Damo95
Dec 19 2002, 05:58 PM
Guys..
For some reason, im leaning towards SQ in my VS right about now, must be a phase..
i start my work holidays tomorrow and was thinking about trying to make my SQ a bit better while i have lotsa spare time..
i currently have Pioneer Bass Bullet splits in the front and rear of my VS, running off a Philips XP-640, which puts out 4x80wrms, or 2x200wrms..
i was considering disconnecting the rear tweeters, keeping the crossover and running these off the rear channels of my Pioneer deck, high passed.. what cut off should i have??
with this, i was going to run my fronts off the bridged Philips amp for more 'front end'..
my 2 solobarics are pretty much set up for SQ anyway being in a tiny sealed box, so i thought about making the rest match..
Is my proposed 'option' gonna work and is it a good thing to do??
im well aware that a bridged amp isnt the best for good SQ, but i want to do this without spending any money whatsoever and utilising what i curently have, where all i need is time..
if i do bridge the amp, i will be getting about 200wrms a side, along with 400wrms per sub, so i feel that it may be balanced..
i want to hear your opinions guys, as im keen on this.. Oh, im also considering moving the front tweeters from the sail panels to the stock tweeter locations, similar to Stoked's Clubby..
John L
Dec 19 2002, 06:47 PM
I reckon your spot on with the more power to front stage.
Then I'd have a play with the tweeter locations - maybe even give them custom mounts under the heater vents on the doors for better staging. I've been tempted to try that - except I'd have to run tweeter wires into the door.
And sound deadening - I don't remember if you've sealed your doors or not - but that is such a good thing.
Then just play with crossover points - your mids will fly with heaps of power - so drop the crossover points to get more sound from the front speakers - and a bit less from the subs.
You've got heaps of options - I'll be interested to see what other people say as well.
i recon you sell off all your gear to sum bloke that lives a few suburbs away, and then start from scratch
im sure that no matter how you set it up it'll look and sound the goods
Glenn
Damo95
Dec 19 2002, 10:19 PM
Thanx for the help John..
My tweeters are already wired in through the doors, so that tweeter mount may not be such a bad idea, but im a little unclear exactly what/where you mean..
Sound deadening is next on the list also, as i have 5 large packs of serenity comin down from Sydney.. that whould be enough to do Kel's boot (2 packs) and the rest for me..
At the moment, my deck is set at a 80Hz high pass, with the amps set there abouts as well..
And Glenn.. Piss off..
I need more help guys, as i wanna start this soon..
[white lie]
Dec 20 2002, 05:24 AM
i'd definately go thru with your idea, that will boost SQ a fair bit, like suggested, tweet locations will also be a big factor
i have my tweets up near the air vents (in a VR, so doors will be the same), and while the stage is fairly high, there is a little bit of seperation, so wouldnt really suggest going quite so high...i have planned to make custom mounts for them so they sit on top of the woofer pods and angle up towards opposing head rests...but i havent played around with the pioneer splits, so i dont know how well they would image set up like that
but i would recommend definately playing around with tweeter locations, just stick a big lump of blu tac on the back of them and listen to a track or two...try not to vary the music everytime you change locations though as they will more than likely image differently to different songs
Damo95
Dec 20 2002, 10:26 PM
Thanx for that Madaz 929..
I considered puttin the tweeters on the door pods too, with the surface mount of the tweeter, to point it in the right direction..
John.. just been thinkin about it, are you refering to the spot where my volt guage is??
if it is, then thats a no-go as i cant do it and im not gonna redo the wiring through that "virgin tight" boot in the door.. Im thinkin about screwing it to the door there.. not exactly sure, but i will attack the blu-tac..
My problem with that is that i cant tell the difference with my hearing disabilty and my mate helped me tne it last time..
So, for me to test the best location, im gonna have to ask for some help for a day or so..
Where's Shiny hiding?? i want his opinion as i look up to him..
shiny_car
Dec 23 2002, 05:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Damo95:
[b]Where's Shiny hiding?? i want his opinion as i look up to him..
i agree to bridge the amp for the front splits. worth a try at least.
not exactly sure what you mean/plan for the rear splits. why would you want to retain the tweets and not the woofers? i'd be running the complete splits off the HU, faded heavily towards the front of course.
but set it up to your tastes. coz i can only say that your subbass is WAY too much for my liking.
it's pretty funny how you strive for SQ with a hearing impairment.
Damo95
Dec 24 2002, 12:45 PM
Thanx Shiny..
I actually meant to take out the tweeters and leave the woofers, but i spose your suggestion is good..
QUOTE
it's pretty funny how you strive for SQ with a hearing impairment.
I like my music Shiny, and i think i may 'trial' the SQ route for something different..
For the time being, i may just run the fronts off the amp, with the rears d/c'd to see if its a viable direction..
But, now im not really sure what to do..
[white lie]
Dec 24 2002, 05:28 PM
i would at least run them off the HU as if anyone gets in the rear they will only hear bass as i cant hear my splits from the back if faded all the way to the front
i would also do it as it helps lift my front stage a bit...my fader is generally all the way to the front, but the difference in stage height is noticable between all the way to the front and two notches towards the rear
its free power, so why not utilise it? you can always fade all the way to the front if you dont like it
Mickee
Dec 25 2002, 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Stoked:
Then I'd have a play with the tweeter locations - maybe even give them custom mounts under the heater vents on the doors for better staging.
I assume where you are referring to is the flat space on the doors between the top of the woofer pods and the bottom of the heater vents??
I've done this in my VS (I used to have the tweets flush mounted in the heater vents) and the difference is amazing. Really improved my imaging and reduced separation, and the soundstage wasn't dragged down much at all (the tweets are angled up and back towards the opposite headrests.)
Maz
Dec 26 2002, 06:23 PM
you dont need to bridge the amp to give 200wrms to just your fronts they dont even take 80wrms, that'll be more than enough. For starts i would place teh tweeters pointing at the opposite headrest. down just above teh woofers or in the kicks are the best places this will insure good should quality.
Now with the rears i would move the tweeters to to just below where the front seatbelts come out. Have the tweeters firing into the rear seats so that there is minimal reflection from the treble. So you wont hear treble from the rear but the rear passengers will have even beter sound. Thats what i have done.
Then i would sound deaden and seal your doors. This will increase your midbass significantly.
Also having a small sealed box isn't always the best for sound quality as it can often peak in the 70hz frequency which your fronts should be playing a bit of anyway.
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