PER10D
Jun 20 2003, 02:51 AM
i want to mount my tweeter somewhere, but without having to make custom pods or anything.
any ideas where i could put it??
my mate put his tweeters in his civic inbetween the door handle and the air vent for the aircon. he had to cut a hole out of the door trim and mount it flush. it looks really good and the at that angle it hits directly opposite to the other side, i.e passanger tweeter in directrion of driver ear.
[ June 19, 2003, 13:00: Message edited by: bOreDKeNt (aka) PER10D ]
cgrahame
Jun 19 2003, 04:32 PM
From the research I have done (I am still learning myself) I think most people who know a bit about car audio would not recommend puting it in the location you mentioned.
Reason being is it is to far away from the mid-bass driver for optimal imaging (assuming you were to put the mid-bass in the factory location). It is recommended that the tweeter be within 11" (?) of the mid-bass driver.
So I guess just above the factory speaker location or even behind the grill right next to the mid-bass driver if there is room, but even better would be in the kick panels for best imaging. Although I am not sure it is possible in your car looking at that deep pile looking carpet :-)
Cage
Sathid
Jun 19 2003, 04:42 PM
perhaps on the blanking plate for the mirrors?
HondaCivic
Jun 19 2003, 11:08 PM
I have a civic hatch too, older model tho but this is where i put it, sounds good there, got it off the floor so it wasent muffled by legs, but wasnt too faw away from the woofer and the arm rest part thing stops water if i open door when its raining
But looks like you dont have that sorta spot, unless you flushmound it in the same sorta spot??
[ June 19, 2003, 21:26: Message edited by: HondaCivic ]
DD Phil
Jun 20 2003, 09:07 PM
Midrange position is the most critical for a good stereo image.
After optimising the midrange location, wire up the system and grab some blu-tak.
Spend a couple of hours in the car, moving the tweeters from place to place (using the blu-tak) Your ears are the most important judge of the tweeter position which best compliments your midrange location.
Phil
XHELL
Jun 20 2003, 10:49 PM
Try the A pillar, I'd tend to lean towards equalising wave lengths over placing the tweeter close to the mid. If the tweeter is separated from the mid then if the distance from either to your ear is approx the same then in my opinion should still sound OK and a technique shops like
www.maroochycarsound.com.au use quite successfully to lift stage height etc. A few cars I know of place a tweeter high and one close to the mids. But usually every car is different, for example, my tweeters, midrange and mid-woofers are farely close and low (kicks and doors) but with carefull mounting and angling I have a very good stage (about 1/4 up the windscreen and about level with my demister vents on average). I've heard on civic in particular which had kick panel mounted drivers and sounded fantastic. Anyways, my advise is not to place the tweeter too close to you, you'll loose alot of your imaging and staging and you just won't enjoy it as much, and a pet hate for me is having one speaker that sounds louder that the others cos they're so close and you can hear it...
Hmmm, now my fingers hurt time for another drink..
raziel
Jun 20 2003, 11:23 PM
a pillars are best - but maroochycarsound's old civic vti-r had them in the air vents on top of the dash - worked ok but there are better spots if you want to make the effort ...
PER10D
Jun 21 2003, 12:08 AM
umm the a pillar is the part going along side the windscreen?? if so, would you advise putting it on the bottom or the top part of the a pillar?
i don't really have the money or expertise to make some decent kicks, so thats out of the question...
which one would be a better option. if there is one there that i haven't shown, let me know?
thanx
[ June 20, 2003, 22:19: Message edited by: bOreDKeNt (aka) PER10D ]
RTTZ
Jun 21 2003, 12:33 AM
First vote for location 4 and second location 3.
Location is imp but tunning the system is imp too - do your x overs have a -/+ 3 Db for the tweet? try that too.
Da'flea.
raziel
Jun 21 2003, 09:59 AM
option 3 looks good - will bring your stage up nice and high but as daflea says you may need to experiment with a -3dB attenuator on your crossover (if it has one) to take some harshness out of the sound - it just depends on how you like your sound
Chookman
Jun 21 2003, 12:41 PM
goin back to the vtir civic- my sisters boyfriend owns that car.. its go freakin awsome SQ, and also a bit of bass from the 4 15's in the boot
XHELL
Jun 21 2003, 01:18 PM
3 or 2..
PER10D
Jun 21 2003, 01:54 PM
Da'flea- yeh it does man, but to be honest i'm not really sure wot that does??
wot differnce does it make if its +/_ 3db?
Damon
Jun 22 2003, 02:30 AM
The one location not mentioned here but that has proven highly successful in competition over the years is the kickpanel. The Honda Civic's cabin and dash shape has always lent itself well to kickpanel mounting.
As your tweeter position moves from the kickpanel to the sail panel your stage height will improve whiule at the same time your left to right separation will dimish, as the higher positions are less equidistant to your ears in the sail panel location.
This is the classic tweeter position trade off for car audio.
I took advantage of the better left to right reproduction of kick panels for a few years, then gradually got sick and tired of the low sound stage and trialled the sail panel position, and even the top of the dash.
I've prefered the sail panel location for the past three years now, and am happy to stick with it.Why not experiment with the different positions yourself and see which you prefer?
PER10D
Jun 22 2003, 02:37 AM
QUOTE
i don't really have the money or expertise to make some decent kicks, so thats out of the question...
man i wish i had the cash to get some nice kicks made up, but not at the moment. and my skills aren't up to the challenge.
you mentioned the "sail panel position" where abouts is this exactly?
Zed
Jun 21 2003, 05:06 PM
Option 2 is the sail panel position.
XHELL
Jun 21 2003, 06:56 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by XHELL:
I've heard on civic in particular which had kick panel mounted drivers and sounded fantastic.
I mentioned dem.... But as your just mounting the tweeter there you wouln't have much difficulty making up some sort of basic mounting aid, what about a simple MDF baffle covered in vinyl/matching carpet and flush mounting the tweeter in there..??
RTTZ
Jun 21 2003, 10:22 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by bOreDKeNt (aka) PER10D:
Da'flea- yeh it does man, but to be honest i'm not really sure wot that does??
wot differnce does it make if its +/_ 3db?
The best i can explain that is -3db will somewhat quieten the tweet , i'd use -3db if the tweet sounds too "bright". And the +3db if the tweet sounds a bit "muddy" or soft. Experiment and see what u like the best.
Another tip that some will swear by is that a few layers of grill cloth will take the harshness off the tweet - don't know how that works...thought grill cloth was 'acousticaly transparent'.
Da'flea.
hipster105
Jun 22 2003, 02:25 AM
Not sure how much help this is, but I have the tweets placed in my kicks, but more to the point I have the exact same car as you.
The sound I get out of this is awesome with a nice deep sound stage and nice imaging. It didn't cost me that much to get done. All up I paid $600 to get my splits installed and that included the splits ($470) sound deadening and installation. You can do the math.
Anyway I probably haven't been much help, just offering my advice, as I was once like you, lost in the jungle that is car audio.
basic124
Jun 22 2003, 03:21 AM
based on my personal taste from listening to other ppls cars, go for option no 4...
i prefer to feel like i'm "in" teh sound, not "in front of"... but apparently teh idea is to create the "in front of" sound... meh...
the other thing is, the further away from you teh tweet is, the more places the soudn form it will reach... uhh... how to explain it...
ok.. you have a small maglite in your hand... you shine it on the floor whiel holdign it above your head. there is a relitively small beam on teh gground (it gradually fades out at the edges), if you then shine it at a wall 10 or 20 meters away, the beam will have a much wider diameter on the wall than it does on the floor. sure the bit in teh middle is a bit more faded on teh wall than on the floor cause its not as concentrated, but it allows you to see so much more. likewise with tweets (not as obvious, and unfortunatley you cant see it with your eyes.. grrr..), but if you have them further away from you, they will theoretically cover more area, and they wont be as "focused" for want of a better term, and will sound good in a wider variety of positions... thats my understanding anyway...
so again, i say position 4, or failing that, position 3, (position 4 gets preference cause its still a bit further away fro you, and you get a better chance at angling it right, and it wont sound as "in your face") but be careful if you get a loser cop cause theoretically you can be defected for ANYTHIGN mounted on teh A pillars... but like with most things you'd have ot have a real bastard cop, and they aint all that bad (as we've all discovered at one point or another)
good luck
nick
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