g'day guys,
will soon be installing my cabling in my VS, and am undecided whether to use twin shielded coax or twisted pair audio interconnects. what would yield a cleaner sound?
also, if i do decide to go down the twisted pair path, is using 16G ofc figure 8 and twisting this (with a drill) and connecting RCA's to this be acceptable? or should proper cable be used? also, what sort of twist rate should i be using if i do decide to make my own twisted pair leads.
any advice would be great.
thanks in advance,
John.
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twisted pair or twin shielded coax?
Started by jds303, Mar 02 2006 08:14 PM
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Posted 02 March 2006 - 09:46 PM
The cabling you use has very little effect on the sound you get - as long as its of reasonable quality, and everything is connected well, its going to sound fine.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 08:06 AM
see here for making twisted RCA's:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/diyce.html
i agree, twisted vs. coax is a bit of a myth
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i agree, twisted vs. coax is a bit of a myth
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 08:30 AM
twisted pair reject noise in a DC enviroment, Sheilded reject noise in an AC enviroment.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 11:32 AM
abmolech, on Mar 3 2006, 03:10 AM, said:
Twisted pair are balanced line cables.
While I liked most of your post, this line is completely wrong. A Balanced line cable has three wires, 1 for signal positive, 1 for signal negative and one ground.
Twisted pair cables are supposed to reduce inducted noice into the signal that it carries by twisting the two cables (signal and ground) together differently.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 12:46 PM
abmolech, on Mar 3 2006, 01:31 PM, said:
Is simply using the most COMMON form of a balanced LINE audio system.
And isn't that what we were all talking about?!
The problem I have with what you have posted is that whilst it relates to electronics/audio theory, it doesn't translate very well to practical use, especially with the usage in cars that this forum is dedicated to. There are some, but still not many products designed for properly balanced signals available.
abmolech, on Mar 3 2006, 01:31 PM, said:
The advantage of having a "third" wire are somewhat dubious.
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Posted 03 March 2006 - 01:10 PM
I give up!
At no point did I prove or claim to have superior knowledge. I have simply tried to steer you into providing some USEFUL information. Ever hear of the KISS principle. Think about using it when giving information to others who will otherwise quite likely have no idea what you are talking about. Whilst I didn't make my intention clear, there was still no need to go into an involved discusion on balnced theory, and the clear attempt at sarcasm seems to point out whose communication skills are lacking.
I have simply asked for a basic explaination. What is wrong with that?!
And just to maybe make you feel a bit better, I'll quite HAPPILY admit that it seems you have a higher level of knowledge than me.
At no point did I prove or claim to have superior knowledge. I have simply tried to steer you into providing some USEFUL information. Ever hear of the KISS principle. Think about using it when giving information to others who will otherwise quite likely have no idea what you are talking about. Whilst I didn't make my intention clear, there was still no need to go into an involved discusion on balnced theory, and the clear attempt at sarcasm seems to point out whose communication skills are lacking.
I have simply asked for a basic explaination. What is wrong with that?!
And just to maybe make you feel a bit better, I'll quite HAPPILY admit that it seems you have a higher level of knowledge than me.
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Ever hear of the KISS principle.
Personally I have a particular dislike of this principle. (Obvious I guess)
Please feel free to edit or redo my ORIGINAL reply that complies more strictly with this all important principle.
I still believe it was
Simple
To the point.
And of direct relevance to the intended question.
I believe it was YOU who wanted more detailed response requiring an explanation of the aforementioned deliberation.
I haven't heard a complaint yet (perhaps I am not listening) from any other poster.
If you wish to question an aspect of my answer, please feel free.
You addressed a detail, I responded with detail.
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While I liked most of your post, this line is completely wrong. A Balanced line cable has three wires, 1 for signal positive, 1 for signal negative and one ground.
An example of your communication skills?
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 10:51 AM
balanced, unbalanced..... whatever
optical has none of these problems
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I have used twisted pair and co-axial RCA's, and there's no difference I can hear.
as long as you use best quality cable and connectors, there will be no problem
optical has none of these problems
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I have used twisted pair and co-axial RCA's, and there's no difference I can hear.
as long as you use best quality cable and connectors, there will be no problem
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 11:07 AM
Same here... I have both types of RCA in my car and can't hear any interference from either.
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