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Adrian345
Hey

Ok i want my bass to have definition and punch, but also low frq capabilities.

For example in a song with fast double kick i want the bass to be very SQ defined yet still powerful (within reason). i will probably go for a sealed enclosure.

Anyway should i go for 1 12" sub or 2 10" subs. Will there be much difference between the two setups, if so what are the main differences?

Thanks
Adrian biggrin.gif
poeee
This is how I think... spend $500 on a 12" sub, or $250 each on 2 10". Guess which setup will sound better! Yep, the 12".
tony
i'd have to agree. I love my 12", it has punch and low frequency capabilities.
RTTZ
QUOTE (poeee)
This is how I think... spend $500 on a 12" sub, or $250 each on 2 10".  Guess which setup will sound better!  Yep, the 12".


But keep in mind, if a 12" costs $500, the 10" version will probably cost about $400ish, not half.

General rule with subs would be that the 10's would be faster than the 12's, but the 12's will play lower than 10's.

Imo, the best flexibility would be a single 12".

Bye,
Mo
Wasnt Me
what they said ^^^^^. One good sub is better that two average subs even in the same sizes as well.
Adrian345
what about 2 IDMAX 10", how would that be compared to 1 12" MAX
RTTZ
Hey Adrian,

I'd still take the 12" IDMax over the 2 10's smile.gif

bye,

Mo
Wasnt Me
The 12is definitely better, and it is only about $100 dearer. A 10 cant play as low as a 12, a 12 can play at the same range as a 10. But an IDMAX is definitely a great choice.
Cyberpunky
Id go the 2 10s personally with your 240s, as you state you want SQ. You will still get plenty low with ID 10s and they will be really tight. I have heard plenty of systems with dual 10s that lacked nothing.

Anyway I always design a system around the 2 size rule, which I have found over the years provides the best SQ outcome. As you are running system 240's then the 10s would blend much better than a single 12 IMO
peace
Cyberpunky
poeee
QUOTE (RTTZ)
QUOTE (poeee)
This is how I think... spend $500 on a 12" sub, or $250 each on 2 10".  Guess which setup will sound better!  Yep, the 12".


But keep in mind, if a 12" costs $500, the 10" version will probably cost about $400ish, not half.

General rule with subs would be that the 10's would be faster than the 12's, but the 12's will play lower than 10's.

Imo, the best flexibility would be a single 12".

Bye,
Mo


He asked 2x10 vs 1x12...
SkinnyGuy
Personally I'd do with the two 10's in a large box, tuned low.... will beat a 12inch sealed, but ofcourse the box is bigger......
Andres
Feel free to shoot this down, this is just me thinking out loud kinda...

A 10 (generally) has better "kick" cos it has a smaller (therfore) lighter cone than a 12, so fed with the same power will be able to move more "accurately". (e.g. the amp will have more control over the smaller weight being moved)

A 12 gets lower becasue with a given frequency the subs fed with the same power will have similair excuriosn, but the 12 wil have more surface area, and therefore be louder (more effecient) and therfore reproduce the hard to hear lower frequencies better.

I can't htink of a better explanation IF everything else about the sub is the same?!


So therefore, 2 10s of same quality (NOT half the price of th 12) should in theory go AS low (cos they will have same or greater surface area) and kick better than 1 12. Assuming u can power every sub to its full capabilities.

(All this isn't taking into account "finances" of powering the two 10s vs 1 12, and the price of two 10s vs 1 12.)


What people think?!?!?! smile.gif (am i crazy?)
RTTZ
QUOTE (poeee)
He asked 2x10 vs 1x12...


Yes, but not for the same price... 2 x 10's will always cost close to twice as much as one 12" from the same make and model. The price difference between a 12" and a 10" is usually less than $100.

but I see what you were saying too smile.gif

Bye,
Mo
Andres
(I realise a bit of track) but what if we lived in a magical world where two 10s cost the same as 1 12 (of same standard)...

What would ppl say then? (Can always save a bit longer!)

Im' in the same situtation and like the kick of 10s, but need plenty of volume to keep a convertable rocking.
bob
QUOTE (Andres)
Feel free to shoot this down, this is just me thinking out loud kinda...

A 10 (generally) has better "kick" cos it has a smaller (therfore) lighter cone than a 12, so fed with the same power will be able to move more "accurately". (e.g. the amp will have more control over the smaller weight being moved)

A 12 gets lower becasue with a given frequency the subs fed with the same power will have similair excuriosn, but the 12 wil have more surface area, and therefore be louder (more effecient) and therfore reproduce the hard to hear lower frequencies better.  

A good quality woofer won't be "slower" or "faster".
RTTZ
QUOTE (Andres)
(I realise a bit of track) but what if we lived in a magical world where two 10s cost the same as 1 12 (of same standard)...  

What would ppl say then? (Can always save a bit longer!)

Im' in the same situtation and like the kick of 10s, but need plenty of volume to keep a convertable rocking.


I'd put 2 10's up front biggrin.gif

Otherwise, I'd still stick to a single 12"...just something I've liked for the past dozen or so years. I've had two 10's, three 10's, two 12's, one 15", and a few single 12" subs and I've just liked the one 12". Wonder how 8's would sound like...

bye,
Mo
gooki
Why not go for one 12 in a ported enclosure. This way it will probably take up just as much room as 2x 10's but if tuned correctly will have a much greater linear response (all depending on the type of sub though).
Fudd
2 good 10's will still go loud dude!
posty
Where does everyone get this rumor about large subwoofers being slow than smaller ones ? A 15" woofer will sound just as "tight/fast/quick" as a 10" if its done properly.
gooki
exactly.
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