actually something ive always wondered - with premium factory systems that advertise they use BRAND X, like dynaudio or harmon kardon or bose - which actual models do they use? i would assume the lower end models (as the customer never sees them anyway, so why splurge), or a special OEM model made just for that contract.

my question is, in the example of the volvo's, which dynaudio speakers are used exactly? are you really getting what your told?

as for the 'centre focus' buttin you mention Dr Evil, that sounds like an OEM adaptation of the prologic function "centre width" which is fully adjustable, and not just on and off. i guess they simplified the controls as your average mum and pop wouldnt know where to start, or be bothered, setting up prologic properly

i knew there had to be a catch!

I must say that it is a good and a bad thing in that it will eventually and already is starting to put a lot of small specialist car audio stores in a spot of bother. There bread and butter days were installing CD Players in every Joe Bloggs car when they first came out. Now you never see a factory car without a CD player. That means stores are making there money from upgrades and subs and amps now......

What will they be left to sell if you can go out and buy a commonwhore with a a full setup already installed? Is that a good or a bad thing for the community and will it effect the retailers in a bad way with people no longer needing to upgrade to get a good sound out of there system? Will ignorance kill out passion with everyone in the world being able to say they have a great SQ Car?

I for one don't like it at all. They should be made to upgrade there system themselves when they want sub bass and good front stage audio in there Volvo. Otherwise we get a bunch of ignorant consumers on the scene bassing it up at lights and enthusiasts such as ourselves will cop the wrap over the knuckles through harsher penalties and confiscating stereo's.

I don't care if Dynaudio makes the gear. Will the driver ever appreciate the art of creating a central and high sound stage? Will they know the feeling of joy when your new 8" Drivers burp out there first audition of "Private Invetigations" after countless hours of glassing, deadening and painful EQ adjustments?

Or will technology just make all our efforts look like cheap buggers that didn't want to buy the new technology? IE - A speaker on your dash and a button that makes a center stage. WHERE IS THE BLOODY PASSION IN THAT!

Is this the death of SQ being a challenge?

Rex.

[ May 13, 2003, 15:08: Message edited by: Slappin Rex ]

there will always be the individualists like ourselves who want to be different.
it's kinda like saying "what will happen to the performance car industry when ppl can go and buy a 300+kw car with 500+Nm of torque straight off the showroom floor"
those who want to be unique, will be.
and i doubt it will ever get to the point where all price ranges of cars have fully done stereos.
because the cost and increase in weight will just be too high.

Very true, Sathid... Wogs like myself could never justify getting a ferrari for 150,000 plus, when we can build up a car pre-1990 and do it up to go faster and feel better than one! To our own taste of course. But hey, owning a ferrari is a good thing, not knocking them, but I'm just beeing humble.
Sorry for that guys.. just adding my 2 cents!
Please come again!

Wogs like you? Go the ethnicity plug. I am not too sure what that has to do with the topic.

Anyway I am saying that people become too blarsay about good stereo's when they start rolling out of the factory with Dyn's and the point is that the enthusiasts will have to start putting up with more people bassing at lights and then the finger being pointed at us.

hahaha i can definately see where u are coming from Slappin Rex.

But what these people will NOT have is fully customised stereo's that are tuned exactly to their taste.

Big brands must cater for everybody...

We are UNIQUE. Don't worry because NO Commodore will come out with a big boot install with fully sik neons and a strobe!

Just a bit