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Innovator
I have been listening to my system for too long now without properly devoting time to tune it correctly.

I want to know if it is worth buying an SQ setup CD for tuning purposes or just going from a normal music CD?

I'm just not sure how a "good/great SQ" system should sound - reading alot is good until you have to actually put that into practice! I have had the system tuned by the shop that did the install but I wasn't entirely convinced...

If it's best to use a normal music CD what are some of the best songs/artists to tune from? And if it's better to use a dedicated SQ CD which one should I use?

Thanks in advance, Brad.
shiny_car
i find that dedicated test discs have higher quality recordings and music that better demonstrates flaws and strengths of a system.

so disc like the alpine and focal discs are good.

then there's the even more dedicated test discs that feature tones and imaging cues, as well as back-to-back music sequences with variations in frequency outputs (eg: tracks 10/11/12 may vary only by midbass 200Hz outputs of -3dB/0dB/+3dB to help you tune the 200Hz region).

i also find that music featuring natural accoustic sounds, like vocals, accoustic guitar, saxophone, piano, etc, are best for tuning. electronic music is obviously 'fabricated', so who knows what it's 'meant' to sound like. whereas, i know what a sax/piano, etc should sound like, so can tune accordingly.

i highly recommend the alpine demo discs (eg: alpine 'final encounter') and IASCA test discs. specialist car audio stores may have them.

however, normal music discs can be useful too. and spending $$ on specialised test discs may only be useful if you have lots of tuning on hand, like a parametric EQ or 'many-band' (eg: 9+) graphic EQ.

in terms of 'reference', you should try and audition the test music on an audiophile home system. and gain experience (if not already) with what accoustic music sounds like.

hope this helps.
Bodyjar
I have the IASCA '99 test disc if you want to borrow it Brad?
Anonymous
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if ur in perth let me borrow it for an afternoon

[ March 11, 2003, 18:07: Message edited by: shiny_car ]
Mickee
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Originally posted by shiny_car:

in terms of 'reference', you should try and audition the test music on an audiophile home system. and gain experience (if not already) with what accoustic music sounds like.

hope this helps.  
You're spot on here Shiny, this is definately the best way to familiarise yourself with how a quality, natural/transparent audio system should sound.

I selected some decent quality test discs with acoustic instruments and lots of vocals (Jewel and Norah Jones), then went into audiophile home hi-fi dealers posing as a prospective customer and listened to these discs on systems ranging from $10k to $25k.

This gave me an appreciation for the quality of sound that I wanted to strive for, and it has helped me imensely in tuning my system...

of course, I doubt I'll ever reach that level of SQ in a car's environment...
Bodyjar
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Originally posted by NUMB:
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if ur in perth let me borrow it for an afternoon    
Errrr.... no, i'm not from perth....
Anonymous
because shiny edited it it came out wrong

to make it make sense it should ahve been 'anybody that has the alpine cd and is in perth can you let me borrow it for the afternoon'
Innovator
Thanks for the replies guys.

I think I'm best not to listen to some high end home systems for demo purposes otherwise I can see me spending some serious money on that seeing as I have no home stereo...

Yeah I have to agree with you shiny saying that the specialised cds would or at least should have a better quality recording than mass produced music cds so...

Richie: I'll take you up on the offer to lend me that cd thanks, no rush though - takes me forever to get non critical stuff done!

Only trouble I'll have is trying to pinpoint the sound to where it should be. Every time I listen to mine at the moment, even with my eyes shut, I find it difficult to concentrate as my brain keeps telling me that the sound is obviously coming from the door speakers and dash mounted tweeters but I can't get that out of my head to really listen to hear were it sounds like it is coming from - if you know what I mean?

Also, would it be fair to say that the best sq setup/tune (not install - just the tuning of installed components) wouldn't necessarily actually sound the best for listening to everyday. I mean like should I have a setting purely for sq comps and another for everyday listening?

Thanks again, Brad.
T-Bro
if your brain cannot ignore most of the imaging coming from the speaker next to you - it's because it is it indicates that there is work to be done to create a balanced soundstage. attenuation, time alignment, equalisation and other things may help. but it is worth the trouble - the experience of a large, realistic and detailed soundstage in a car is really something else...
shiny_car
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Originally posted by Innovator:
would it be fair to say that the best sq setup/tune (not install - just the tuning of installed components) wouldn't necessarily actually sound the best for listening to everyday. I mean like should I have a setting purely for sq comps and another for everyday listening?
fair point. i totally agree that an SQ-tuned system for competition is not exactly to my tastes for daily listening.

however, the main difference in the vast majority of cases is the level of subbass. for comps, we want the SQ to reproduce the actual recording, and if you audition a disc on a home audiophile system, you will usually realise how subtle subbass is, which reflects proper 'spectral balance'.

but for me, and most people, i like the impact of 'doof', especially to overcome roadnoise. and this can easily be achieved with the tweak of the sublevel control. so i turn it up for daily use, and turn it down for critical SQ listening. the remainder of the tuning (midbass upwards) can remain the same.

John L
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Originally posted by Innovator:
Also, would it be fair to say that the best sq setup/tune (not install - just the tuning of installed components) wouldn't necessarily actually sound the best for listening to everyday. I mean like should I have a setting purely for sq comps and another for everyday listening?
Yeah - I agree with Shiny on this one. When I enter my car in SQ comps it seems to perform best with the Subwoofer setting on around "-12" on my deck, but when I drive it every day I crank it up to between "-8" and "-4" - mostly on "-4".

The reason being - while in SQ comps and sitting in the driveway you can hear the bass when it is heavily attenuated - when you're driving around, the road noise and vibrations seem to mask sub bass substantially. That way you need to increase it's volume to be able to hear it.

Otherwise - with fronts etc - if it sounds good enough for an SQ comp - then it should be great for daily driving.
Innovator
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Originally posted by T-Bro:
if your brain cannot ignore most of the imaging coming from the speaker next to you - it's because it is      it indicates that there is work to be done to create a balanced soundstage.  attenuation, time alignment, equalisation and other things may help.
Yeah I thought so - more work needed...but perhaps I should've explained better: Although my brain thinks the sound is coming from the doors - to me it doesn't sound like it's coming from the doors but elsewhere - I just can't pinpoint exactly where elsewhere is
John L
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Originally posted by Innovator:
Yeah I thought so - more work needed...but perhaps I should've explained better: Although my brain thinks the sound is coming from the doors - to me it doesn't sound like it's coming from the doors but elsewhere - I just can't pinpoint exactly where elsewhere is  
OK - I was thinking about this as I drive into work this morning.

What you need to do (obviously not driving) is really concentrate on where the sound is coming from - rather than where the speakers are.

It's like one of those 3D pictures - you'll get used to working out where the sound is coming from - rather than trying to concentrate on speaker locations.
NUTTTR
Got the Nora Jones album (uhhh... "borrowed" my gf's one ) and it sounds pretty farkin good, if you wanna test your system, try that, the vocals are perfect for testing, although, with rock music my system shows very very different characteristics than with teh Nora jones one... worth a look in
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