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[hugsdrugs]

have you listened to a low harmoinic distortion system

and compared with one which has enhanced even order ect tubes amps, non paper cones..




one option will give you dull / lifeless musics which will be closer to REAL music
while the other will give you pleasant sounding music but will actually sound non orginal




ones causes listening fatique while the other one doesn't



this topic could link down all the way to knowing what speakers to buy knowing how a speaker will sound
and if you'll will end up liking what you buy or not

[TMM]

'colourful'/harmonic speakers can really work well with some genres, and not so much with others. If you listen to widely varying music styles, the speaker with low harmonics will probably be a better bet.

It really comes down to choosing a speaker/setup that works for you and your music.

I prefer a low harmonic, flat freq response system, and then add whatever 'flavour' i want to it with processing.

Edited by TMM, 17 June 2011 - 05:07 AM.

[~thematt~]

If you find an accurate reproduction of music 'dull' and 'lifeless', you're in the wrong hobby.

You're also mixing up a lot of your understanding in relation to tubes, stored energy and distortion. Tubes dont enhance even-orders, the push-pull cancels out the odds. And the sound you get is a combination of low impedance levels, soft clipping and 2nd order harmonics, with a lot more of the former then the latter. In fact, the majority of the 'tube' sound comes from the Transformer, not the tube.

All that being said, there is nothing that can stand toe-to-toe with high dynamic, low energy systems replicating accurate music at Reference levels.

[Big_Valven]

Edit: Never mind me and my morning hypotheses...

Edited by Big_Valven, 17 June 2011 - 12:47 PM.

[~thematt~]

Human Brains prefer higher levels of Even over Odd, but not Even over nothing....

[hugsdrugs]

the phrased it incorrectly

i was not trying to start by saying original reproduction is dull and lifeless because that wouldn't be true

per say things which might be the case is in the car enviorment there might be suck outs which require abit of eq, stored energy in drivers,

i'm not trying to say original is dull and lifeless

but rather in comparison to the additive of hormonics, which annoying espiecially if odd natured

take for example the case of certain designs ribbon tweeters or the silk dome hiquphon ow2 which have some harmonics

how this harmonic gets interpreted by some listeners are
"a sense of air"
"details never heard before"

conclusively these sometimes in the real world this is artificial detail and non - original to recording as the artist intends

Edited by hugsdrugs, 17 June 2011 - 12:07 PM.

[SQXPRT]

A lively, dynamic system will sound better than a flat compressed system.

more overhead power and low distortion is nice, a lot of people complain about clipping without understanding the source of the distortion.

soft clipping (tube or transistor-generated) will give more pleasant sound than hard clipping.

speakers compress the osund when they are close to their linear Xmax limits, but continue to produce louder sounds when given more power.

[syd-monster]

Human Brains prefer higher levels of Even over Odd, but not Even over nothing....

Is that all of us, or can/has varied? and is it learned or experianced based, or genetic... just wondering as this is something Im not familiar with.