Andu
Feb 14 2003, 12:28 PM
Don't mean to copy dB-Drag in any way but do we really need a 10+ class? Even if there were people running 10+ subs I wouldn't be worried going up against them with only 5-9 subs
And lots of people like building single sub systems and would bring a Hardcore class car to the low budget people. So maybe classes could be
Hardcore 1
Hardcore 2
Hardcore 3-4
Hardcore 5+
What do you guys think? although I think it would be fairer and more enjoyable that way it makes the classes look uneven lol
Marc
Feb 14 2003, 12:35 PM
Good point, we are a much smaller country.
I think we would almost still merge 1-2 as well though?
HARDCORE 1-2
HARDCORE 3-4
HARDCORE 5+
[ February 14, 2003, 10:58: Message edited by: Mr_Bob ]
Mr_Bob
Feb 14 2003, 12:39 PM
yup,
i agree, plus with such limited competitors in this category, the fewer classes the better.
i think there should be very few rules
somethign like:
70% of cabin volume must be retained
viewable area of 500cm X 500CM minimum out driver's side of windscreen.
rules about a place for the mic,
rules about not interfering with the mic
interior must approximate that of a vehicle, and must be able to be realistically driven by a 6" adult
no part of the enclosure infront of B pillar (to stop ppl having port exits next to the mic )
let them go nutz on bracing, they've only got 30% of the cabin space to work with anyway. and bracing is included in that displacement.
and modify the rules as we go.
we haven't seen much competition over here, so it's hard to tell where the rules will be manipulated, that's a we'll sort it out as we go kinda thing.
besides it's an open class anyway.
i doubt there'll be more than 10 or 20 hardcore runs in the 1st year of CAAdB, as there are VERY few hardcore cars in Oz. so if the rules aren't tight, it doens't matter, competition won't be that fierce that ppl will be trying to bend the rules.
then adjust them next season
Mr_Bob
Feb 14 2003, 12:59 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by Marc Rushton:
Good point, we are a much smaller country.
I think we would almost still merge 1-2 as well though?
HARDCORE 1-2
HARDCORE 3-4
HARDCORE 5+
actually i agree with Andu,
a one woofer class would be good, for backyarders,
omst of the cost of an extreme vehicle is the subs/amps, if you're running 2 subs instead of 1, that's potentially a second sub ($2k) and 4 more amps ($6k)
i think we'll have alot more private entries if we have a single woofer class, as it's more affordable.
Marc
Feb 14 2003, 01:03 PM
I'm not saying cease discussion, but as stated in one of the other threads, we need to focus our energy on getting STOCK and MODIFIED classes perfect for AutoExpo.
HARDCORE is going to have a seperate set of rules and guidelines for after AutoExpo.
QUOTE
Originally posted by Mr_Bob:
i think there should be very few rules
somethign like:
70% of cabin volume must be retained
viewable area of 500cm X 500CM minimum out driver's side of windscreen.
rules about a place for the mic,
rules about not interfering with the mic
interior must approximate that of a vehicle, and must be able to be realistically driven by a 6" adult
no part of the enclosure infront of B pillar (to stop ppl having port exits next to the mic )
let them go nutz on bracing, they've only got 30% of the cabin space to work with anyway. and bracing is included in that displacement.
I don't think you should have a 70% of origional size rule. what is the standard size of a 76 civic 4 door wagon??, I have no idea and car't find out any more, My is already 30% smaller and will be easily under half the origional size.
the should be no rules on what you can do to the cabin as long as you can still fit a avg sized person on both passanger and drivers side.
Mr_Bob
Feb 14 2003, 03:17 PM
and what if someone wanted to put a divider between the passenger and driver's side?
so the actual firing enclosure was only on the passenger (mic) side.
QUOTE
Originally posted by Mr_Bob:
and what if someone wanted to put a divider between the passenger and driver's side?
so the actual firing enclosure was only on the passenger (mic) side.
the high of the console will be restricted stopping this.
and what u describe is pretty much a console port cabin design for a extreme car
WRXCORE
Feb 14 2003, 06:09 PM
I like the idea of Hardcore 1, 2 ,3-4 and 5+ as this is suppose to be the uber class and ppl should be able to show wat they can do with just 1 sub, ofcourse being the 1st outing for these rules a good discussion after the event with feedback on all the results could then decide wat divisions are viable etc.
Kramy
Feb 16 2003, 11:41 PM
Should I wait for the hardcore rules before rebuilding my system then. I am going to be running eight 15s in a van. Are the rules going to be fairly flexible for the hardcore (idiot) class.
ripped
Feb 17 2003, 12:01 AM
kramy, your van is too soft to be hardcore. you would be in the modified 5+ class.
Kramy
Feb 18 2003, 11:20 PM
looking at a few new ideas for the van. 1, put a wall in and seal of the front. 2, keep at six woofers at this stage and run six amps. 3, have eight subs and eight amps. Not sure on what type of battery power i will be running. But there some of the ideas i have at the moment.
ripped
Feb 19 2003, 12:17 PM
bugger it, go 8 subs + 8 amps. your amps are dual 4 right? how are you going to wire up the amps? strapped at 1ohm per pair?and just get a whole train load of 8V batteries to run the 16V+ setup, no alt. get a couple more of those hardcore battery chargers while you're at it too. hehe
[ February 19, 2003, 10:20: Message edited by: rippedskin ]
Craig Handley
Feb 20 2003, 07:15 PM
As far as 'hardcore' rules go, I would be very specific. These cars are the biggest investment in time and money in dB competition, and typically difficult to change once built ( ie. cement floors...). I think it pays to closely approximate dB drag rules too, giving the builder the widest choice of events to compete it.
I can't see a hardcore competitor building a car to suit loose rules and then being told next year 'oh, youre car is no longer eligible to compete'. It's not like he can put it back on the road - they are single purpose vehicles.
Craig Handley
Marc
Feb 20 2003, 07:25 PM
Of course Craig, I agree, that's why I will be developing the HARDCORE rules in conjunction with members AFTER the first event, and they will have their own complete document.
They will approximate the dB Drag rules as closely as possible for the reasons you mentioned.
hardon
Feb 20 2003, 07:48 PM
(without pissing Wayne off!)
(my 2 cents...)
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