bagga
Mar 13 2003, 03:04 PM
my bro is think'n about ditching his 4 xplod 12's and getting 2 powerplant 12's if the xplod's don't perform on the meter to his liking. would the 2 powerplant 12's get 150dB, his car is a kingcab ute?
Loudrolla
Mar 13 2003, 03:33 PM
I think it all depends on what kind of power he has & the setup. I have got 146.7dB out of my 2 15inch power plants but thats with pretty standard amps. Im getting a couple of D class's soon and that number should rise significantly. But other than that there good subs in my opinion.
Bodyjar
Mar 13 2003, 06:49 PM
I'd have to say.... NO...
Depending on what meter of course, if it's dB Drag meter, then I highly doubt it, if its the CAAdB meter, then I can safely so no!
How much power does he have? to get close, you're going to need a fair bit, say 2000wrms+ and a fairly large box...
The loudest car in Australia with 2x12"s at the moment, is barely cracking 150's so its not as easy as it seems...
BlackIce
Mar 13 2003, 07:50 PM
Anything's do-able with enough money, time and if you're willing to tollerate it sounding like scuzz for music...
But I'll go with Bodyjar and say its not as easy as everyone thinks..
for the money .. you spend on getting 2x 12's .. you can easy get a jonah 12 .. or 15 .. but im gunne have to say i think 2x12's power plant's .. with lot's of power .. will do some good number's .... im not saying .. it will do 150's .. it might do 145 but hey .. they are grate sub's .. and love power
bagga
Mar 14 2003, 10:14 AM
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How much power does he have?
he was gunna run two jaycar 4x100's briged to give 300RMS (330RMS according to a bench test done in a magazine, can't remember which one) to each coil. the subs are 900w max, so i'm guessing that's about 450RMS.
i'll let him read what you peeps have said, than i'll see what he thinks.
you say .. 330rms to each coil .... 2 x power plant's ARE DVC so that' 330rms x 4 ... all up that 1320 rms to the 2 sub's ... am i not right here or did i miss something... but also tell your bro to look at the f-12's .. but they are only SVC so only 330x 2 660 rms .. and 1 spear amp ? 330rms to a f-12 will bring the house car down. but after all this a jonah will stilll be top cake .. im not sure is you can do this but ....a jonah 12 is DVC ... you got 2x 4 channle amp's so brige them down so 2 channle of each amp .. then run the 2 channle's from one amp .. to one voic coil and the outher 2 chanlle to the outer voic coil.. still doing 1320 rms to a single 12 joahn .. your bro's car WILL FALL APART
p.s before you try that thing with the jonah's .. can somebody tell me can you do that with a amp .. like run 2 briged channle's to 1 voic coil ....
DO NOT TRY THIS UNTILL SOMEBODY TELL"S YOU IF YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT BLOWING ANYTHING
Bodyjar
Mar 14 2003, 05:21 PM
If the subs are dual 4ohm coils, he can do as he said, bridging a pair of channels to each coil. That will be optimal. And 1300wrms or so will be plenty of power to get them rocking! But 150's is still a big ask!
Its taken Andu I dont know how long to hit 150+ on the Doran meter, and thats with L7's (more cone area) and 2000+wrms! So it isnt an easy thing just to wack in a box and do 150... I too have also faced this problem...
bagga
Mar 14 2003, 07:36 PM
it would be only 660RMS to one jonah lomu, that would be good for the 10" but the 12" would probably ask for more.
bodyjar your not trying to blow this fella's amp are you .. lol hahaha
but if bodyjar say's you can do it ...go for it .. get a jonah 12 .. and run it the way i said before .. and you will be pumping ... 150's no .... but 147's and 148'8 are for sure .. IN A GOOD BOX AND A GOOD SIZE car .. what car and what sort of box with this be going in to
... you said first that it's a 4 channle amp ... so when it's in briged mode you then have 2 channle's ........ so 330 rms + 330 rms = 660 rms .... and that's for 1 amp ... so do that agian for the seconds amp 330 + 330 = 660rms
.... 660 + 660 +1320 rms .. am i rong ..
Bodyjar
Mar 14 2003, 11:01 PM
Yeah but for only ONE Jonah, then you only get two coils to play with, so only 660wrms...
.. ohh k we are a lil lost ...
i mean haveing 1 jonah DVC 4 ohm ..... now he has 2 x 4 channle amp's .. so all up .. on his firsted amp .. bridge in to 2 channle's and run bouth of them to 1 coil ..... and the second amp do the same ? it's hard to explane
bagga
Mar 15 2003, 10:13 AM
dB_king, you can't do that, i understand what you're saying, bridge, say channels 1 n' 2 then 3 n' 4, then take the positive of each bridged channel and wack em both in the +ve terminal, then do the same with the -ve. i'm not sure what would happen, but it wouldn't be good. actually, i think i may have tried someth'n simmilar with my home stereo, cant remember weather it didn't make any difference of protect came on, it didn't make it any better. he doesn't have the amp's yet, it's just the proposed system.
ohh k then
well a nice jonah .. will only need around 1k to do some full bass pumping in your car ... im not saying that 2 power plant's wont be good ... 2 power plant's will have big xmax so move's alot of air .. is the box going to be ported or sealed .. you betta say ported or i wont be happy.. also if your bro like's fusion .. he REALLY should wait till the 2003 stuff come's out... but if not ... the fusion power plant's have just come out in a new modle.. so make sure you get the new model.. how to tell old model to new model.. on the voice coil .. the old one's just have the 2 wires going from were you conect + and the - and you can see the 2 wires that just conect to the subv cone .. right .. wel the new model .. dont have that wire .. the 2 wires are now ran alon on top of the spider .. sorry if it's hard but ohh well .....and THERE will be new model jonah's come out ... but tell your bro or let him real this .. if he want's bass ... look at a jonah .... or something eles .. sure your power plant's will be FU*king loud .. but if you get 2 pp your gunna need a amp 1 ohm stable so at least $ 1500 for a new amp ..jonah you can 2 ohm most amp's are 2 ohm .. and i think you give the same power to a jonah and it will win.. i have on order my jonah 12 .. and for bas ill be runing around 3000rms to it .. for normal driveing only 1500rms jonah's are rated at 1300 rms MAX .. so ill runa good 3000 to it and see how it goes. let us know if your bor has any qustion's
bagga
Mar 20 2003, 08:24 PM
late reply "rms MAX", WTF? is that a typo, it beter be. he doesn't wanna falk out that much for a jonah, he wants 2 12's to stay in the street 1-2 ( i think class b)
Bodyjar
Mar 20 2003, 09:21 PM
He'd be in Street A class, and yeah, if he wants to make a run at it, getting the 2x12's will be better... I can't see the 12" Jonah getting louder than 2 Powerplants...
ripped
Mar 20 2003, 11:25 PM
god damn... i know english is my second language and all, but i think the majority of caa members would say that reading db_king's replies are a nightmare.
anyway, back on topic. getting 150 on any meter with 2 12's in a ute will be difficult. you have to think about space considerations, you might be better off making a sealed wall and cram it full of sony subs
hardon
Mar 21 2003, 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by rippedskin:
[QB]god damn... i know english is my second language and all, but i think the majority of caa members would say that reading db_king's replies are a nightmare.
[QB]
...Fark...Yeah.......It's Given me an..... eye ache.........
bagga
Mar 21 2003, 10:14 AM
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you might be better off making a sealed wall and cram it full of sony subs
the two boxes he's got are sealed and considered as a wall because of the string test
he should be going up to Doran next weekend if anyone wants to have a gander
Andu
Mar 21 2003, 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by bagga:
quote:
you might be better off making a sealed wall and cram it full of sony subs
the two boxes he's got are sealed and considered as a wall because of the string test
he should be going up to Doran next weekend if anyone wants to have a gander
cool, we'll see him there then.
IMO he should do a cut-through... big and ported box
DD Phil
Mar 22 2003, 03:40 AM
1. Honestly, there are a lot better subs for SPL than Fusion.
2. Take the money he's saved for the pair of Jaycar amps and buy a second hand D2, MTX 1000D or similar
3. To make big numbers you need bulk power at resonance, so aim to present the amp(s) with a load HALF the norm for maximum power output. For example if your amp makes max power at 4 ohm, run a two ohm sub for SPL burps. Failure to do this means you're already 3dB down.
Phil
bagga
Mar 22 2003, 10:27 AM
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For example if your amp makes max power at 4 ohm, run a two ohm sub for SPL burps. Failure to do this means you're already 3dB down.
true, he may also end up an amp down in the process
Mr_Bob
Mar 22 2003, 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Incar Phil:
3. To make big numbers you need bulk power at resonance, so aim to present the amp(s) with a load HALF the norm for maximum power output. For example if your amp makes max power at 4 ohm, run a two ohm sub for SPL burps. Failure to do this means you're already 3dB down.
Phil
phil, please explain how you would be 3db down?
when you run an amp close to or past it's rated impedance, you often find that 1/2ing impedance does NOT double the output power from the amplifier, it only usually doubles, whilst remaining within the amplifier's rated impedance.
IF the impedance peak at resonance, is high enough to keep the amp within it's rated impedance range, then yes, wiring lower impedances may help, but for instance when wiring my brahma at 1 ohm, i get less than 3ohm variance from 20Hz through to 150hz. (on a graph)
so wiring 2 of them for a 0.5ohm nominal load to a 1ohm stable amplifier is very dangerous.
if oyu wish to take Phil's advice, please only do so with caution and testing of impedance values at resonance.
Bassaholic
Mar 22 2003, 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Mr_Bob:
IF the impedance peak at resonance, is high enough to keep the amp within it's rated impedance range, then yes, wiring lower impedances may help, but for instance when wiring my brahma at 1 ohm, i get less than 3ohm variance from 20Hz through to 150hz. (on a graph)
so wiring 2 of them for a 0.5ohm nominal load to a 1ohm stable amplifier is very dangerous.
I agree with Phil..
The impedance will generally double, or be even higher at resonance.. BTW, if anyone is wondering, I am refering to the actual measured impedance, by using one of the methods that involve using resistor(s)...
If your nominal impedance is 1 ohm and there is say, 2 ohms of variance at your peak frequency, then that would mean the impedance is up to 3 ohm which is OVER double the nominal impedance..
ripped
Mar 22 2003, 05:34 PM
an eq d2 is 2 ohm stable. richie (bodyjar) ran it at 1ohm for burps and smoked it. bloody idiot...
DD Phil
Mar 23 2003, 12:42 PM
QUOTE MR BOB: "when wiring my brahma at 1 ohm, I get less than 3ohm variance from 20Hz through to 150hz"
Exactly, your impedance tripled, meaning well over 3dB of loss.
Thanks for backing me up Mr Bob.
Phil
Andu
Mar 23 2003, 01:28 PM
Using the clamp ammeter volts/current method my impedence only rises to about 1.5ohm from 1ohm nominal and 0.75ohm from 0.5ohm nominal at my cars note.
NUTTTR
Mar 23 2003, 01:31 PM
Yes, at resonance your impedance jumps in a huge way, there's also the point that alot of amps have a "pulse" power that they can do, this is perfect for audiocontrol meters and the like, loading down to half the impedance that the amp actually see's MAY blow the amp (chances are eventually, not initially), but you could gain a few db from it. The internals of the amp can stand a 1/2 second pulse of huge amounts of power... It won't do it for more than that tho, after that it drops right off. But yeah, should be right...
db_king... sorry to say dude, but i gave up reading your stuff, can you type it in english?? it's bloody hard as to read
Aaron
bagga
Mar 27 2003, 08:02 PM
are you all saying he should run his 2 sony XM754SX's down to 1ohm so they can double as smoke machines for a party
iced
Mar 29 2003, 03:50 PM
im getting a 12 inch powerplant today for 130$,
my good friend is donating me 16mmMDF enough for a 120L box. the 16mm DMF was packing sheets he got free, and he wants 18mm for his Carbon fibre12 home sub.
im gonna go for a braced 60L ported box at 42Hz to hopefully do over 140db in my camry
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