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[C Had]

Hey ive got a suzuki swift gti, i run JL Audio 6" splits (VR600 - CSi) 60Wrms in pods in the front, on the back parcel shelf JL Audio 2way 6" 50Wrms (TR600 - CXi), a 13" JL 185Wrms sub in boot (sealed in manufatures box and running off only 1 channel of the 150x2 amp, actually sounds incredibly great!), a poneer 50x4 deck and 2 responce amps (150x2 and 50x4) now gettin to the point, i previously had instead of the 50x4 amp, a pioneer 35x4 and it sounded very nice, just... sweet sounding but since i have had to return that amp to the owner and i got the responce 50x4, more power, better suited (specs wise) to my speakers but it just lacks mid range warmth and seems to have way too much low end power for the speakers. I have reduced the bass in them (inbuilt crossover etc.) but still not much luck with the mid-warmth! I'm reasonably good at eq'ing but hate it cause i'm jus never satisfied with the sound of it! just wonderin if any1 has anyideas that they could help with gettin some warmth threw my system. Thanls!

[brady123]

Man that is a HUGE first sentence. Your lung capacity must be pretty big to not need a breath. Use paragraphs next time, makes it lots easier to read.

[HBD]

Brady, I assume he was asking for help with his stereo, not his grammar and punctuation.

By the way, your response should read:

"Man, that is a huge first sentence. Your lung capacity must be pretty big as to not need a breath. Use paragraphs next time; it makes it a lot easier to read".

I just thought I'd help given we were correcting each other and all.

[Pulse-R]

I have noticed a similar thing with my new amps -
my old Pioneer amps (4x 65W) were warm, the new JL Audio ones (4x 75W) are much more 'accurate'(?!?) and hence have a cooler/harder sound, but they do sound more natural in the upper mid range. (maybe mosfet vs. bipolar??)

I never expected just changing the amps would have such an impact, considering all these people saying all amps sound more or less the same.

I have been able to eq mine back into nice-ville, but the speaker postions and crossover settings have all needed to be re-done from scratch.

Edited by Pulse-R, 14 April 2006 - 07:42 PM.

[Ruger3]

you hypocrite BlakeyBoyR

i had the same thing with the response amps i think they sound like crap and wouldnt use them in a high end install. save up and buy an amp from a reputable brand. people will say you wont be able to hear the difference but thats rubbish imho the jaycar amps sound like crap.
i went from the jaycar to an eclipse amp and never looked back

[Ben]

C Had, on Apr 14 2006, 12:34 PM, said:

Hey ive got a suzuki swift gti, i run JL Audio 6" splits (VR600 - CSi) 60Wrms in pods in the front, on the back parcel shelf JL Audio 2way 6" 50Wrms (TR600 - CXi), a 13" JL 185Wrms sub in boot (sealed in manufatures box and running off only 1 channel of the 150x2 amp, actually sounds incredibly great!), a poneer 50x4 deck and 2 responce amps (150x2 and 50x4) now gettin to the point, i previously had instead of the 50x4 amp, a pioneer 35x4 and it sounded very nice, just... sweet sounding but since i have had to return that amp to the owner and i got the responce 50x4, more power, better suited (specs wise) to my speakers but it just lacks mid range warmth and seems to have way too much low end power for the speakers. I have reduced the bass in them (inbuilt crossover etc.) but still not much luck with the mid-warmth! I'm reasonably good at eq'ing but hate it cause i'm jus never satisfied with the sound of it! just wonderin if any1 has anyideas that they could help with gettin some warmth threw my system. Thanls!

Hmmmm.... Don't roll your eyes when I say this but have you sound deadened your doors?

Have a listen to your speakers at a low level and then compare the sound at a higher level... Do you notice a slight change in the midbass? What I'm getting at is that you may have a sympathetic harmonic in your door that you may not have noticed at lower sound levels.

Another thought is that one or more of the speakers may be out of phase? Not to treat you like a noob but I've caught myself out with polarity on a few occasions..

I guess you will have to nut out what you are doing differently with the new amp that may have any kinda bearing (eg: different RCA line voltage level, different earth points, change in speaker wire lengths making a voltage drop)

[HBD]

[C Had]

well call me a noob but no i haven't sound deadened doors (does that make a big differance? havent done it b4), but the polarity is correct, and yeah i notice a little difference at low levels.

unfortunatly what i suspected (apart from tryin sound deadenation) may well be the case... responce amps deffo have the power but not the quality im lookin for, itl have to do 4 now but i'd like to try the JL amps, any1 have th 4x75, what u think of them?

oh and sorry bout th big first sentence..

[zion187reigneth]

i got the res/precision amps and i wasnt interested in the "response" amp range(low power ones) , any way i had another head set when i hooked up the res/precision amp and it lacked mid range ,,,, i put in a alpine h/u and the mid range was there?
edit# not that i really care if R/P amps "are" or "are not".

Edited by zion187reigneth, 16 April 2006 - 12:22 AM.

[Pulse-R]

I got the JL Audio 300/4
not too bad, very detailed, and reasonably flat response, plenty of power on tap
easy to install, smallest 4 ch amp I found with decent power (didn't look at the Class-T amps, just class AB).
all connections (power and speakers) uses a allen key, has concealed terminals. heat sink doesn't get hot at all with 4ohm spkrs, but I don't play it too loud.

[muzzy66]

Ruger3, on Apr 14 2006, 09:42 AM, said:

you hypocrite BlakeyBoyR

i had the same thing with the response amps i think they sound like crap and wouldnt use them in a high end install. save up and buy an amp from a reputable brand. people will say you wont be able to hear the difference but thats rubbish imho the jaycar amps sound like crap.
i went from the jaycar to an eclipse amp and never looked back

I don't see how you can bag out jaycar when your sig says you use Kenwood power for your front stage?

I don't mean any offence or anything, i'm just curious as I personally hold jaycar in much higher regard then anything from kenwood.

Cheers

C Had: If a smooth sound is what you are after, and i'd take a look at Audisons SRx range of amps if you are budget limited.