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#1 matt619

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:40 PM

Hey guys,

I am helping my friend choose new gear for his system, and i will be installing it for him. (dw, ive done quite a few installs, i know what im doing)

Anyways, he has a budget for around 3500

He has bought a pair of focal 165VRS.

We decided on 2 pairs of IDQ12's.

So we went to alberts myaree and spoke to a guy there. He rang Image Dynamics and they said there on hold for some time. So they might not make some more for 2 weeks or could be 2 months.

In the end he said he would call us back on a good pair of subs, a good amp to run them and a amp to run the splits.

My friend gave me a call today and said he spoke to him, the guy at albers quoted him this - (forgive me but my friend didnt catch some of the model numbers of these parts)

Arc 12 subs - $399 each (700w each) - to me i just dont see these as being good as good the IDQ12, they are alot cheaper too :S

Arc audio amp - $1200 (Runnig 600w to each sub,1200w amp)

He did quote another amp for the fronts, but my friend said he forgot what he said. However, the amp he did quote was $600!!

$600 for an amp just to run 2 front splits?? really..

So my questions to you guys are -

1. What do you think about the $600 for the amp to run the splits? too much? I have a mid crossfire 240 amp running my bostons, that was only $220, and thats fine.

2. Is ARC Audio any good? I havent herd any of there gear. Sorry about not getting the model numbers, but they are retail price I have listed.

If you guys have any experience or are running their gear please give your advice and also dont be shy to suggest better options for the subs and amps.

Thanks alot guys!!!

Edited by matt619, 03 April 2012 - 11:52 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 12:53 PM

Yeah Arc Audio is good stuff. They've got amps in class d or a/b.

Myself I use Hertz HDP amps - the mono block at 1000 wrms 2 ohms is about ~ $700

Why need 2 12" sub. Put the money together for a good sub like the Morel Ultimo 12 ~ $800

$600 isn't that much for a good 4 channels amp to drive the splits but I'm not familiar with the Focal splits mentioned.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 01:05 PM

Yeah Arc Audio is good stuff. They've got amps in class d or a/b.

Myself I use Hertz HDP amps - the mono block at 1000 wrms 2 ohms is about ~ $700

Why need 2 12" sub. Put the money together for a good sub like the Morel Ultimo 12 ~ $800

$600 isn't that much for a good 4 channels amp to drive the splits but I'm not familiar with the Focal splits mentioned.


we were going to get one, but because its going into a VE sedan he recommended go two subs.

we only need a 2 channel to run the fronts.. i se $600 just being way too much to power the fronts.

I really wanted 2 get good quality subs like the IDQ12.. any you recommend being up there with those subs?

Edited by matt619, 03 April 2012 - 02:00 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 01:44 PM

I'm not familiar with the IDM 12 - ive heard of the IDQ 12.

Morel Ultimo SC would be what I'd recommend. I've used Morel Ultimo and Audison Voce subs and they are both good for SQ especially the Ultimo.

I'll let others chime in their suggestions.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 02:00 PM

I'm not familiar with the IDM 12 - ive heard of the IDQ 12.

Morel Ultimo SC would be what I'd recommend. I've used Morel Ultimo and Audison Voce subs and they are both good for SQ especially the Ultimo.

I'll let others chime in their suggestions.


my bad typo there i meant the IDQ12, has been fixed :S

ok thanks man

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 02:17 PM

Let me answer these questions as the distributor in Australia for ARC Audio and Image Dynamics.

The ARC series woofers are great subs and easily on par with the IDQ's. They are a little cheaper as they are more in line with the ID models which use a steel basket instead of the Composite used on the IDQ's, personally I prefer the steel basket. The ARC series arIe suitable in sealed or ported boxes and extend really low for great SQ.
Not too long ago the ARC series was actually made at the ID factory, and are still being made in the US..

I would suggest the correct amplifiers for the system mentioned would be the KS1200.1 for the subwoofers and the KS300.4 (4ch) or KS300.2 (2ch) for the speakers depending on your needs. These are high powered amps, 110w x 4 or 220w x 2 respectively RMS.
If this is too much power for the Focals I could suggest the KS125.2 (75w x 2) and also save a few dollars.

At the recent Spring Break Nationals in Florida, ARC Audio won more first places and more podium finishes than any other amplifier brand.
That should tell you something of their quality and standing in the marketplace.

Rest assured the guys at Myaree have put together a top quality system, and it's a great match for your Focal speakers.

Edited by MAS Andrew, 03 April 2012 - 02:22 PM.


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Posted 03 April 2012 - 04:36 PM

ARC Audio is definately a quality brand with a good reputation. I've uses a few of their old XXK series amps in the past, and performance wise they were.very nice. There were a fee things about them that put me off, but performance was definately not one of them.

The new range of amps I don't know...i'm not familliar with the quality of these current amps compareds to something like the old XXK series.

As as subs go, the previous generation IDQ is a proven performer - not just subjectively, but in objective measurements. There is no doubting its.a quality sub. I'm not sure how the new model compares, but if my money was on it I.would go the.IDQ or something else entirely. I have no fair reason to give for this other then that I just don't know the arc sub to be able to recommend it.

That said, there's no doubt ARC is a good brand, so you cam rest assured knowing they aren't recommending you garbage!

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 05:33 PM

Let me answer these questions as the distributor in Australia for ARC Audio and Image Dynamics.

The ARC series woofers are great subs and easily on par with the IDQ's. They are a little cheaper as they are more in line with the ID models which use a steel basket instead of the Composite used on the IDQ's, personally I prefer the steel basket. The ARC series arIe suitable in sealed or ported boxes and extend really low for great SQ.
Not too long ago the ARC series was actually made at the ID factory, and are still being made in the US..

I would suggest the correct amplifiers for the system mentioned would be the KS1200.1 for the subwoofers and the KS300.4 (4ch) or KS300.2 (2ch) for the speakers depending on your needs. These are high powered amps, 110w x 4 or 220w x 2 respectively RMS.
If this is too much power for the Focals I could suggest the KS125.2 (75w x 2) and also save a few dollars.

At the recent Spring Break Nationals in Florida, ARC Audio won more first places and more podium finishes than any other amplifier brand.
That should tell you something of their quality and standing in the marketplace.

Rest assured the guys at Myaree have put together a top quality system, and it's a great match for your Focal speakers.


Thanks Andrew! much appreciated for the advice. I will take your opinion and tell my friend that these subs are great quality and he will not be dissapointed if he goes with this setup.

ARC Audio is definately a quality brand with a good reputation. I've uses a few of their old XXK series amps in the past, and performance wise they were.very nice. There were a fee things about them that put me off, but performance was definately not one of them.

The new range of amps I don't know...i'm not familliar with the quality of these current amps compareds to something like the old XXK series.

As as subs go, the previous generation IDQ is a proven performer - not just subjectively, but in objective measurements. There is no doubting its.a quality sub. I'm not sure how the new model compares, but if my money was on it I.would go the.IDQ or something else entirely. I have no fair reason to give for this other then that I just don't know the arc sub to be able to recommend it.

That said, there's no doubt ARC is a good brand, so you cam rest assured knowing they aren't recommending you garbage!


May i ask what put you off?

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 06:34 PM

I'd be a bit worried if you had a $3500 budget, baulked at $299 subwoofers but thought $600 for a front stage amplifier was expensive :S

In all reality, the quote sounds like a pretty killer system to me. There are many positive experiences with Arc audio on these forums if you have a look around. :)

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:02 PM

Let me answer these questions as the distributor in Australia for ARC Audio and Image Dynamics. The ARC series woofers are great subs and easily on par with the IDQ's. They are a little cheaper as they are more in line with the ID models which use a steel basket instead of the Composite used on the IDQ's, personally I prefer the steel basket. The ARC series arIe suitable in sealed or ported boxes and extend really low for great SQ. Not too long ago the ARC series was actually made at the ID factory, and are still being made in the US.. I would suggest the correct amplifiers for the system mentioned would be the KS1200.1 for the subwoofers and the KS300.4 (4ch) or KS300.2 (2ch) for the speakers depending on your needs. These are high powered amps, 110w x 4 or 220w x 2 respectively RMS. If this is too much power for the Focals I could suggest the KS125.2 (75w x 2) and also save a few dollars. At the recent Spring Break Nationals in Florida, ARC Audio won more first places and more podium finishes than any other amplifier brand. That should tell you something of their quality and standing in the marketplace. Rest assured the guys at Myaree have put together a top quality system, and it's a great match for your Focal speakers.


The KS1200.1 is a one channel amp.. we have two subs? wouldn't the KS600.2 be the one we need.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:20 PM

It's a one channel amp, yes, however you can run two subs from it - pending voice coil configuration. Your subs will be configured to run mono anyway, unless you're wanting a stereo sub setup (which i doubt - i'd say 95% of multi-sub setups are mono).

Trust the recommendations you've been given, the KS1200.1 is a good/correct choice. :)

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:22 PM

Hey guys,
I am helping my friend choose new gear for his system, and i will be installing it for him. (dw, ive done quite a few installs, i know what im doing)

The KS1200.1 is a one channel amp.. we have two subs? wouldn't the KS600.2 be the one we need.


This worries me 8P

Because you normally run subs mono you only need one channel to drive them, it's the impedance of the voice coils and how you wire the subs that will decide which amp you need.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:26 PM

A mono amp is fine for subwoofers as they are mostly used in mono set ups. 2 ch amps are mainly used in stereo situations or they can be bridged to one channel for subwoofers.
Both the 1200.1 and 600.2 are rated at 1200w RMS but at different impedence loads.
You could use either amp in your situation but it a mono amp is usually used to run subwoofers.

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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:32 PM

This worries me 8P Because you normally run subs mono you only need one channel to drive them, it's the impedance of the voice coils and how you wire the subs that will decide which amp you need.


sorry I didn't know that.. easily done anyways. Ive never wired it up like a stereo situation BTW.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 06:06 AM

We decided on 2 pairs of IDQ12's.


"2 pairs" is 4. But I presume from the other posts you actually mean 1 pair (2 subs).

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 12:08 PM

"2 pairs" is 4. But I presume from the other posts you actually mean 1 pair (2 subs).

:)

yes that is what i meant

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 12:20 PM

Don't be worried about using the ARC's. We are selling a lot of them and having great results here on the east coast.
They work great in small-medium sealed or ported enclosures tuned low..
They are made in the USA..
They would currently be my choice of sub under $400..
I use ARC 8" woofers myself.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 01:02 PM

Don't be worried about using the ARC's. We are selling a lot of them and having great results here on the east coast.
They work great in small-medium sealed or ported enclosures tuned low..
They are made in the USA..
They would currently be my choice of sub under $400..
I use ARC 8" woofers myself.

OK.. thanks man, im not worried anymore :)
once there installed i will let u know how much i like them :D

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 01:04 PM

I've designed a lot of boxes for these, let me know what type of bass/enclosure size/dimensions you need.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 01:08 PM

I've designed a lot of boxes for these, let me know what type of bass/enclosure size/dimensions you need.


its going into a VE commodore.. im not too sure, i was gunna get machi from myaree to sort that out. Unless you have suggestions..

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 02:04 PM

What type of bass do you want, how much space do you want to loose?

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 07:46 PM

May i ask what put you off?


Honestly, I found the reliability and internal build quality left a little to be desired for an amp of it's price and with such a good reputation. They had plenty of power (and clean power at that), but both of my XXK's failed on me in the time that I owned them:

* The 1500-XXK sent a loud 'thump' through my sub and then let out puffy white smoke because I changed the crossover switch from 'High Pass' to 'Full Pass' while the amp was running. I realise now that you probably aren't supposed to do that, but every person (highly reputable installers included) I've spoken to since then has told me they have done the same thing a million times and never seen an amp blow because of it. Doesn't give me major confidence in the durability of the amp when it dies from something even a Jaycar amp can live through.

* The 2100-XXK died seemingly out of nowhere, for no apparent reason. I gave it to my installer as a temp backup while they tried to get the 1500-XXK fixed (a mission in itself) and the next day they called me asking me when the last time I used it was, because it was dead. I had last used it about 2 weeks before that, no problems at all. I would have suspected foul play if not for the fact that they were highly reputable installers who definately knew what they were doing.

The 2100-XXK got repaired easilly enough, never had a problem with it again. The 1500-XXK on the other hand was an absolute mission...my installer apparently contacted ARC Audio and was told that the model of tripath chip was discontinued, and they basically couldn't do anything. Nicely left me with a RRP $1,599 paperweight.

Aside from the reliability issues, when I opened up the 1500-XXK later on to check what model chip it used I found the internal build quality left more then a little to be desired for a $1,500+ amp. Not only were components crooked in places, but there was white powder (looked like liquid paper) all over the place. I thought this was probably just remnants of the amp blowing, until I saw photo's on the internet of another XXK amp with the same nasty white powder all over it.

THEN i went on to find out that the $1,600 amp was really just more or less a fancy rebadge of a $800 or so Clarion amp - same output, same tripath chip, identical internals. A little more research and turns out it was quite widely known that these are clone amps, but some people claimed the ARC used better quality internal components - to me they looked exactly the same.

All of this was pretty dissaponting considering ARC had such a fantastic reputation for quality overseas and locally. On the outside the build quality was flawless and they backed it up with performance, but as I said the 'behind the scenes' parts kinda left a sour taste in my mouth. Especially considering the XXK series were ARC's flagship range prior to the release of the new SE amps.

The biggest dissapointment out of all of that was the fact that I have owned more amps the I can count on two hands over the years, and of all those amps the only ones that ever blew were one cheap/nasty Jaycar and those two ARC's. Most of my amps were bought second hand including a 5 year old Helix I got from the UK, a 10 year old Rockford I swapped for the damaged ARC (needed a 4channel desperately) and a >10 year old Denon I bought for something like $150. After the experience with the ARC's I always waited fo these amps to blow, but they never did - the Rockford and Helix are still running strong, and far as I know the Denon is too for it's new owner.

Now I am perfectly open to the fact that I may have just had really stinker luck with these two ARC's, especially since I've never heard any other people complain about them. Maybe those two amps dying were just examples of bad luck, being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Even if this is true though, the whole 'rebadged Clarion' scenario combined with the rough internal presentation still left a sour taste in my mouth.

One thing I can tell you without hessitation is that while they WERE working they were brilliant, and I loved them to death. The 1500-XXK was an absolute powerhouse (1 x 900W @ 4ohm) and amazed me with how well it controlled my IDMAX, and the 2100-XXK sounded clean and balsy. They looked fantastic, they had quality connections (not those nasty clip in RCA's that pull out under pressure) and up until the end they were just a pleasure to own and use. Just unfortunate that it ended the way it did.

As such, you can probably understand why my view on ARC amps is a little...polarised. Try to visualise the stunningly attractive girl that (when she's around) does everything right, but she seems to dogs you 90% of the time and you just never feel like you can depend on her. She's utterly fantastic, yet utterly dissapointing at the same time. But then how can I talk - I bought an Alfa! :lol:

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 08:09 PM

That's like judging today's Commodore based on owning a VS..

How many times do we have to go over the re-badged Clarion story. You obviously just heard something and run with it..
But really once again. Irrelavent to this thread.

Try a KS or SE and then have an opinion..
The product sounds fantastic and we have very little problems, the reviews are outstanding.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:31 PM

That's like judging today's Commodore based on owning a VS..

How many times do we have to go over the re-badged Clarion story. You obviously just heard something and run with it..
But really once again. Irrelavent to this thread.

Try a KS or SE and then have an opinion..
The product sounds fantastic and we have very little problems, the reviews are outstanding.


I think my post was perfectly fair. I haven't gone out unreasonably bagging ARC Audio based on lies or deceitful information - I've given an truthful description of my real life experiences, and I've fairly (and without bias) noted the good parts along with the bad. My post is spoken with honesty and without bias, as my posts typically are. Unless you can provide evidence that the current range of amps are more accurate performers, better built and more reliable then the ones I had previous experience with, it's really just your word against mine. You can sit here and argue that I'm biased because I'm bitter about a bad experience, I can sit here and argue that your biased because it's you have a vested interested in the product - neither argument is going to do anything to help mat619 with his predicament.

In response to your queries:

1. It's not like judging today's Commodore versus a VS Commodore. Today's Commodore is an equivalent model to the VS in terms of market position, and is about 15 years newer, it's significantly more expensive, and cars are a mass market item so BILLIONS of dollars go in to product develepment from one generation to the next (the VS is a good 3 generations behind the current). The XXK amps were positioned as a flagship model (while I belive the 'K' series are entry level / mainstream), they were sold up to about 5 years ago (so they are still relatively recent) and from memory I think they were more expensive at the time then the current 'k' series amps are now - plus car audio is a much smaller niche market, and many companies are cutting quality these days to drop prices and remain competitive in the hope of not losing out to the evergrowing trend of online shopping. There are many companies out there (like rockford, soundstream, etc) which are quite well known for being signiicantly lower in quality then what they used to be 'back in the day'. Not at all similar scenarios.

2. I didn't hear the story and run with it - it's a well documented fact that the two amps share the same platform, same board, same chip, identical layout and (from what I can see) same components. From memory even the white paste on the ARC was also on the Clarion 0 the similarities were far more then just 'urban legend'. I paid good money for the amps when I bought them and loved them to death - why would I have WANTED to admit/accept that the expensive amp I loved so much was just a rebadged version of a mainstream amp that costs half the price? It's hardly knowledge that would boost my ego. If you really think I'm making it up just to bag out ARC (like I'd have a reason to) I can try to find the comparison images and post them here so you can compare from yourself - I imagine though that you would not desire that, and it would also be sliding off topic.

3. It's not irrelevant to the thread - the matt619 titled the thread 'ARC Audio, any good?" and his initial questions were asking of people's impressions of ARC Audio as a brand, not about specific models. Out of fairness to the brand I initially didn't elaborate on my negative experiences with ARC until until matt619 specfically asked me to - the fact that the original poster of the thread asked me to elaborate makes my post absolutely relevant.

If the post isn't to you're liking then (with matt619's consent) I'm happy to edit it and send all that to him in a PM instead - either way I'm going to be open and honest about my experiences because I believe that's the right thing to do. Whether or not my experience(s) is relevant to the matt619 is up to him (and not us) to decide. Our responsiblitity is to provide honest feedback so that he can look at all the information presented and make up his own mind - wouldn't you agree?

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 09:45 PM

I think my post was perfectly fair. I haven't gone out unreasonably bagging ARC Audio based on lies or deceitful information - I've given an truthful description of my real life experiences, and I've fairly (and without bias) noted the good parts along with the bad. My post is spoken with honesty and without bias, as my posts typically are. Unless you can provide evidence that the current range of amps are more accurate performers, better built and more reliable then the ones I had previous experience with, it's really just your word against mine. You can sit here and argue that I'm biased because I'm bitter about a bad experience, I can sit here and argue that your biased because it's you have a vested interested in the product - neither argument is going to do anything to help mat619 with his predicament.

In response to your queries:

1. It's not like judging today's Commodore versus a VS Commodore. Today's Commodore is an equivalent model to the VS in terms of market position, and is about 15 years newer, it's significantly more expensive, and cars are a mass market item so BILLIONS of dollars go in to product develepment from one generation to the next (the VS is a good 3 generations behind the current). The XXK amps were positioned as a flagship model (while I belive the 'K' series are entry level / mainstream), they were sold up to about 5 years ago (so they are still relatively recent) and from memory I think they were more expensive at the time then the current 'k' series amps are now - plus car audio is a much smaller niche market, and many companies are cutting quality these days to drop prices and remain competitive in the hope of not losing out to the evergrowing trend of online shopping. There are many companies out there (like rockford, soundstream, etc) which are quite well known for being signiicantly lower in quality then what they used to be 'back in the day'. Not at all similar scenarios.

2. I didn't hear the story and run with it - it's a well documented fact that the two amps share the same platform, same board, same chip, identical layout and (from what I can see) same components. From memory even the white paste on the ARC was also on the Clarion 0 the similarities were far more then just 'urban legend'. I paid good money for the amps when I bought them and loved them to death - why would I have WANTED to admit/accept that the expensive amp I loved so much was just a rebadged version of a mainstream amp that costs half the price? It's hardly knowledge that would boost my ego. If you really think I'm making it up just to bag out ARC (like I'd have a reason to) I can try to find the comparison images and post them here so you can compare from yourself - I imagine though that you would not desire that, and it would also be sliding off topic.

3. It's not irrelevant to the thread - the matt619 titled the thread 'ARC Audio, any good?" and his initial questions were asking of people's impressions of ARC Audio as a brand, not about specific models. Out of fairness to the brand I initially didn't elaborate on my negative experiences with ARC until until matt619 specfically asked me to - the fact that the original poster of the thread asked me to elaborate makes my post absolutely relevant.

If the post isn't to you're liking then (with matt619's consent) I'm happy to edit it and send all that to him in a PM instead - either way I'm going to be open and honest about my experiences because I believe that's the right thing to do. Whether or not my experience(s) is relevant to the matt619 is up to him (and not us) to decide. Our responsiblitity is to provide honest feedback so that he can look at all the information presented and make up his own mind - wouldn't you agree?


mm im a little concerned, are you pretty much saying that im better to go with a clarion amp? because its cheaper and gives the exact same performance?

I do appreciate your honesty muzzy66.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:22 PM

Not at all - there was a specific model of ARC amp which was equivalent to a specific model Clarion amp - this is not the case for all ARC/Clarion amps, and I think there were only one or two models in the past that this was true for.

The internals on the two amps were (from what I could see) the same, but externally the ARC's were much more nicely built and much nicer to look at. Even if it was the same amp, I'd still have gone the ARC for that alone. For those who didn't care about visuals though, there was little (if anything) technically different about those two amps. Also the amps were an ARC design to my knowledge - meaning the Clarion was a cheap ARC, rather then the ARC being an overpriced Clarion.

As MAS Andrew pointed out though the current 'K' series of amps are a different range entirely, and as far as I know they have no link to Clarion.

My concern was honestly more with the internal presentation and reliability of the amps then the part sharing (many companies do the latter), but once again the reliability issue could have just been an unlucky experience. Both amps were bought second hand, but both were bought near-new condition off fastidious enthisiasts, and the 1500 owner was a reputable pro installer who always ran the gain on zero. 80% of my time with the amps I also ran them both with the gains all the way down (literally on zero) and I always too care of them, so I just didn't understand why they died. It seemed unlikely that it was a coincidence, but again stranger things have happened so who knows?

Regardless of all of the above, fact is that when I owned the amps (and they were working) I loved them. I eventually did sell the 2100-XXK along wtih the rest of the system (needed cash for a new car) and despite the issues it was genuinely difficult to part with, so there is no doubt that I cherished the amp when I had it. If a friend I cared about asked me if i would recommend them buying an ARC amp, I still would. Sure I'd let them know about my experience just so they are aware, but ultimately I would still say yes.

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Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:36 PM

Not at all - there was a specific model of ARC amp which was equivalent to a specific model Clarion amp - this is not the case for all ARC/Clarion amps, and I think there were only one or two models in the past that this was true for. The internals on the two amps were (from what I could see) the same, but externally the ARC's were much more nicely built and much nicer to look at. Even if it was the same amp, I'd still have gone the ARC for that alone. For those who didn't care about visuals though, there was little (if anything) technically different about those two amps. Also the amps were an ARC design to my knowledge - meaning the Clarion was a cheap ARC, rather then the ARC being an overpriced Clarion. As MAS Andrew pointed out though the current 'K' series of amps are a different range entirely, and as far as I know they have no link to Clarion. My concern was honestly more with the internal presentation and reliability of the amps then the part sharing (many companies do the latter), but once again the reliability issue could have just been an unlucky experience. Both amps were bought second hand, but both were bought near-new condition off fastidious enthisiasts, and the 1500 owner was a reputable pro installer who always ran the gain on zero. 80% of my time with the amps I also ran them both with the gains all the way down (literally on zero) and I always too care of them, so I just didn't understand why they died. It seemed unlikely that it was a coincidence, but again stranger things have happened so who knows? Regardless of all of the above, fact is that when I owned the amps (and they were working) I loved them. I eventually did sell the 2100-XXK along wtih the rest of the system (needed cash for a new car) and despite the issues it was genuinely difficult to part with, so there is no doubt that I cherished the amp when I had it. If a friend I cared about asked me if i would recommend them buying an ARC amp, I still would. Sure I'd let them know about my experience just so they are aware, but ultimately I would still say yes.


Ok thanks for your honest opinion. I will stick to the arc audio then :)

Thanks again.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 06:43 PM

...and lets be honest, are you going to listen to the distributors representative who has a) countless hours of experience and training with the equipment he represents and b) instant access to manufacters/designers/current sellers or are you going to listen to the guy who seems to spend countless hours behind his computer screen writing novel length posts, that never actually seems to complete a stereo even after years of trying....

The Arc gear is excellent. I've used their amps for the last five years, they still run perfect, their still in mint condition and they've been faultless for the entire time i've owned them. I like the gear so much, Im actually pushing two of my current five year old SE amps into my next big install and replacing them with a slightly lower model of Arc. Im also planning on using four of the Arc Black 10's and have no hesitation based on their proven performance in SQ competition in the states.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:07 PM

Yes, always listen to the salesman. See how you go with that!

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 07:08 PM

...and lets be honest, are you going to listen to the distributors representative who has a) countless hours of experience and training with the equipment he represents and b) instant access to manufacters/designers/current sellers or are you going to listen to the guy who seems to spend countless hours behind his computer screen writing novel length posts, that never actually seems to complete a stereo even after years of trying....

The Arc gear is excellent. I've used their amps for the last five years, they still run perfect, their still in mint condition and they've been faultless for the entire time i've owned them. I like the gear so much, Im actually pushing two of my current five year old SE amps into my next big install and replacing them with a slightly lower model of Arc. Im also planning on using four of the Arc Black 10's and have no hesitation based on their proven performance in SQ competition in the states.

Woody


Well by the sounds of it, and the experience Andrew has in car audio.. I am definetly going to listen to Andrew. (sorry muzzy)

Thanks for your input too Woody.

Much appreciated.





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