a family member that they talk to on a daily basis and take that recording and use that as a reference. Once they get to a set of speakers that sound like or similar to the family member then they have come across a natural sounding pair of speakers straight off the bat with no processing or tricks. That pair is where their money should go, but in all honesty we don't like the sound of natural or we wouldn't have disagreements with our parents.

We like our sound slightly coloured, so anyone talking about natural should put that recording in their own system and see how natural it isn't. They'd be pleasantly surprised how un-natural sounding it is and the car is a harsh environment for natural sound without spending lots of time and money addressing the cars issues. Not un-similar to home reference systems, if the room is not addressed then they're wasting a lot of money buying such expensive equipment. They would of been better spending less to get the same result.

Still no one has proved me wrong, no I'm not perfect in anyway, but at least I know what to do when doing car audio. My knowledge might be on the practical side and not so much in theory. Theory I can't hear, practical I can.

Edited by icacha, 27 October 2010 - 06:45 PM.

[MR SPL]

I do appreciate everyones opinions. ALOT. But the only reason i asked because i have NO chance of hearing either of these sets in SA as we suck like that The morels just "sound" like a nicer set to be honest. More suited for me and im sure a better price aswell. I will be doing as much tuning as i can and experimenting to get them sounding good as much as i can to my ears anyway

Once again thanks guys