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Originally posted by mick007:
I think we need one in Melbourne too! **hint shiny**

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would be a good idea and something i would like to have organised. there's a few SQ people in melbourne that i think would be keen to bang heads together to get something happening.

so we'll see.

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Looks like the nuts of a good idea here.

If melbourne and Sydney people (so far...) get our heads together at FB we might come up with some good "workshopping" ideas that are common to each state so we are "on the same page".

Good thought T-Bro
ps I have a copy (today) of Patricia Barber's Cafe Blue and that's some seriously tasty sh1te. SQ disc indeed !!

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my pleasure critter! this is looking like the seeds of something great!

i'm thinking that after FB, possibly even after Summernats, we start these workshops. i think most of us at the moment (i know i am) are rushing around getting our cars ready for the end of year shows, so we may as well start it after that's all over and people feel more comfortable tinkering around

we will have to start thinking about who will operate these in the respective cities. i think its safe to say that critter and myself will judge the sydney workshops, maybe shiny_car can use his contacts in the southern city to round up people there?

i am at the moment putting together a proposed auditioning format which all cars would be judged by, where the judge enters their appraisals for each part so that the vehicle owner has a structured set of feedback to guide them in their development. to this end, i will assemble the criterea, and start a new thread when its done so we can all discuss it and refine it to suit the majority.

so my plan of attack would be:

- get club managements support for the concept
- assign judges/organisers for each city
- workout a very small donation per car and how this will be forwarded back to the club
- create and table for discussion an audition format (i can do this)
- agree on the format as per everyones input
- create some basic rules to ensure smooth running
- set dates and locations
- run the first event and use feedback & experience to better structure future ones

at the moment, there is no rush as like i said its show season so everyone is occupied. however with the clubs and the SQ forum's permission, i'd like to take on the responsiblity of moving through this checklist, alongside critter. in this way we can ensure that everything is co-ordinated from one point.

so stay tuned (pun intended)

ps - critter, OMG, you got cafe blue, itsn't it a beauty? track #9 is superb, builds up slowly to some haunting vocals by patricia that almost rip off your cars roof. gets the hairs on your neck standing on edge, then closes with the deep, almost tribal drums. but the opening track #1 immediately creates a sense of space within the club it was originally recorded in, so ambient and wide and deep. for some reason the CD seems a little bass heavy, im not sure why, and the string instruments (double bass) are as always hard to get right. but a great demo disc and awesome for late night cruising

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[Edited 1 time by T-Bro on 27 September 2002 at 09:49]

patricia barber? hmm, might have to look out for that one.

workshop: yeah, would be good. not sure what you had in mind, but i foresee something along the lines of:

*1~2 hour sessions, maybe fortnightly or monthly
*1 hour for discussion/theory, 1 hour for practical/listening/demostrating
*have a programme/synopsis to go through a whole series of topics, with the theory/practical related to that

possible topics:
*choosing components, system design (general)
*electricals
*source (HU, etc), incl installation
*front stage
*subs
*SDing
*tuning/tweeking
*inhouse SQ comp: at the end, as a bit of fun

well, that already covers 8 sessions!

we could have a nominated person to 'run' each session. it could be or needn't be the same person each time; i'm sure there'd be at least 3 or 4 of us in melbourne that could do this, and people like myself would happily attend each one anyway (work permitting).

if each region (eg: Vic, NSW, etc) has the same format, we could create a set of 'notes' to handout to each attendee for each session.

not sure about imposing a 'fee' on people, maybe a 'donation' on the day (eg: gold coin). and hopefully CAA funds will cover things; and include a BBQ lunch.

anyway, i won't get carried away now.

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[Edited 1 time by shiny_car on 27 September 2002 at 10:59]

hey shiny,

thanks for your input mate, always good to have you on board

the fee/donation is basically just a way to collect funds for any particular CAA project at the time, it could be a voluntary donation or a small fee, so thats fine. i dont know what materials might be required for the workshops, i will be happy to donate my own resources but if things start adding up, some support via this donation mechanism or CAA assistance may be in order. depends how far the concept grows! however i suspect it will remain a niche club event given the tight SQ community in australia.

i wasn't thinking of having actual tutorials, but its a great idea!!! i was thinking in terms of a pruely audition-based workshop, where everyone gets a chance to hear each others cars with real music (as opposed to the usual, non-critical, stick yer head in the window, doof doof car park meets) but more importantly everyone gets to have their systems auditioned by experienced SQ enthusiasts who will provide written feedback. as to theory or installation tutorials, i guess topics etc could be agreed on at the individual city level.

its important to note that no winner would be announced, it would not be a competition, just a structured learning experience for people who love music and sound quality in their cars. anyway, obviously im not going to be making decisions for other people or others citys but for sydney this is how i see myself and critter running things in the initial stages, based on what he and i have discussed, and then whatever the locals want. to ensure it meets members needs, i guess each workshop team in each city could get feedback from members within their own locale as to what should be covered in the workshop, to keep it relevent. i think everyone would agree with me when i say that the workshops should NOT end up as a rigid, nationally controlled and dictatorial system, just simply something each city does from time to time that provides what the local members regard as useful SQ experience and feedback. It has to be for the people and by the people, and keep the members above all happy

but what im really excited about now is that both sydney and melbourne are excited about the concept, so that is a brilliant start!

my goal would be to commence Sydney CAA SQ Workshops very early 2003, with a structured audition format and two nominated judges (myself and critter). all the rest of the details can be voted on by the people

but my next point of business is getting support from Marc and other members of club management before i go further.

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Probably should take this to a new thread, but it's here now....

To start the SQ ball rolling in a more structured and "real world" way, I think the concept of the workshop environment is excellent.
It is non-intimidating, amongst mates who are doing what CAA is about, helping each other enjoy their systems. All Good.

The next step then is a good group of SQ systems (and their owners...) with confidence to take on actual competition.

I would be more than happy to have T-Bro do an "assessment format" for comment. and from there develop something of a programme for states to go through in a systematic way.

There are any number of people at CAA now who will have valuable input.
One thought is to have states cover the same areas in the same month for example so that feedback can be shared across CAA in a fairly timely fashion and successful techniques can have their opportunity for experimentation for example.

We all get to share in the pleasure of hearing systems develop over time....that is what enthusiast clubs do

A simple gold coin donation seems a good idea to go towards the growth of an inventory of CAA "stuff", perhaps calibrated mic, whatever. That discussion can wait.

And yeah, Cafe Blue is kinda nice (import tho'), very lush and ambient. The only criticism I can find of the production is that the drumkit is a bit wide......

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too bad there isnt enough people in perth for this

any of you melb peeps want to fly down here for a workshop :P

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hmm, i would have thought there was sufficient interest over there.

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Anyone in brisbane interested in this, sounds like a top idea to me

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We will have Bris Vegas people at the FB and they are encouraged to join in our discussions and contribute to the development of the programme.

With Marc, shiny_car, JohnA and T-Bro there, amongst others, we will have some good input.
It's all good, SQ lives at CAA

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Audison VRx 2.150EX front stage amp
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Rear fill - stockies with power from HU (not that they get any)
Sub - Kicker S12L72 in 75 litre 30Hz slot-ported display box.
Stinger cables and connectors etc
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I thought the Car Audio Nationals Idea was good, only problem was the squabbles and bias and so-on that everybody bitched about. The IASCA concept looked to have the goods, as we then judged the same way the us did and therefore could compare our guys like Andrew Green with their guys like Mark Elderidge, but money and comitment from an industry that survives on the lie known as RETAIL and SALES took hold.
The important thing is honesty.

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this is something im considering for the SQ workshops. that is, providing a score for each section, and overall, _not_ to make it a competition, but so that people can highlight areas where they are weak, and consult others who are strong in that area. for example, a member scores only 1/5 for the stage height section, so they post asking for anyone who scored 4/5 or higher in this area for advice on how they can imporve. this promotes cross-pollination in terms of spreading experience and knowledge across districts, and will help to grow the quality of CAA SQ competitors in the new proposed Australasian SQ competitions. ie, more of the winning cars would hopefully be CAA cars because of the ability to easily share info and advice nationwide. the scoring format makes it easy for the strong to help the weak and we all benefit.

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