How did Rich (Basshead) go?

oy, dr evil you big girl, instead of picking up my spelling mistakes, post those FULLY SIK pix that you were taking all weekend, hahaha

shiny car for a matter of interest i thought novice show had a section for display,
i may be incorrect but i dont remember our car being judged for display.
wat is the point of having a show class when all the cars are outside where no display is possible.

another problem i found with the way the show was run is the judges having close friendships with the competitors.
i feel that a biased decision was made when my car was judged.
The judges commented on strong bass and the system being out of balance when the pro winner is running nearly identical components and sounds exactly the same and we came 20 points apart.

Spud, we met these "close friends" the day of the comp, so not sure how that could be considered a close relationship. We judged it how we heard it, and your car sounded very different to the pro class winner. Your sub bass was way to heavy which as we ewxplained is fine for cruising round, but meant the system was not spectrally balanced. The Pro class winners car was not at all bass heavy. So on spectral balance alone was completly different to your car. I wont get into other differences but they were numerous.

The systems may have been similar but were tuned very differently, and to your untrained ears may sound similar but to our trained ears, there were distinct differences.

Anyway I am sorry you didnt enjoy the event, but to accuse the judging team of bias is not warranted. I have judged many hundreds of cars over the years and never once been accused of bias, and find it highly offensive that choose to do so. Your car didnt sound as good as the cars that beat you, and your install was not up to the same standard of these cars either.

Your car used factory locations for speakers while the cars that beat you had custom mountings that meant they had superior imaging and staging to what you could expect from your factory locations.

As to the issue of display, no cars where awarded any points for this as obviously the public did not have access to some of the vehicles.
peace
Cyberpunky

Show class simply means cars are judged for install as well as how it sounds, and has nothing to do with being on display. Street class has no install judging done and is purely on how it sounds.
peace
Cyberpunky

Further to this, Judges decisions are final, and these forums SHOULD NOT be used as a "please explain" for individual cases.

If there is a problem you would like explained, please email myself or another CAAASCA representative.

The event was one of the fairest sound quality competitions in a long time. This was the feedback from all competitors. Don't be clutching at straws throwing accusations around like "bias". Think before you speak, as loose comments like that will see the demise of CAAASCA [CAASQ] just like all formats before it.

Take the criticism, and use it to your advantage to come back and beat your opposition at the next competition.

If you in Sydney, along with the winning entrants, why not message them through these forums and audition their vehicles yourself to see where you can make improvements. The judging sheet CAAASCA [CAASQ] uses is available for download on this website for your reference.

Nine times out of ten, it isn't the equipment used, it's how well the installation and tuning has been executed.

just a side note u cant say jack about bias judges

if im corect mick rigney jugded summernats with xtream (no offence guys but uses no SFA about SQ stick to SPL)
and what happen i think every car done at nowra hifi that was entered got a trophy

im with punkyon this , how many true SQ cars in the states do u see with a STALTH system they are all motoriesed amp racks and lots of glass

any ass clown can spend $10000 on gear and stick it in stock locatons u mite think it sounds good but bob or john may think it sounds up to ****

go t-bro YULLAH

no, as CP mentioned, no cars were judged for this on the day as it was not relevant for most of the entrants (being judged out the back). apologies of we did not clarify that for you on the day.

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i feel that a biased decision was made when my car was judged.
The judges commented on strong bass and the system being out of balance when the pro winner is running nearly identical components and sounds exactly the same and we came 20 points apart.

there certainly was no 'friendship bias' involved whatsoever.

unfortunately you probably did not get the opportunity to audition those cars that scored better than yourself in your class. however, i'm sure the likes of t-bro would be more than happy to demonstrate his system if you catch up with him.

you system simply did not display the SQ of the better cars, end of story. perhaps the judging disc we used demonstrated the weaknesses of your system which less-well-recorded music does not.

as marc mentioned, feel free to contact him or myself/cyberpunky for more feedback.

Yep, I reckon such insinuations are outta line.
Being nice to competitors is a good thing and certainly CP had never even met any of the competitors prior to the morning of judging.

CP and I don't see eye to eye on a few things (all good....) but I will certainly doff me lid to him on how he went about things and did the job.
First class, not a bit less.

Can I get a copy of my score sheet?

Dion.

DrEvil, I managed a 3rd place in Novice (not Show). I think 2nd place was a car entered into the main show.

I knew I had faults in my system and just haven't had the time to rectify them, and with my ear situation, I was unable to tune it properly before the event. T-Bro kindly auditioned mine before judging so I could ask him a few questions on how it sounded (it's hard to describe sound quality terms ).

I was hoping we wouldn't have any wet weather as I always seem to get alternator whine in wet weather, and up to 2 weeks afterwards, which I can never seem to pinpoint. Even with the amplifiers running off a "floating" battery setup, I was still getting the noise. My midrange speakers don't have sealed baffles (so you can hear the backwave) and therefore they sound very hollow - especially on female vocals.

I did expect the level of sub-bass to be OK, but according to Punky, it was still overpowering, even on the absolute lowest setting I could set it to, with just one Magma12 Maybe I should've just turned the SUBW off and left the 8's in the doors to look after sub-bass

Medion got 3rd in Show.

I'd like a copy of my score sheet as well please, Marc.

[ March 19, 2003, 22:36: Message edited by: basshead ]

Hope no one gets discuraged...
we tried to point out as much as we could to all competitors to let you guys know were your strong points are and were your week points are.

Use this advice to make it sound better as you all had good equipment and its just a matter of fine tuning

Basshead, not knowing exactly the settings on your sub amp maybe try a couple of things
1: use a lower x-over point for SQ days and change it as you had it for everyday cruising try anywere between 50-70Hz

2: if the sub is rear loaded add some delay to it, you have the PXA H600 so play with it as much as you can till it sounds nice

3: if the sub is rear loaded try aiming it forward...

4: Find which frequancy in the sub bass is loudest and use the parametric eq to tone it down

what you want to acheive as a nice blending system were not one thing is louder than any other...find this setting and store it on one of your presets on the PXA-H600 then have other settings for every day cruising...

John,
I had it crossed at 200Hz on the amlifier (as Alpine recommended in PXA manual) then put it all the way down to 50Hz on the PXA's crossover.

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2: if the sub is rear loaded add some delay to it, you have the PXA H600 so play with it as much as you can till it sounds nice

I did save 4 settings the night before the competition and ended up using the one with the least amount of bass. Sub was side-loaded (to centre of the boot, not to the side of the boot)

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3: if the sub is rear loaded try aiming it forward...

That's a good idea. Also it might be worth mentioning tbat the PXA manual states that it's not recommended for use with a ported box

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4: Find which frequancy in the sub bass is loudest and use the parametric eq to tone it down

It sounded very boomy when I had the PXA also left on 200Hz instead of 50Hz.

The only other thing I could've done to make sub-bass quieter is to turn the gain down on the amplifier, which I probably should've done. I'll probably try no sub at all for the next competition before I start changing my gains all the time

Thanks for your comments, John.

I wouldn't take the sub out.....and what the manual for the PXa tells you is not always the best option for your car

200Hz is way to high.....
start with 70Hz turn gain all the way down have a friend sit in the car and slowly turn it up till it is blending well with the rest of the system

When's the next sq comp being held? looks like i'll be driving to melb i think BAH! it'll be worth it
Aaron