At todays event there was an n14 pulsar that many people thought should have been classed as superstreet wall, and others said just street. Now I did have an oppinion on this car, but decided to withdraw that oppinion, as I dont know the rules too well, and I dont want to make any enemies in the dbdrag scene. After all, it's all for fun.
Anyway the magnets of the n14 pulsars subs did go past the window line in the hatchback part of it, but I think the car is classified as a sedan? Some were calling it a trunk, others wern't. Anyway the rules say "If the subwoofer enclosure is installed in the trunk of a vehicle, then compliance with the “wall test” is not required".
Do any people have oppinions on this?
Full Version: Rule clarification
it is a hatch if the back glass opens with the boot. a sedan if only the boot opens IIRC.
if the magnets do pass the window line then it would be a SS car.
if the magnets do pass the window line then it would be a SS car.
I think where the classifications come from though, is the actual rego sticker, althought I'm not entirely sure. For example a hyundai excel 3 door, has coupe written on its sticker, and an old celica hatchback that even says hatch on the back of it had sedan on its rego sticker.
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When you open the back of the vehicle:
If the rear glass (window) moves when you open the vehicle, its a hatch.
If the rear glass (window) does not move when you open the back, then it is a trunk.
Other ways to define a trunk vehicle: With the rear seats in their upright position, a trunk vehicle has an area that is effectively sealed/divided off from the rest of the vehicle. The area behind those seats and below a rear "deck" or a somewhat solid piece just below the rear window, usually used for mounting rear speakers, this is the "trunk".
NO, you cannot build a wall in a Street vehicle. The height limit in a hatchback or other vehicle is the lowest part of the front windows. In a trunk vehicle the box must be IN THE TRUNK and you can build it as large or tall as you want, provided it remains in the trunk. The box would still have to be below the rear window and behind the rear seats in a trunk vehicle.
taken from a post on Termpro on the topicIf the rear glass (window) moves when you open the vehicle, its a hatch.
If the rear glass (window) does not move when you open the back, then it is a trunk.
Other ways to define a trunk vehicle: With the rear seats in their upright position, a trunk vehicle has an area that is effectively sealed/divided off from the rest of the vehicle. The area behind those seats and below a rear "deck" or a somewhat solid piece just below the rear window, usually used for mounting rear speakers, this is the "trunk".
NO, you cannot build a wall in a Street vehicle. The height limit in a hatchback or other vehicle is the lowest part of the front windows. In a trunk vehicle the box must be IN THE TRUNK and you can build it as large or tall as you want, provided it remains in the trunk. The box would still have to be below the rear window and behind the rear seats in a trunk vehicle.
[ March 10, 2003, 21:06: Message edited by: KraSE ]
Yep, definately a SS vehicle...
going by the rules anyways, which is a bummer for him...
going by the rules anyways, which is a bummer for him...
the rule states that the box must be no taller than the window line. Magnets are part of the speaker therefore i do not see how it can be classed as part of the box making this setup ok.
Actually, the rules state that the subwoofer is in fact part of the subwoofer enclosure..
http://www.termpro.com/dbdrag/rules/2003/rules03.html
http://www.termpro.com/dbdrag/rules/2003/rules03.html
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6-5 The dBDRA defines a speaker wall as any subwoofer enclosure and / or baffle board that exceeds the height of an imaginary plane that stretches horizontally from the top of the driver’s door (where the side window enters the door frame) to the top of the passenger’s door on the opposite side of the vehicle.
Additional Guidelines:
· Compliance with this rule may be verified by using the following test: Two judges position themselves on opposite sides of the vehicle. A string (or wire) is passed through the open window on the driver’s side, through the interior of the vehicle, and out of the open window on the passenger side of the vehicle. Both judges should then pull the string so that it is taught while resting against the lowest point on the top of the 2 doors (where the glass enters the door frame). If the enclosure in question does not exceed the height of this string, then the enclosure is not considered to be a wall. If any part of the enclosure exceeds the height of the string, then the enclosure is considered a wall.
· Any components that are attached to the subwoofer enclosure, including speakers, amplifiers, signal processors, etc., are considered to be a part of the subwoofer enclosure.
Exceptions:
· If the subwoofer enclosure is installed in the trunk of a vehicle, then compliance with the “wall test” is not required.
Also, the rego sticker saying sedan means nothing.. (they all seem to say sedan..)
Additional Guidelines:
· Compliance with this rule may be verified by using the following test: Two judges position themselves on opposite sides of the vehicle. A string (or wire) is passed through the open window on the driver’s side, through the interior of the vehicle, and out of the open window on the passenger side of the vehicle. Both judges should then pull the string so that it is taught while resting against the lowest point on the top of the 2 doors (where the glass enters the door frame). If the enclosure in question does not exceed the height of this string, then the enclosure is not considered to be a wall. If any part of the enclosure exceeds the height of the string, then the enclosure is considered a wall.
· Any components that are attached to the subwoofer enclosure, including speakers, amplifiers, signal processors, etc., are considered to be a part of the subwoofer enclosure.
Exceptions:
· If the subwoofer enclosure is installed in the trunk of a vehicle, then compliance with the “wall test” is not required.
thanks for clearing that up guys.
Bob, you know my thoughts on the class it should be in (SS), but I think that it was decided that the car would be left to run in stock class, but in the future there would be a closer eye on classes, and this sort of thing shouldn't happen again.
Let's hope so - it didn't affect my division at all, but it was clearly NOT in street class due to the baskets being above the window line...
On the rego sticker on my car it says "sedan", but it's clearly a hatch!
cya
Let's hope so - it didn't affect my division at all, but it was clearly NOT in street class due to the baskets being above the window line...
On the rego sticker on my car it says "sedan", but it's clearly a hatch!
cya
Yeah your car was one of my examples about the rego sticker. Anyway the event has passed, and nothing can be done.
I will give the car and its driver credit. Almost 149dB from 2 12's with the car off. Good effort. Gives me a goal to work towards .
I will give the car and its driver credit. Almost 149dB from 2 12's with the car off. Good effort. Gives me a goal to work towards .
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bobic:
After all, it's all for fun.
The way some people behaved towards the owner of this pulsar was an absolute discrase and I'm not surprised by the way him and his friends reacted. If there was a car there that had the potential to win over him and the ET turbo that came second, then somting would have been done about it. The next time anyone see's these two cars they will both comply exactly to the rules and still kick ASS!!!!!! Alot of poeple have tried to get on top of this pulsar before and their atempts have failed, he has overcome every obsticle and won (Melbourne autosalon 2002, had to put h/unit back in car, pulled his best runs of the day after that to win again.). Because of this SOME PEOPLE want to attack him at every point rather than say anything good, I'm surprised he still competes.
After all, it's all for fun.
The way some people behaved towards the owner of this pulsar was an absolute discrase and I'm not surprised by the way him and his friends reacted. If there was a car there that had the potential to win over him and the ET turbo that came second, then somting would have been done about it. The next time anyone see's these two cars they will both comply exactly to the rules and still kick ASS!!!!!! Alot of poeple have tried to get on top of this pulsar before and their atempts have failed, he has overcome every obsticle and won (Melbourne autosalon 2002, had to put h/unit back in car, pulled his best runs of the day after that to win again.). Because of this SOME PEOPLE want to attack him at every point rather than say anything good, I'm surprised he still competes.
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Originally posted by bobic:
Yeah your car was one of my examples about the rego sticker. Anyway the event has passed, and nothing can be done.
I will give the car and its driver credit. Almost 149dB from 2 12's with the car off. Good effort. Gives me a goal to work towards .
I beleive the man in question is Cameron Eames... he has been the loudest Street 1-2 car in Australia for quite some time, here is a link to his stats: http://www.termpro.com/asp/competitorstats...=24304&Season=0 Yeah your car was one of my examples about the rego sticker. Anyway the event has passed, and nothing can be done.
I will give the car and its driver credit. Almost 149dB from 2 12's with the car off. Good effort. Gives me a goal to work towards .
soon.... soon.
[ March 11, 2003, 22:55: Message edited by: Andu ]
Rules are rules.. Its not like this issue hasn't come up before..
[quote]Originally posted by abbs:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bobic:
After all, it's all for fun.
The way some people behaved towards the owner of this pulsar was an absolute discrase and I'm not surprised by the way him and his friends reacted. If there was a car there that had the potential to win over him and the ET turbo that came second, then somting would have been done about it. The next time anyone see's these two cars they will both comply exactly to the rules and still kick ASS!!!!!! Alot of poeple have tried to get on top of this pulsar before and their atempts have failed, he has overcome every obsticle and won (Melbourne autosalon 2002, had to put h/unit back in car, pulled his best runs of the day after that to win again.). Because of this SOME PEOPLE want to attack him at every point rather than say anything good, I'm surprised he still competes.
[/quote]i think bringing up the issue about the rules is one thing, rules are rules, but the name calling and stuff that followed it all was uncalled for. As I said, most of us are in this for fun, not to cause fights. There was one point where I thought there was a chance of 2 people there getting into a fight.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bobic:
After all, it's all for fun.
The way some people behaved towards the owner of this pulsar was an absolute discrase and I'm not surprised by the way him and his friends reacted. If there was a car there that had the potential to win over him and the ET turbo that came second, then somting would have been done about it. The next time anyone see's these two cars they will both comply exactly to the rules and still kick ASS!!!!!! Alot of poeple have tried to get on top of this pulsar before and their atempts have failed, he has overcome every obsticle and won (Melbourne autosalon 2002, had to put h/unit back in car, pulled his best runs of the day after that to win again.). Because of this SOME PEOPLE want to attack him at every point rather than say anything good, I'm surprised he still competes.
[/quote]i think bringing up the issue about the rules is one thing, rules are rules, but the name calling and stuff that followed it all was uncalled for. As I said, most of us are in this for fun, not to cause fights. There was one point where I thought there was a chance of 2 people there getting into a fight.
I would complain and not be happy (even if it isn't in my class) that some is breaking the rules at a important event. Thats why I always try to have copies of the rules on me
Rules are rules... don't get me rong I like to push the rules... but when it clearly says in the rules "this is the line do not pass it" and somebody passed it.
They should be made to change it or DSQ. But the grey areas of the rules is where it gets hard. IF I EVERY GET PICKED UP I WILL CHANGE WHAT I NEED TO DO OR ASK TO HAVE MY RUNS DSQ. this is not a open invitation for every to go over my car with a fine tooth comb but u get my point when X is X i will make it X
Rules are rules... don't get me rong I like to push the rules... but when it clearly says in the rules "this is the line do not pass it" and somebody passed it.
They should be made to change it or DSQ. But the grey areas of the rules is where it gets hard. IF I EVERY GET PICKED UP I WILL CHANGE WHAT I NEED TO DO OR ASK TO HAVE MY RUNS DSQ. this is not a open invitation for every to go over my car with a fine tooth comb but u get my point when X is X i will make it X
Firstly I am not here to attack anyone! I had a hand in building the ET, that was the first run we have done with the current amp configuration. Even if we lay the box flat we will still be competitive. To the owner of the red NX coupe, who bagged us the whole day and made the day VERY unpleasent for us all, what is your problem?? The day was for fun!! Remember that! Wait to the next event.... we will make this car comply to all you rules and will still be up there!
Then to further make our day harder, he started asking competitors if they would log complaints against Dale's ET and Cameron's SSS Pulsar.... talk about stirring the pot!!!
Come on guys, if you want this sport to last in OZ, I think that this current trend of bagging/*****ing about the winning cars needs to stop!
That's my 2 cents worth!
[ March 12, 2003, 10:17: Message edited by: Tegboy ]
Then to further make our day harder, he started asking competitors if they would log complaints against Dale's ET and Cameron's SSS Pulsar.... talk about stirring the pot!!!
Come on guys, if you want this sport to last in OZ, I think that this current trend of bagging/*****ing about the winning cars needs to stop!
That's my 2 cents worth!
[ March 12, 2003, 10:17: Message edited by: Tegboy ]
Exactly, we were there for fun, not for people to say "mate your a f**khead" "just f**koff" etc. That was the real downside to the event.
I am the owner of the ET. Being the first time I have competed in street A I was unaware of the rules. First the 6 x 9's apparantly being classified as subs??? That's crazy...but I guess it is the rules and that is fair enough, I will remove them from now on. (They wern't connected either!) As for the magnets?? Well...Cameron has been running the same set up for the past year or whatever and they have always said it was ok...his car to me looks like a sedan...I think mine is a sedan also. Either way, I don't see what difference my sub magnet sticking out over the edge of the window about 5mm makes??!~ If that is the case I'll take some f^&%*&^ carpet off the bottom of the box. Either way I will still make the same numbers if not more with some tuning etc. As for the guy in the NX....2 seconds more of you harrasing us near Camerons car and you would have been on the ground!! It's not worth it mate, it's only for fun! You need to relax a little...
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Originally posted by ZeRo ShAdOw:
I am the owner of the ET. Being the first time I have competed in street A I was unaware of the rules.
Fair enough.. I am the owner of the ET. Being the first time I have competed in street A I was unaware of the rules.
Although I think that other dude has been told the rules a few times before..
Btw, 6x9s are not counted as woofers, unless they are specifically used as woofers.. If they are disconnected, they do not count.. The reason is there are plenty of cars that come with 6x9s standard from the factory..
- This is according to Certified dBDRA judges in the USA - it is not "my interpretation of the rules"
Yeah, 6x9's are definately allowed in their, as long as they're not used... who told you they were illegal?
But rules is rules... some of us try hard to stick within the rules, so when someone rocks up with even the most smallest illegal point, I expect them to change it or be booted to the next class up... it's only fair to the guys building their cars to spec, and spend a lot of time doing it, when someone comes up with no idea and is clearly not as dedicated to the rulings as themselves...
Cameron's car is a hatch, get over it, ALL ET pulsars are hatches, I dont know of any that arent, because if they arent a hatch, they arent an ET pulsar! Hopefully you guys keep up the spirit of just having fun, but plase, for the sake of everyone, keep within the rules...
But rules is rules... some of us try hard to stick within the rules, so when someone rocks up with even the most smallest illegal point, I expect them to change it or be booted to the next class up... it's only fair to the guys building their cars to spec, and spend a lot of time doing it, when someone comes up with no idea and is clearly not as dedicated to the rulings as themselves...
Cameron's car is a hatch, get over it, ALL ET pulsars are hatches, I dont know of any that arent, because if they arent a hatch, they arent an ET pulsar! Hopefully you guys keep up the spirit of just having fun, but plase, for the sake of everyone, keep within the rules...
I think the point that some are missing is that last year was last years season - a quick check on the Termpro website has 2003 rules available, that were ratified about 1 month ago - I built the new enclosure to fit within the no wall class - it was a nightmare job (I'm no joiner!!!) but it pulls some decent (for Oz) numbers.
(Bones/Scott pointed out that as the subs reach xmax, they go past the window line!!!! pmsl...)
I referenced back to the rules constantly to make sure it would be right - if people have problems with which class or haven't seen the rules, it should have been picked up at the event but one of the officials. Not all people are seasoned competitiors and nobody should be getting narky at the newbies if they are in the wrong class. Just have a chat to them, sort it out!
I queried the basket and window line with one of the judges and queried the fact that it is therefore classed as a "wall". The response was that there was discussion over the sedan/hatch debate, it was decided to let the vehicle run in the street class, but not again at other events.
Some people take the competition scene very seriously, others get in there and have a go and have fun (or make their own fun...like me! ).
Whatever the situation is, people need to remember that the main aim is to HAVE FUN!
It wasn't fun any more for me 2 years ago, so I got out of the scene. I'm back now, and if people want to get sh1tty over classes, then they should get over it and see the head judge if there is problems/queries/agression.
cya
Timmy
(Bones/Scott pointed out that as the subs reach xmax, they go past the window line!!!! pmsl...)
I referenced back to the rules constantly to make sure it would be right - if people have problems with which class or haven't seen the rules, it should have been picked up at the event but one of the officials. Not all people are seasoned competitiors and nobody should be getting narky at the newbies if they are in the wrong class. Just have a chat to them, sort it out!
I queried the basket and window line with one of the judges and queried the fact that it is therefore classed as a "wall". The response was that there was discussion over the sedan/hatch debate, it was decided to let the vehicle run in the street class, but not again at other events.
Some people take the competition scene very seriously, others get in there and have a go and have fun (or make their own fun...like me! ).
Whatever the situation is, people need to remember that the main aim is to HAVE FUN!
It wasn't fun any more for me 2 years ago, so I got out of the scene. I'm back now, and if people want to get sh1tty over classes, then they should get over it and see the head judge if there is problems/queries/agression.
cya
Timmy
subs hitting x-max over the window line is not a problem. (same thing happens in walled class and from a judges point of veiw not counted IIRC from a termpro post)
this photo I took at '02 Final Battle
Results from Melbourne 10th March show are up. danm that was quick! looks like 148.8 is the number I need to beat now
http://www.termpro.com/asp/eventresults3.a...p?Event_ID=5567
[ March 13, 2003, 19:07: Message edited by: Andu ]
Results from Melbourne 10th March show are up. danm that was quick! looks like 148.8 is the number I need to beat now
http://www.termpro.com/asp/eventresults3.a...p?Event_ID=5567
[ March 13, 2003, 19:07: Message edited by: Andu ]
Thats definately illegal! Why doesnt Cameron just mount the subs normally? he won't lose that much space, and at least will be legal?
and that better not be sponsorship on his wing
Firstly I am not here to attack anyone... but rules are rules ..... if you brake then .... then you should be told to change it or your out .. simple ...... i carnt see anything rong with that ..?
Congrats on the great score 148.8db with engine off orsome,are you using the same subs as in the pic above?What amp?
I take it was a db drag meet,were they using the new stick on mic's?
Not trying to stir but how much past the window line were the sub magnets?
Clarkie
I take it was a db drag meet,were they using the new stick on mic's?
Not trying to stir but how much past the window line were the sub magnets?
Clarkie
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Originally posted by Clarkie:
I take it was a db drag meet,were they using the new stick on mic's?
I wasn't there, so I may be wrong, but I think they were the old termlab mics..
I take it was a db drag meet,were they using the new stick on mic's?
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Originally posted by KraSE:
[b]and that better not be sponsorship on his wing
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Originally posted by Bassaholic:
I wasn't there, so I may be wrong, but I think they were the old termlab mics..[/b]quote:
Originally posted by Clarkie:
[b]
I take it was a db drag meet,were they using the new stick on mic's?
The old mics will be used for this year as it has already started b4 the new mics came out. next year the tuffer ones will be used
The new box in camerons car will be ready for the next meeting. As for the sponsorship crap every piece of equipment in that car was purchased from my store with camerons hard earned cash crossing the counter for it. The stickers are on the car because he just happens to like it. When are you nockers going to stop comming up with different reasons to stop this guy. He likes the good comments he gets but more often than not it's just poeple on the war path. The ruling on the car is up to the person running the event on the day and nobody else, if you don't want to accept it GO HOME don't complain to the competitor it's not his decision.
if u noticed the
We all work hard to pay for our gear. I certianly don't get "givin" any.
And for giving him crap. I never gave him crap personally. I don't even run in street. He is the front man in Street atm but there are a one or two right on his tail
And yes it is upto the judge to rule on it. But when it clearly says X in the rules I would hope that judge rules on X other wise whats the point of the rules when the judge can pick which ones he wants to apply.
[ March 14, 2003, 01:42: Message edited by: KraSE ]
We all work hard to pay for our gear. I certianly don't get "givin" any.
And for giving him crap. I never gave him crap personally. I don't even run in street. He is the front man in Street atm but there are a one or two right on his tail
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if you don't want to accept it GO HOME don't complain to the competitor it's not his decision.
It is upto the the builder to make the car within the rules(and it clearly states no part of the box or gear mounted to the box to pass the window line). This is not a grey area where u can push the rules this is black/white night/day rule.And yes it is upto the judge to rule on it. But when it clearly says X in the rules I would hope that judge rules on X other wise whats the point of the rules when the judge can pick which ones he wants to apply.
[ March 14, 2003, 01:42: Message edited by: KraSE ]
I have a Crossfire sticker on my car also, I am not sponsored by them, hell I have a Nismo sticker also....doesn't mean I am sponsored by them. Smiley face or not you still mentioned it....that's exactly the crap we are talking about!
As for my 6x9's, they are ILLEGAL...after confirmation from the USA it has been confirmed. Easily fixed, they will be removed. As for the subs and box etc, it will be changed so everyone can stop all this s*&%! ....we will still pull the same numbers as always, then what will you pick on?? My Nissan badge being sponsorship??
As for my 6x9's, they are ILLEGAL...after confirmation from the USA it has been confirmed. Easily fixed, they will be removed. As for the subs and box etc, it will be changed so everyone can stop all this s*&%! ....we will still pull the same numbers as always, then what will you pick on?? My Nissan badge being sponsorship??
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Originally posted by KraSE:
[QB]if u noticed the
Even so, a moderator shouldn't be saying things like that... especially when they are not true....
[QB]if u noticed the
tegboy
by being a mod does not stop me from making a joke.....and if you have a problem with me you can take this up privately with me if you want. my ICQ number is in my profile I will be around my comp most of the day at work.
ZeRo ShAdOw
I don't know what people will complain about next but I hope you pull some more good numbers with your new box. People will always complain about the loudest no matter what... But being compleatly legal will make it harder for things to find.
As for the crossfire stick it was a joke sorry if anyone took it seriously.
Also again I say I was only commenting on the RULES not the person who ultimately the this was started because.
[ March 14, 2003, 13:39: Message edited by: KraSE ]
by being a mod does not stop me from making a joke.....and if you have a problem with me you can take this up privately with me if you want. my ICQ number is in my profile I will be around my comp most of the day at work.
ZeRo ShAdOw
I don't know what people will complain about next but I hope you pull some more good numbers with your new box. People will always complain about the loudest no matter what... But being compleatly legal will make it harder for things to find.
As for the crossfire stick it was a joke sorry if anyone took it seriously.
Also again I say I was only commenting on the RULES not the person who ultimately the this was started because.
[ March 14, 2003, 13:39: Message edited by: KraSE ]
I dont understand what you guys are getting all fired up about? he broke a rule, plain as day, people complained!
When I went to FB last year, I checked out EVERY street competitor I could, it didnt matter if they were the best or not, and I saw lots of illegal things, and I mentioned a few, it wasnt because they were winning... If they break a rule, I'll say something!
It isnt a personal attack on Cameron or Shadow (i dont know anything about ur car...) fact is, he broke a rule, fix it! we're not scared of losing, you both obviously do an excellent job, but he broke a rule...
Please don't come on here, and have a go at us because we believe in RULES!!! Especially Krase for having a joke... jeez... I know when Cameron fixes the box/subs then I wont say anything. I only have things against people going against the rules, and once he ISN'T doing it, I won't say a thing! I'm glad he competes, because without him, or you (shadow) we'd have no competition!
When I went to FB last year, I checked out EVERY street competitor I could, it didnt matter if they were the best or not, and I saw lots of illegal things, and I mentioned a few, it wasnt because they were winning... If they break a rule, I'll say something!
It isnt a personal attack on Cameron or Shadow (i dont know anything about ur car...) fact is, he broke a rule, fix it! we're not scared of losing, you both obviously do an excellent job, but he broke a rule...
Please don't come on here, and have a go at us because we believe in RULES!!! Especially Krase for having a joke... jeez... I know when Cameron fixes the box/subs then I wont say anything. I only have things against people going against the rules, and once he ISN'T doing it, I won't say a thing! I'm glad he competes, because without him, or you (shadow) we'd have no competition!
I started this post because I was interested in the rule. Plain and simple. I also wanted to know what classified a hatch. Also plain and simple. I mentioned the car involved, as it was an example of it. I did not start this post to have a go at anyone. I was merely asking about the rules. Rules are there to keep the comp fair.
As we have now found out, the car was outside of those rules for street. Now with his subs being over the windowline or under it will most likely not make any difference at all to his spl. I mentioned in a previous post that it was a damn good effort, 148.something with the car off, out of 2 12's. I also said it gave me a goal.
People work hard to build their cars to the rules. I know hardon spent numerous hours making his box comply to the window line, he didnt want it being 1mm over. There was another competitor there whos box was about 2 inches over the window line, and that was the very end of the wedge. The judges said he'd have to compete in superstreet, and he was cool with that. He wasn't getting fired up about it, and getting narky. My point is rules are rules and rules were broken. People have a right to complain about rules. BUT the way people were complaining on the day, was not right. Abusing a competitor over a rule isn't right.
Also with the comment about the sponsorship, it was a joke, thats the end of it. People need to relax a bit me thinks. If things keep going like this, all the fun out of db drags will be lost. What will be the point of competing then?
One last thing - Even if the car was forced to compete that day in superstreet 1-2 with wall, it still would have have won, so it had nothing to do with it being a loud car, it was just about complying to the rules. People go to lots of trouble to be within the rules. They don't like to see that effort wasted when a car that doesn't comply to the rules, still gets to compete in the class.
[ March 14, 2003, 16:21: Message edited by: bobic ]
As we have now found out, the car was outside of those rules for street. Now with his subs being over the windowline or under it will most likely not make any difference at all to his spl. I mentioned in a previous post that it was a damn good effort, 148.something with the car off, out of 2 12's. I also said it gave me a goal.
People work hard to build their cars to the rules. I know hardon spent numerous hours making his box comply to the window line, he didnt want it being 1mm over. There was another competitor there whos box was about 2 inches over the window line, and that was the very end of the wedge. The judges said he'd have to compete in superstreet, and he was cool with that. He wasn't getting fired up about it, and getting narky. My point is rules are rules and rules were broken. People have a right to complain about rules. BUT the way people were complaining on the day, was not right. Abusing a competitor over a rule isn't right.
Also with the comment about the sponsorship, it was a joke, thats the end of it. People need to relax a bit me thinks. If things keep going like this, all the fun out of db drags will be lost. What will be the point of competing then?
One last thing - Even if the car was forced to compete that day in superstreet 1-2 with wall, it still would have have won, so it had nothing to do with it being a loud car, it was just about complying to the rules. People go to lots of trouble to be within the rules. They don't like to see that effort wasted when a car that doesn't comply to the rules, still gets to compete in the class.
[ March 14, 2003, 16:21: Message edited by: bobic ]
Good sh1t bob, It sums up the issues and I think people should just settle down and get on with their preparation for the next event, understanding the rules and running the car in the class it should be in!!!!
I'm unfortunately going to have to run in the CAADB MODIFIED A class coz of the 120Amp alternator and lack of back seats!
(or I could get the gear, install it and run in stock, but that's too much involved changing alt's and seats before each dB format comp!)
Be cool,
Timmy
I'm unfortunately going to have to run in the CAADB MODIFIED A class coz of the 120Amp alternator and lack of back seats!
(or I could get the gear, install it and run in stock, but that's too much involved changing alt's and seats before each dB format comp!)
Be cool,
Timmy
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Originally posted by bobic:
People need to relax a bit me thinks.
Best thing I've heard all year!
People need to relax a bit me thinks.
*me takes a bow*
Great to hear us all talking about this in a much more calm manner, we all know that camerons car didn't pass the rules but some people wouldn't let go on the day and that's what caused the problems. The car was built to run under last years rules and had not been changed to comply with the new rules, as of now it does comply and we all hope that this is the last time we here about what camerons doing wrong.
Hows the progress anyway? Couldn't he just invert the subs and be right?
Just a note, the posts were all civil. I just had a look through, and no offence, but the only people that were getting worked up it seems, were the people involved with these cars. But its good to see thats all settled down now.
[ March 14, 2003, 23:37: Message edited by: bobic ]
Just a note, the posts were all civil. I just had a look through, and no offence, but the only people that were getting worked up it seems, were the people involved with these cars. But its good to see thats all settled down now.
[ March 14, 2003, 23:37: Message edited by: bobic ]
Progress is fine & inverting the subs makes a fair bit of difference, more than you would probly think. The only reason we invert them (other than looking cool) is so that the wiring is all easy to get at, but turning the subs over again makes the box smaller and changes the box tuning a bit which means the numbers the car pulls on the meter can change, I'm not saying if it's up or down, you'll just have to see next time.
Is the box sealed or ported?
If it's ported could the port be modified to adjust for the smaller box volume?
If it's ported could the port be modified to adjust for the smaller box volume?
Well we probably need clarification of this but I heard a rumour that the top dog of StreetA has been rebuilt with a StreetB system, hitting a 147.* at Wagga Wagga... nice number for first outing with the new system. Also rumoured that Cameron won't be making an appearance at SAS
rules are rules and if it's just a little thing then it shouldn't be too hard to rectify and if it's not that easy to rectify then maybe it's not such a little thing...
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