battousai
Aug 3 2003, 09:05 PM
I own a Brax 2400 but have not heard an audison.
I have heard many good things abpout the Ausdison so i was wondering if there was anyone out there who has heard both and could give me an opinion about them both.
KraSE
Aug 3 2003, 11:41 PM
Which brax amp is it. I would personally stay with the brax because I have always had a soft spot for them
Also where did you get the Kimber Kable? Do you use there RCAs aswell?
KraSE
battousai
Aug 4 2003, 12:43 PM
i got the kimber kble from indonesia but i got the RCAs from Audioart. Goodstuff but expensive.
its the braided home audio cable yep?
would it being not being shielded have problems being near metal/magnetic fields?
RM Audio
Aug 4 2003, 08:13 PM
There was a review done by Car Audio & Electronics in the USA a couple of years ago on a Brax vs Audison ( A Series 0 unit was used. ] ) .
I do not recall the specific models but the Audison was a VRx.
Both amps got a rave review.
At the conclusion they said
Both amplifiers were excellent, to give a clear winner is near impossible, but to draw a comparison the Brax amplifier was like a technical drawing, very precise with detailed sound, whilst the Audison was more like one of the old masters wonderful oil painting with a lot of emotion, feeling, and full of detail.
Both amps are excellent it comes down to a person choice in purchasing and dollars.
Phil K
[ August 04, 2003, 18:14: Message edited by: RM Audio ]
DD Phil
Aug 4 2003, 08:39 PM
With equipment this good, you don't have to worry about making a wrong decision by purchasing either one!
Phil
Fudd
Aug 5 2003, 09:07 PM
NUTTTR
Aug 5 2003, 10:11 PM
Provo
Aug 5 2003, 10:45 PM
I up'd from Alpine to a Vrx... and I can say that it did have a fair improvement...more detail, depth, general detail... a great amp!
pwoida
Aug 5 2003, 11:06 PM
German for the build, Italian for the design just like cars...
adrianf
Aug 5 2003, 11:23 PM
how about throwing a tru tech into the picture.
brax x2400 vs C7 vs others
RM Audio
Aug 10 2003, 03:12 AM
Tru Tech is just an American sounding amp, and if you need that explained then you are absolutly in the wrong conversation area.
Phil K
foxey
Aug 10 2003, 05:24 AM
It seems unfair to dismiss the tru because it is an "american" sounding amp. The older model soundstream amps are some of the best that i have ever had the pleasure of listening too, including the audison vrx series, and these amps are "american" sounding. Should you not base an amp on the quality of the sound as opposed to the type of sound (i.e. american, german, italian etc...)?
SQrx7
Aug 10 2003, 07:17 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by RM Audio:
Tru Tech is just an American sounding amp, and if you need that explained then you are absolutly in the wrong conversation area.
Phil K
Please explain. How is american sound different from say German sound or Italian sound from an amp?
Moderators - if this question belongs in "the wrong conversation area" please move it to the correct conversation area.
Thanx.
EDZ
Aug 10 2003, 09:06 PM
Moderators are off duty, coz today is Sunday
Nah, just joke.
Probly being American amp, Tru tech. is SPL purposed without sacrifice it's Sound Quality off course. But here, when Battousai was trying get our opinion to compare his Brax amp and Audison amp (being European amps), their sound quality is the question, but both amp can play loud too.
That was even happened when you buy the home speaker, probly the salesman/woman will ask "do you have American or European taste in music ?"
[ August 10, 2003, 22:53: Message edited by: EDZ ]
Bassaholic
Aug 10 2003, 09:51 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by SQrx7:
Please explain. How is american sound different from say German sound or Italian sound from an amp?
Psychoacoustics.
It comes from America, therefore it sounds "American".
*ducks incoming flames*
Seriously though, lets assume for a second that these are not hi-fidelity amplifiers. (Ie assuming that the manufacurer/designer *deliberately* gave them an audibly different tone, or whatever)
What is there to stop an american manufacturer from producing an "european" sound amplifier?
battousai
Aug 11 2003, 01:05 AM
i didnt mean to start a debate on american sounding or european sounding amps. just wanted to know if any one has heard both and can gimme a comparison.
but just thoughti would add in that i use to have an adcom gfa-4404 which is a true class a american amp and it kicked the **** out of my brax in terms of clarity and warmth. the only problem was that its in my car in indo and i dont want to take it out plus they dont make them anymore. sob
so there, americans can make really good amps as well. but among class a/b amps such as i thought the brax is pretty sik but everybody in oz is so crazy about audison so i got curious. i too wonder what the hr-100 'the amplifier' sounds like hehe.
but i think i caused enough trouble sorry.
RM Audio
Aug 11 2003, 02:44 AM
At 00:30 AM on a Monday morning I'll give you a brief answer.
Think of a Ferrari and a Dodge Viper, both excellent mussle cars both corner well, both made well, etc etc.
One screams, hey I am an American V whatever mussle car hear me raw! The Ferrari just sings a pretty tune.
Its a bit the same with amps, look I am not saying they are less of an amp than Brax or Audison, just that the way the Europeans ie Italy and Germany make the very top end amps is a little different to the way the Yanks make em.
There is a different feel, a different warmth it is subtle and not all people notice it, but it is there!
Phil K
adrianf
Aug 11 2003, 02:48 AM
haha why are you apologising battousai, i think it was more my doing than yours
i just thought you might be interested in how your brax did against some other high end sq brands in a well conducted blind a b test. hope you found the read of benifit.
anyway i'm far less an sq expert than many on these forums but i am of the opinion that a true sq amp should only do what it is meant to do by definition, amplify! if it changes a signal into something that can recognised from a specific country, then isn't that colourising the sound?
that being said, i haven't heard either a brax, audison or tru.
just read your post phil
QUOTE
Its a bit the same with amps, look I am not saying they are less of an amp than Brax or Audison, just that the way the Europeans ie Italy and Germany make the very top end amps is a little different to the way the Yanks make em.
There is a different feel, a different warmth it is subtle and not all people notice it, but it is there!
point taken.
[ August 11, 2003, 00:55: Message edited by: adrianf ]
STIK79
Aug 11 2003, 11:50 AM
Sin wave in * amplification = bigger sin wave out.. (+ distortion) only way it changes is if one amplifier "colours" the sound more than the other - but then it becomes more of a signal processor than an amplifier doesn't it
(of course this is assuming a similar transient response from the amplifiers - slew rate etc etc)
An amps an amp (within a similar price range - obviously cheaper amps have dodgy short cuts like crapty power supplies).
Grab 5 amplifiers from the same price range from all over the world and if ANYONE can pick the five amplifiers continuously and there place of origin then bloody i'll give you 1K on top of the 10K that dude in the US is giving away... hell if people can't pick the diff between an avantgarde and an audison then
BTW I went from a Japanese amplifier (alpine 1507) to Zapco (american) and buggered if I can hear any difference - nor did I expect to - I'm a realist - I paid the money simply for the little zapco symbol (and the fact it's one sexy mofo )
These are just MHO's - must just be conincidence that no-one has walked off with the 10K yet hey
QUOTE
Originally posted by RM Audio:
There is a different feel, a different warmth it is subtle and not all people notice it, but it is there!
Some people just WANT to hear it maybe we should have a more mathematical measurement akin to THD that measures signal in vs signal out to measure their "colouration" surely this would put to bed this "psycho accoustics" vs "it's really there - i must have better ears than you" crap....
[ August 11, 2003, 09:55: Message edited by: STIK79 ]
RM Audio
Aug 11 2003, 12:55 PM
QUOTE
Grab 5 amplifiers from the same price range from all over the world and if ANYONE can pick the five amplifiers continuously and there place of origin then bloody i'll give you 1K on top of the 10K that dude in the US is giving away... hell if people can't pick the diff between an avantgarde and an audison then
I am not interested in trying to preach to the experts !
Phil K
STIK79
Aug 11 2003, 01:19 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by RM Audio:
quote:
Grab 5 amplifiers from the same price range from all over the world and if ANYONE can pick the five amplifiers continuously and there place of origin then bloody i'll give you 1K on top of the 10K that dude in the US is giving away... hell if people can't pick the diff between an avantgarde and an audison then
Phil K
No... Just those who don't know any better
mick007
Aug 11 2003, 01:58 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! This thread is REALLY FUNNY!! I work in a customs brokarage and to explain to the people who preach about where an amp is made....
Counry of Origin: The last place of significant manafacture.
This means that I can build a amp in Thialand do everything but put the heatsink on and send it to Italy, Germany, Switserland etc and that is the lable E.G. made in ...... on it. I like that the 'american sounding amp' doesn't compare to the smooth sutble sounds of it's overseas counterparts.
Phil don't baffle us with utter crap mate, an amp sounds how it sounds, if audioson moved to Asia using the same components would it sound the same??? I think it would. Oh and for the record how many parts e.g power supplies, boards, transisters, etc are 100% made in Itaty and not in asia, and then ASSEMBLED in Italy.
Mick
RM Audio
Aug 12 2003, 02:19 AM
With age comes wisdom.
And one of the most important pieces of wisdom I have learnt in 42+ years on this planet (and 26+ years working in the car audio and home audio industry) is never argue with a fool, because a fools knowledge of everything is just so complete and you will never convince him otherwise!
Phil K
[ August 12, 2003, 01:06: Message edited by: RM Audio ]
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