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[Ascension24]

Okai, been out of the car audio scene for a while now.

Sold my bike, selling my car, buying a new car (empty pallet) and time to work some magic.

Now im really looking for that punch in the chest mid bass kick that only a 3-way split can deliver with a door full of SD.

I know a sub is a vital role in this, but i'm just worrying about the front stage for now.

I'm leaning towards the HSK163 (6.5" & 4" & 1") driver. The 6.5 will fit easily into the stock holes in a VT so its not going to cost an arm and a leg to get installed.

Thought about dyns, but dont want to spend that much.

What are peoples opinions on these hertz? and what are some other speakers I should go listen to?

Mainly listen to club music, like house, trance.

[HBD]

*Points toward signature*

$760, and will kick your ass

[tis_paul]

Wat a trip out, in the same boat as you (selling car and bike, getting new car) and listen to club music, mostly trance, dnb etc and looking to get a more SQ orientated setup with a bitta kick.

ANYWAY it was pointed out most correctly that this sorta music is very much high and mid bass orientated, so you may be better off saving installation costs and 3 way costs and getting some sweet ass 2-ways with some good bass. Rainbows and Bostons were recommended. Check out the post here, it'll probably help you out here: http://www.caraudioaustralia.com/forums/in...showtopic=66801

[SCorpion]

want midbass

dont settle for anything less than 7inch.

but there are some nice two ways (in 6.5inch if thats wat u want) that are worth listening to.

rainbow, dyn, mb quartz are some that are good for midbass off the top of my head.

[HBD]

'Don't settle for anything less than 7"' is a rather narrow minded commet in my opinion. If you've got a sub and decent crossovers, then having a 7" yields (in my opinion) little benefit over a GOOD 6". Brands like Rainbow, Dynaudio etc. will give you more than enough midbass without needing a 7". Also, a 6" will fit in most factory installation holes, whereas a 7" is going to require some custom work, more so than just mounting a 4" mid in kick panels if you went a 3 way 6" system.

[Crusader]

I tend to agree with Scorpion. I've just been comparing my Focal K3P woofers with some Pioneer kevlar 6x9s which I've had for ages. The 6x9s kick ass. It is a different kettle of fish but it points toward "bigger gives better bass"

These 6x9s get down real low and I like to listen to AC/DC with them cos they bring out the open E chords and bass. Would be excellent for music with guitars tuned to D.

Envy those Rainbow kicks though Blakeyboy


Doug

[Pulse-R]

plenty midbass from 6.5" in doors, just install properly: use "wave breaker" (egg-carton shaped foam) behind woofer and seal door well for tight-as midbass.

[muzzy66]

Remember Scorpion, Rainbow Power midbasses don't actually have the cone area of a 7".

I checked up the specs on Rainbows website, and my Profi 6.5" midbass actually has a greater cone area then the Power. This is probably alot to do with the much larger surround on the Power set though I guess.

At the end of the day though, it seem's to me that they go by a similar system to Dynaudio with their MW160GT and MW160MKII. Both have the same cone area, but the MKII has a slightly larger overall diameter due to the thicker mounting area.

From what I can see the Power is not really a full 7" (or 6.9") speaker, but more like a 6.5" on steroids

[Ascension24]

I'm def going to be going the 3-way, as I've had a decent focal 2 way setup before so this next setup has to be heaps better.
I know the stock location is a 6", and fitting 6.5 isnt that hard. But if the costs of fitting a 7" or 8" is going to be an extreme more, then I might have to go the 6.5"

The dynaudio 340 is $1399 on fhrx, even if i could get it for cheaper thats still too much for me. Had a quick look at mb quarts, they have a metal tweeter, really hated the metal tweeter on my last focals, but ive been told they were known to be very harsh.

Im liking the idea of the rainbows, going to have to track them down and give them a listen, BlakeyBoyR what type of music do you listen to on the rainbows? how would you describe their sound?

800 would prob be the max I would like to spend on the splits, so dynaudio is out.

any other 3-ways people are using at the moment or have heard off? Does anyone know what the HSK163 are like?

Edited by Ascension24, 16 June 2006 - 12:33 AM.

[garfa]

personally i wouldn't stray from my nak 6.5 inch splits. the only thing that is missing is an 8 inch or so driver.
the more ggraduation uyou have in driver size the smoother the frequency curve willl be, simple. there will be a dip from where the 6.5's roll off and the 10/12/15 inch drivers start. using an equiliser to even out the F curve is a band-aid solution to not having a dedicated lower mid-range driver. equilisation should only be used to even out specific flaws in a certain drivers F curve NOT to boost a natural roll off and roll on of 2 drivers. true?

[Ascension24]

True garfa, a system should be designed to the best of ones knowledge/money, then an EQ to iron out the rest, thats why in my ideal world, i would have an 8 or 9 inch in the door, then something between a 6" and a 4" down on the kicks and a nice tweeter to match. But money is a factor in the real world... sadly :'(

But I still would love an 8" in the door, if worse comes to worse will run with a 6.5 because wont cost anything more to install then a standard driver, the custom kick panels will break the bank but.

Im not going to start mix and matching drivers with custom cross overs because the cost will sky rocket. Would of been good if I still had my carputer then I could of ran digital out from the comp to an alpine pxa and run an active setup... was an idea I was going to run with but things change.

So back to the point, lookin at round 800 bucks on a passive 3-way setup.

So far, theres the rainbow CLS 3-way, wouldnt mind owning a pair of rainbows. MB quarts, which range is in the 800 mark?

Also what about morel?

I really need a place that showcases all these brands so I can listen to them myself.

Edited by Ascension24, 16 June 2006 - 01:23 AM.

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Ascension24, on Jun 15 2006, 11:20 PM, said:

I really need a place that showcases all these brands so I can listen to them myself.

where abouts do you live?
perhaps somebody can point out where you can go

if you wanna go on a budget and put 3 ways and not do a custom install then your not maximising the potential of your setup, your better off going with a decent 2 way set instead

if your insistent on getting 3 ways then maybe you should save a little bit and get a custom install, getting it done right the first time, means more money saved in the long term

at your price range for a set of three way mb quart your looking at the reference line, if two ways you'll be looking close to the premium line, but if you didn't like your last set of focal's i doubt your going to love the mb quart's

morel's are nice but the 6.5 speakers aren't renowned for 'massive midbass'

typical rainbow sound is smooth, balanced and detailed sound characteristic but not in your face

[Fhrx]

Remember the pricelists on our website are the full retail prices.

[SCorpion]

muzzy66, on Jun 15 2006, 11:59 PM, said:

Remember Scorpion, Rainbow Power midbasses don't actually have the cone area of a 7".

I checked up the specs on Rainbows website, and my Profi 6.5" midbass actually has a greater cone area then the Power. This is probably alot to do with the much larger surround on the Power set though I guess.

At the end of the day though, it seem's to me that they go by a similar system to Dynaudio with their MW160GT and MW160MKII. Both have the same cone area, but the MKII has a slightly larger overall diameter due to the thicker mounting area.

From what I can see the Power is not really a full 7" (or 6.9") speaker, but more like a 6.5" on steroids

yer surround (and VC etc) for massive excursion.

thats why most midbass drivers are larger, not neccessarily for cone size. its a balance of the two.