I know that they are within 30cm of eachother but whats the advantages of each.

I would think that the tweeters in the door would be better as they are higher but shiny has his tweets in the kicks.

The mid bass drivers will be in the doors.

The kicks would be the easiest place to mount the tweeter and my pods dont have to be as big

[ December 03, 2002, 21:57: Message edited by: Maz ]

You have a big car so i would recommend you keep the drivers as close as possible. If you can, mount them all in the door, assuming you only have a 2-way setup. Otherwise you can put the tweeter in the kick panel with no major problems. The good thing with mounting most of the larger drivers in the doors is that you don't have to relocate factory computers etc from the kicks if you were to mount the midrange there. If you use shallow mount drivers (sealed design) then you can sometimes mount them in kicks without relocating stuff. I'd say that image seperation shouldn't be too much of a problem, you will need to experiment with the angling though.

Basically, it all comes down to sacrificing one thing for the other. What i mean is, utimately you try to achieve perfect imaging & sound stage in your car by having the speakers positioned as far forward as possible. However, although this improves staging, there can be the issue of loss in stage height. If tweeters are incorrectly installed in your kick panels, it will sound like they are installed at your feet, hence the loss in stage height. If however, you take the time & effort to determine the correct angles & positioning of your tweeters (as Shiny has), it should 'ultimately' sound like the music is coming from infront of you spread across your dash & not on the floor.

I personally have designed pods which position the tweeter in the far bottom corner of my doors. I found that in my car, the tweeters mounted in the kick panels whas not doing them justice.

It's all about playing with different positions & angles to determine what is right for you & your car. Just make sure that the tweeters are roughly pointing opposite headrests.

Hope I haven't confused you too much

aside from the usual theories and rationales, when it comes down to 'what sounds best to you', sometimes it takes a trained ear to notice the difference.

that is, unless you compare a few systems that are setup differently, you may never notice issues of 'separation' and 'stage height'. coz sometimes it's very subtle. or you may prefer some slight separation with the benefit of high stage height running tweeters atop the dash.

it's all part of the fun of experimenting and learning about car audio. and admittedly, the differences can be very subtle and i don't hear many things!

unfortunately in my car, the kickpanels are relatively 'down' and less 'infront', which has the detrimental effect of lowering the soundstage. but coz i'm upgrading everything soon, not only am i anticipating better things, but i now can't be bothered experimenting any more!

lol, i must agree with the others too... But, however, certain speakers display different characteristics..... Some xover's allow speakers to have more "spacing" between them, without noticing a "separation" between the speakers.... This is usually 6db xovers... however, the steeper the slope xover the closer the speakers must be, otherwise, some music will sound "high" and others "low" (as in height)... With Dynaudio tweeters, the BEST mounting position i've found is high, at eye level, with the main drivers not too far away, but, as high as possible also... However, i also think the dyn's sound nice with VERY steep xover slopes (i've got 60db on the tweeter ) it creates a harder "edge" to the sound, as i found the dyn xover's to be a little "crossovery" if thats a word, i heard alot of sound coming from both speakers at time (mid and tweet) and i don't like that... So, basically, set it up, get everything right with carboard mounts first, before you go drilling, cutting, etc, mount them in carboard, use them for a few weeks, change what you think, then leave it again for a few weeks..... this will give you a tru idea of what to do
Aaron

Blue-Tac is a virtue! Try the tweets in different possies see(I mean listen) what sounds best 2 U.

yeha i agree with the dude above what he said!
it dont matter where u put them as long as the sound sounds good to you! no one else although i wouldn't mind the sound been good while im sitting in ya car!!!
have a good one "again" im calling u now ok ciao boiz

what's with the spam???!!!

what spam??

huh

nothing wrong.

just don't want to see you going on a 'chatting' spree on the forums.

but welcome to CAA and good to see you participating.

just ignore her she'll get bored eventually

and yes i am getting better speakers so it sounds better in the back seat... i mean when your in the car

[ December 31, 2002, 18:37: Message edited by: Maz ]

Car Audio is like home audio...

1. Your trying to keep your components as close together as possible
2. Your trying to get your staging out in front of you as much as possible.

That's why alot of SQ installs run tweets or tweets and mids in the kicks.
It try to get the effect that the sound from those components is coming from out in front, the fact they are at your feet has no bearing when setup correctly, as you can trick your ears as to where the sound is coming from.

When you bring your speakers back more, you tend to find the staging it brought back bit also.

But at the end of the day, each car is diffect, as to is the equipment, som speakers work far better off axis then others. Which can be VERY helpful.

So with tweeters, get the blutak out and try them everywhere. Generally metal domes will run well in the kicks as they are alot brighter. But there is no reason why a soft dome won't work just as well in alot of cases...

So test, test, test and let your ears be the judge. I was very happy with my tweeters and mids in the kicks. Only thing that let me down was that the mids weren't firing on a very good angle (more to the centre console than anything else).

good luck.