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[HINSPL]

Need abit of feedback, iv been thinking long and hard for the right brands, size subs that I want for good SPL numbers.. I want to compete in either street B and intermediate A class.. And either want 2x15's or 4x10's

Car that there going into is a 2007 Toyota hilux extra cab.. So I have about 10 cubic feet to play with for box give take..

I was considering 4 Orion hcca 10's or 2 Soundstream xxx 15's. What I want to do is get somewhere close to 150db if not be able to crack it...
"But am open for suggestions for good SPL subs"
Please let me no what you think will be able to get me there..
Cheers

[D34M0N.inc]

I would talk to lunchbox about the new Nak NSX subs. 4" Coil 1850w rms rating but are known to take 3+kw and best of all they sound good so you can enjoy them outside of spl comps.

[HINSPL]

Ohk... Yea haven't heard much if anything about those subs at all? Didn't even know they existed.. What sort of figures have they seen to give out with the right setup?

[Damologist]

Seeing as I'm the only guy who has run both of the Nakamichi NSX subs I'll jump in here

Nakamichi NSX 15" in a TRWC15 prefab box off 800~wrms I did a 140.7dB @ 44Hz off unboosted non bass edited music

Nakamichi NSX 12" in a TRWC12 prefab box off 2000~wrms I did a 143.3dB@41Hz, again off unboosted non bass edited music

Both of those numbers were in a 1996 Holden Nova (aka Toyota Corolla) in full daily setup, all seats up, box against the back seats

Hope thats helpful

Edited by Damologist, 11 June 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[HINSPL]

Ohk sounds decent. How do you think they would compare with the Soundstream xxx 15? And do you think that figure 8500watts is true or not?
And thoughts on...
-Re audio xxx 15
-Orion hcca 15?
I'm not steering away from the NSX just want some feedback on others also that iv considered putting in..

Thanks for the feedback so far

[woodzyspl]

seeing iv plaid with 3 soundstream xxx..i put them on my dc 9k at 18v (rated 11000rms)

i would burp them, no sweat, music, high freq it put 3-4k, low freq lucky take 3k without getting stinky (my box peaks at 38hz so no bottom out lol) iv blown 2 and now my last has 1 coil out of 4 left... altho they where billys first copping similar power to me, they where all in working order when i baught them..

what power you gonna run? i wouldn't try burp anything with a 4" coil (maybe the nsx better?) but going from smaller 3" subs on same power i went up .5-1.5db louder each time, if your gonna throw 10k per sub, id look at say DD maybe DC or import some FI btl n2, if only playing with low power look at lower end subs..is this burp only setup or daily? street b in db drag remember is only 2 batterys iirc, so can't daily put big power..

[HINSPL]

I have 2 Soundstream xxx 10,000D's

[woodzyspl]

so burps only (10k at 16v like other xxx amps right? or 14.4)..id personally run 2 level 5 15" or dd 9515 or a fi btl n2 or possibly n3 in burp only aplication.. or id even try a nsx if can get dual 2 coils (single 4 no good lol) they seem be loud for a 4" coil.


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[Lunchbox.inc]

thats a TONNE of power, the XXX 10,000's put out 5,000wms a piece if i remember right, so you've got 10,000rms on tap, for 2 woofers that is an absolute tonne...

personally i wouldn't even consider doing a build with 2x 15"s on that much power if you want any kind of daily listening... 4x 10"s would be my choice, more voice coils to disperse the power over, better daily usability...

if your looking for strait out burps then thats another story, but considering the car and class choice you've gone with i'm guessing you want a loud enjoyable system...


the XXX woofers may be rated at 8500rms, but i'd pay good money to see one take that daily in a musical setup... as woodzy has said, they'll take it for a burp, but thats about it...

the NSX woofers, altho completely beasty, i would be hesitant to recommend running 2 off that kind of power daily, as they just haven't been tested on that kind of power YET... add in the single 4ohm coils and they most likely won't work out for you,

the HCCA's on the other hand, are available in a 10" so that could work well for you...?


unfortunately there just isn't many options...

[dvs_bass]

2 sundown Z v.3 15's will see you there on a single xxx10k

[woodzyspl]

iff straight burp, why not 4 of the nsx 12's should get 1ohm strap the amps..do a good box and hit it..i think max limit to one battery tho unless go 3-4 but then billy would probably give you a caning unless gonna wall and try catch..thats if you going for any sort record ect lol

[HINSPL]

Specs on the Soundstream is.
4ohm 5500 x 1 channel
2ohm 7500 x 1 channel
1ohm 10,000 x 1 channel

And I have 2 of these amps so yea wanted to get a pretty high rated sub hence why I was leaning to the xxx cause there where at 8500rms rated..

I bought these amps quite cheap "ish" bout 4months ago and have had big plans but due to selection of car and so on... Plans on the build set me back cause I couldn't get info from commen stereo stores cause they would obviously push there own brand over the competition and win you over.. Again this is why I have posted this topic to find out with other consumers could offer on info..

And is great info I might add.. And opens my choices a lot.. Do you think in any of these options that you have offered would get me to or over the 150db rating?

[Damologist]

I think if you're not doing 150dB off 4x NSX 12's, and 18,000 wrms, you'd have to be doing something very wrong, lol

Edited by Damologist, 11 June 2012 - 08:37 PM.

[HINSPL]

I don't think I will have enough room for 4 12's plus ported box in a space cab hilux...

I only have MAX 13cub ft that's sort of why either 2 15's or 4 10's... Even that's maxing it out I'd think

[Lunchbox.inc]

+1.... if you were to go with 4x 12"s off a single amp the NSX would be a magical option... possibly even both amps @ 2ohm per amp...fantastic setup for a daily... really you want as many Voice Coils to spread that power over, as no woofer will take 5-10,000rms a piece daily, at least not happily...

but thinking away from woofers themselves, what are you looking at doing install wise? as you say 10-13cf in an extra cab ute i'm assuming you're planning to wall the ute? what are you doing for battery power to supply the XXX's....? as your going to want a TONNE of battery power...


also, you wouldn't happen to be the guy who rocked up atthe Bass Race event on Saturday night with the swift would you?

[Damologist]

I don't think I will have enough room for 4 12's plus ported box in a space cab hilux...

I only have MAX 13cub ft that's sort of why either 2 15's or 4 10's... Even that's maxing it out I'd think

Ahhh, yes, there is the space issue.... Hmmmm, my bad... I instantly picture optimal sized hatches when thinking SPL, lol

With that size have you factored in battery size requirements? Or will you have them in the tray?
Because I'm just thinking with a space cab hilux, if you're trying to squeeze the batteries and the two amps in the cab will there really be much room for a box at all?

[HINSPL]

Na I wasn't.. Did he have a similar setup that I want to try do?

Iv got 2 odyssey pc2150's

[HINSPL]

Previous to this I have a 2010 Nissan Navara space cab but I had only a 4000d running what I hoped was my xxx 15 that I bought but sub didnt work?? And was replaced with a SPLX 15...

Annnnyway!! The box I had was head height 10cubic ft ported 100kgs bolted to the back of the cabin and only run one pc2150 with still a little leg room so I'm hoping to squeeze another batt in there.. But the Navara does have a larger space cabin though I think..

[Lunchbox.inc]

Na I wasn't.. Did he have a similar setup that I want to try do?

Iv got 2 odyssey pc2150's

nah it's just that he had a XXX10,000 and a HCCA 10", it's just odd that all these XXX10,000s are coming out of the wood work atm, this is the 4th i've seen pop up in the last couple of months... the HCCA was just a coincidence as you mentioned them earlier...

the 2150's are a fantastic batt, but with that much power i'd still be looking at maybe a 3rd or 4th to go along with them... either way you've got some GREAT gear listed so far!! i'm very keen to see a build log of some kind!!

[HINSPL]

1 Hcca 10 and a xxx 10,000... Wow.. Did it survive?

Yea those batts I can't go past them!!

As soon as I get my stuff together and install is closer then what it is now ill start taking photos and stuff and show you how things are going..

But looking at it now I'm leaning more to 2 15's
Either Digital designs 9515's, xxx 15's, re audio xxx, sundowns, fi btl n3 or 2... Or even the NSX are going to be sufficient on getting to that 150db mark...

[RAD]

If you're throwing 12K onto two woofers, you need SPL only subs. For one amp the XXX's would be fine, two no.

DD 9515/9915, Atomic APX/APXX, HCCA etc...

[woodzyspl]

are you doing burps only tho? or trying play music, 2 batterys you deff in street b, altho not allowed wall under window line, so then your throw into super street 1-2..

[HINSPL]

I didn't think bass battle had a limit to box measurements??

That's why I didn't really wana go over 2 batts... Contemplating not using both 10k amps now due to that... No use having that much power when every 15" sub I have seen in that brands that have been dropped in this topic isn't over 2000-3000rms..

Na I was thinking musical aswell

[Lunchbox.inc]

i believe Woodzy is talking about DBdrags format which is a little more prominent in NSW, in Victoria you will more often see BASS Battle events, however there are still the odd DBdrags events around,

BASS Battle doesn't have box size limitations, however if the enclosure is seen to be a "wall" then it will be bumped up int the ultimate classes

"Wall"- If the enclosure extended to the roof of the vehicle via the use of trim panels or enclosure edges it will classified as a 'wall', regardless if it is sealed or not. Subwoofer enclosures are permitted to extend beyond the window line however judges discretion will apply as to the determination of a 'wall'.

my personal opinion has always been to build whatever it is that YOU want to build, and then worry about what class it fits into later, as 95% of the time the system is being used it will be at your own pleasure, not at a competition...

[woodzyspl]

OHH i didn't no bass battle had same name classes (the fusion events and i think frankies both got in trouble or warned for using the same name, street a/b, super street ect)



if after music grab some fi sp4, im gonna run 2 off my 9k amp, not sure how they would go on so much power tho LOL only seen 2 subs on a single 10k amp, a dc level 6 or dc neo (both cost over 2k over states) and the smd 18"..but all got stinky and warm after more then 30 seconds.. someone wanna custom make some 6" coiled subs to help him? LOL

[Lunchbox.inc]

OHH i didn't no bass battle had same name classes (the fusion events and i think frankies both got in trouble or warned for using the same name, street a/b, super street ect)

only for the street classes, as at the end of the day there is simply no better name for those classes,


i've actually been quite interested in those SP4's myself, they seem like a rather beasty woofer!!

[HINSPL]

Just had a geez at the dc website.. No level 6 or neo on there? Only level 5

[HINSPL]

Looking at some footage on YouTube of these dc level 5 15's looks as tho they can make some damage!!

But in saying that I'm sure any brands that both you guys and I have asked about could do the same... I'm gonna look into these subs abit more and also the fi btl n3's

Considering the sundown NS v.2 are not out till summer 2012..

Should I be looking at dual 1,2 or 4ohm subs..??

[woodzyspl]

ohh yes the level 6 is/or was a custom option forgot they stoped that, they are no more unless can find some beefy 4" coil motor with a 10" spider landing (look for old blown soundstream xxx ect) altho over seas they sell for $350 mark with a basket..then got big shipping. The neo i dunno if still available, but it was around $1900 before shipping if i remember..but the design was sick LOL there will be a new level 6 this summer and i think a new level 5, i cant say much more or ill get in trouble LOL

look into the sp4s altho they not rated high they will take 5k and LOVE 4th orders if got the room for a 3:1 ratio..could also look at AA mayhems, as i think the smd woofer is being redesigned..there was a guy over WA who has 2 tsns dunno what he ever did with them tho.

could look into DD but i dunno how the 9515's would like 5+ on music, iv never used them on music, if wanna spend big buy a DDZ,

.hmm what other large subs are there...

looking at fi n3, you have get custom spider pack ect, not recommended for daily they have HUGE motor fource, will be very peaky, but then again will be freaking loud, db don has 4 in a wall doing 60s on music, and another guy iv talked to had 3 15's on about 12k doing 55's no wall on music..

[woodzyspl]

can look at i think atomik uses 4" coil..

i think your gonna need 4" coils to take the heat off of 10k lol 2 level 5 would take a single 10k tho..but expensive ima guess 1800-2grand or so a sub.. would have use xamplar or what ever to buy them, unless buy from someone over seas used (or if know people lol)

id say 2 IA wardens would take it..if walling and 2 21" subs would be sick! think AQ had 4" coils aswell..

yeh i have a thing for watching subs being pushed to their very limits..its damm expensive tho lol