i'd doubt that, he lives in Perth...

Also, didnt Angelo's car post reasonably high SPL scores for a SQ car??

Angelo never entered a SPL contest but did measure it once for fits and giggles. He only did 150 which is OK for an SQ car with AP mats that cant go loud (Im told)
peace
Cyberpunky

How does this car rate against other SQ cars around the world?

He got the cover of Car Audio and electronics mag in the USA which gives an indicator of how highly this car was regarded. It scored the highest scores ever recorded in IASCA in this country.

It was built thru Angelo consulting constantly with Richard Clark and hence his choice of components like the horn drivers(radian), and Apogee DAC(same as mine ). This is the same DAC RC used in the buick.

Anyway we will never know how it would compare side by side with cars from the US but it sure wouldnt be disgraced by any means, and may have even beaten some of the best cars there. Who knows.
peace
cyberpunky

Í for one am eagerly awaiting his re-built to 5.1 style.

Maybe Marc could do something along an all time Top Ten SQ feature in the car audio mag? Only problem is disputes though. I nominate Angelo.

Rich

[ September 21, 2003, 22:11: Message edited by: R ]

Hi its Angelo ! Finally got a computer spent toooooooooooo much money on car audio. I'm happy to answer any questions i can. Please remember a lot of my car was secret because even though i was in amature class i wanted to beat the pros. Since im not competing i'll share any info. The car is still crusing but only done 5,000 kms since 2001. I'm considering selling it and finding it a proper home.

^^^ Angelo finally made it!

angelo

does the car still have the same setup ? or did cyberpunky's rumoured 5.1 system ever eventuate ?

someone needs to scan and post the incar article (or something similar) so I can get to read it (never did see that one) - thanks

I recall seeing the car - but can't remember if it was at an iasca event in sydney or melbourne (brain is very fuzzy going back that far) I think I've been to way too many car audio shows over the years

Welcome Angelo... you are well overdue around here. You'll see I started this thread chasing information on your system over four years ago, and only now am I getting anywhere near! LOL

I'm running a 7939 (may have been owned by you at some stage I am led to believe), and I also had the same Veritas / Radian HLCD's as you but sold them at a later date. I now have the Veritas HLCD's with standard compression drivers and am quite happy with them. Incidentally I bought a E36 also simply for the fact that I knew they would fit in thanks to you

Having some problems at the moment getting the PPI DAC to Sync with the Digital output, but then feeding into a Audiocontrol MVC. Using Diamond Audio D7 amplifiers and a Diamond Audio 12" TDX subwoofer. Its slowly getting there but biggest issues at the moment as I said are the DAC firing up, and EQ. I am using a modified Behringher Stereo 15 band but having noise issues with it so it's bypassed for the time being.

Have to catch up and pick your brains

Hi everyone. Still learning. 5.1 tried it but l believe my sounds better as original. Upgrades putting ALPINE fold out screen and seperate dvd player where my 7939 and climate control was.relocatind the climate control to the center consol. Added orion deq30 but ran 130 YES 130 wires to tha ashtray for control 4 zones . SPL, SQ, OLD MUSIC(NO BASE), TOORAK CRUZING.
How much voltage output on the PPI DAC ? Apogee has **** loads remember back in1996 it was $8000 now there only $1600. The EQ sounds as you have a ground loop. R the EQ and amps XLR ins and outs? If not there is your problem. Thats WHY i have soundstreams. Next ALWAYS test all equipment out of the car before you even consider using it in your car. REMEMBER i learnt a lot from the pros in proffesional sound reenforcement . They applied their knowledge to a very missinformed car audio crowd , and made a lot of money. There is the plan FIRST then use the knowledge and YOU WILL WIN. I am not concerned by brands but what and how they bo it. I will scan my mags sooon.

Remember my horns have a 1.5 inch throat and HUGE radians or are they? They have to be crossed very low mine 300 hertz or else you will comprimise center vocal.but if the compression drivers are small you will **** them. Mid base has to be the biggest 9 inch MY SPL on horns and midbase 128 db. They WILL deafen you its not like 128 of bass. Mids crossed as low as possible 80 hertz. The box for the midbass is the sill panel which has been sealed to give 1.5 cubic feet. NOONE knew that !

Ask and i'll help. :hehe:

BUY THE WAY how the hell do you add all the details of your system?
Veritas horns 1.5 inch
Focal midbass 9 inch
Strokers 15 inch
ap mats
Alpine 1005 cva ( import american BLACK )
Alpine dvd ( import american BLACK )
Noise gate
Orion DEQ
USD (rane EQ )
USD (rane xover )
Brax caps
audio control MVC
Apogee DAC
4 SOUNDSTREAM AMPS
Custom fuse blocks
Streetwires power cables and speaker wires.
AND SORRY BUT 0.10 cents/meter interconnect wire

Great to see you on here Angelo
i dont know if you remember me (bruce mate the fibreglasser)
but hope to see you around some time

(i got the USD Pro 15)

Any chance you can post some pics of the car as it is today ?
Very interested

Hey Angelo, great to see you here...it will save me answering for you...well what I could anyway lol bout time you got a computer bud
peace
Punky

hi angelo. how do you think the strokers rate compared to today's subwoofers (eg. re xxx, dd0, brahma)?

that just made my day (and it's only 8:30am )

welcome abord Angelo!!

i like what you said about using the Soundstream amp's that you had to use them cause of the output voltage on the Apogee. most people on here buy amp's based on how much magic poweder is inside it, yet you achived what you did buy getting and amp that did what you needed it to do.. not cause of how rare it is or any other reason..

Subs have beeeeeeeeeeeeen around for a long time . If you were to use them the way i do (AP matt) and low Q value and high power ability they will sound all the same. My subs play flatttttttttttttt 25 to 80 hz , whether the windows are open or not.




Hi. Thanks mate. So true. Ive been always amazed why people select products. Education is a powerfull thing and i say it as it is. Unfortunately i upset a lot of sale reps. My equipment might have cost a lot BUT they were selected for their attributes. Believe me i spent **** loads more before the BMW. Sorry i try to hard to be perfect and my install points proved it.But me myself and i were the hardest judge ! Car audio is a business but have alwaysssssssssssssssss offered to help anyone who will listen to me.


Im new to the computer ! My mate has to do it .


Hi buddy
Doesn't anyone use their names. Do i know them ?Maybe i should call myself
THE PENNY HAS DROPPED :hehe:

Hey ANgelo...no ppl use nic names for a few reasons..one being so ppl cant look em up in phone book and come around and steal there stuff lol

cyberpunky = Bruce

angelo do you see any benefits in using AP mats for 9s as midbasses?

also with the 1.5cu ft sill boxes - did you work that size out using software to get a qtc of 0.7ish? where were your 9s actually mounted?

Yes using ap matts is Very good with midbass. There is a hell of a lot of information in that frequency covered by them. Mine are in the front in the kick panels and the air behind them ports into a sealed sill panel. They can work in the rear quater panels but harder to do. With mid base it is very important to have very close path lenght differences.
The enclosures have to be VERY small . No programs needed.
You need heaps amp power.
Anything else just ask.
Most people use small midbass and rely on subs but it will be boomy.
My mid bass get the most amp power ! 500 rms each side.
I dont like them in the doors you get phase problems. Thats whey i bought the BMW b/c they have the biggest kickpanels than any other car , neary 15 inches !

How about making a small fibreglass enclosure in the front doors. Would that change things?
Or sound deadening and sealing the doors is plenty enough?

Tiger the phase issues are due to them firing across at each other and the distances involved. Kicks and even floor mounting avoids this. As Angelo points out, its hard in kicks due to space, but obviously thats one of the best posistions if you can do it.
peace
Cyberpunky

So obviously building out on the doors and getting them to fire in the direction of the passenger's face on the opposite side would fix that problem. I know it's restricted if you want to stay within the door cavities.

asking about the software and qtc was in reference to ur focal mids - not AP mats. should have made that clearer. because 1.5cu ft seems a pretty big enclosure for a midbass even a 9. was this due to the specs of the focal driver, or were you seeking to replicate an infinite baffle situation by having the biggest encolsure possible?

using ap mats in a midbass situation- if the mat is place on the basketside of the driver, is it sufficient to completely seal the front wave from the rear? will some leakage lead to a large loss of midbass?
why didn't you choose to use ap matts for ur mid drivers as well as the subs?

Correct on second i wanted to replicate an infinite baffel with the mechanical control ot the matt. WELL DONE :thumb:
yes the matt can and i did put it on the basket . The seal is completed by mounting the speaker on a pod.
For better control of the speakers.
Remember a certain amount of sensitivity loss in ap matt and equalizing is required BUT the responce is out of this world !
Withe themechanical control results are very predictable and constant. It doesn't matter if your windows of doors are open !




Well done thanks mate :thumb: