I have just seen pics of these Cadence US6K speakers and the basket/moter assembly and foam over the pole piece looks just like a Dynaudio one.

What do they sound like?

For $540 if they sound like the Dynaudio speakers they are a real steal!

i asked this same question a while back!

hutch told us that they weren't dynaudios. nor were cadence tied to dynaudio. they feel like cadence speakers and having listened to a set i tend to agree with him that they possess sound very "un-dynaudio". .... :roll: eeeeuch!

the build of the cadence isnt bad - they look like dyn baskets, but they just dont feel the same. normal philips heads vs hex bolts... etc.

plus... the cadence have a horrible metal tweet...

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Can I be totally frank? These speakers are utter crap. Their only resemblance to Dynaudio speakers is in their looks. I have examined them up close and the build quality is very Cadence, ie, poor. Their sound is equally bad. At $549 I could think of countless speakers that would leave this horrible looking rip offs for dead, Focal, Boston, $299 ID coaxs, the list goes on. Please do not but these speakers thinking they will sound in any way like a Dynaudio.

Right, I think I got that off my chest, might go and have a nice cup of tea and a lie down now...............

They remind me of the Absolute Gold amplifiers Strathfield were flogging a while ago, they were pretty much an exact copy of a Phoenix Gold M-25 amp...with none of the performance.There have always been rip off brands....unfortunately many newbies get sucked in to buying this utter crap...thinking they are getting the premium product

just remember if it sounds too good to be true it usually is....oh and they try to make the name similar for example Rockstar Fosgate (RF rip off) and Vocal (Focal rip off)

Fair enough!

I just thought I would ask.

I hadn't seen them b4 today.

Thanx for the feedback. :-)

Those are "Open tool" item in China.

Anyone with money can get those "Dyna knock off" baskets and the cosmetics.

I can assure you that they are not Dyna

way to sharp to sound like Dyn's IMO

Well, Well, Well, I have not posted for a long time now and just got back on to have a look what was going on......

Its good to see that some things don't change and that people "in the business" are still happy to slag off anothers product which they either do not distribute or sell, rather than promote the ones they do.

And then ofcourse there were some good comments as well.

Now, The question from HISPL was about the Cadence US6K.

Not sure where some people got their information from but the US6k actually has soft dome tweeters.

Everybody has their own opinion on the way speakers sound ( thats is if they are listnening to the right speaker ofcourse )

I would try and have a listend to what ever speaker you are looking at and make your own judgement. - God forbid you might like it - even if nobody else does!

But hey, that's my opinion and you know what they say about opinons, right?


Right, I think I got that off my chest, I might go and have a nice cup of tea as well...... :wink:

Fair points raised, and I agree more time should be spent 'promoting' rather than wasting time 'slagging' on products.

That being said however, I can understand Hutch's frustration specifically with this model of Cadence speaker. They have been confused as being the exact same speaker as the dynaudio by a small number of consumers and enthusiasts (moreso on internet forums I imagine). This is through no fault of Cadence's, and as mentioned many tooling is available if you are willing to pay for it.

At the end of the day, Cadence, Zylux or any other distributor has not portrayed, promoted or marketed these speakers as Dynaudio. They merely use a similar basket. How many subs share the same basket, splits share the same crossover, and amps share the same chassis (and/or circuit board).

I've extensively auditioned both speakers in question here, and actually ran them both in my own car for many months. They are entirely different speakers, both have unique qualities and sounds. I happen to not mind either of them, although found the Cadence ones liked LOTS of power to make them work nicely.

I think their pricing reflects their overall differences at the end of the day.

What's in a brand?

I had a real eye-opening experience when I was shown various products and catalogues obtained from Chinese speaker and amplifier manufacturering concerns, exhibiting at CES earlier this year. :shock:

Most people would be stunned (mullet-like) and plain aghast at the number of reputable brands that buy these assembly line components (speakers, amplifiers, decks, whatever) and simply brand them as their own. It's a far more widescpread practice than one would realise or care to believe, yes, even among some big names. One catalogue had an absolute crapload of speakers that were unmistakably recognisable as the ranges for several big companies, but these were yet to be badged. :evil:

ie, if you wanted to have your own brand of speakers or subwoofer (that coincidentally looked and in fact was, identical to an existing product) with your own name on it and could afford the minimum production volume, well hello "B00MER AUDIO"

Rather than naming the companies involved I would suggest sticking to specialist car audio manufacturers, with the emphasis on specialist. There are plenty out there that actually bother to research and develop, even engineer their own products.

However, having said all this, there still is enough room for everything in car audio, and most importantly, what you like and can afford.

I'm well aware of how this sort of thing works, Crossfire amps are made in a factory alongside many other brands (I believe it is the Chung Lam factory IIRC), Pioneer and Kenwood have suspiciously similar PCBs and are both made in Mexico and baskets are used for many different types of woofers.

Rockford Fosgate baskets for the old power series woofers are used by a large number of companies, RE, DD, Crossfire etc.

What my original question was "do the speakers sound like Dynaudio". I was moreso after some info on how they sounded.

RE XXX woofers are said to be very similar to Beyond Audio woofers, and some of the parts for them are apparently identicle.

I thought that basket design played a factor in the frequency response of the woofer.

Some designs are supposedly better than others, and "basket resonance" is something manufacturers try to minimise through different design features.

As Dynaudio seem to have this pretty much down pat, I thought this might have been a popular choice of basket for Cadence to use for these reasons.

Are they similar in their characteristics to other speakers???

Why is this suprising I would have thought this to be common knowledge another example is alpines V power amps they are cheap and nasty copys of the V12s made in korea under contract got this from alpine dealer so take it to be true. Image Dynamics actually has their tweeters made in Japan while the crossovers and woofers are made the US ID rep told me this. Personally I try to stick with product designed and made in the US you know they are quality not made in some generic chinese/korean factory. Whats wrong with saying brands are bad? I really can't see how any cadence/audiobahn speaker is going to compare to anything by focal,dyn,boston etc irrespective of its price.

How can you say that???

Say for example you take SPL as an example,
(This is good for examples as it is not subjective and can be measured)

Do you really think a Boston Pro 12.5 woofer could compete with an Audiobahn Imortal 12 for SPL???

Manufacturers have models that are designed for specific reasons it is possible that either Cadence or Audiobahn have speakers that sound better to a trained listener's ear than say any Boston, Focal or Dynaudio product.

I have another reason why I believe this to be the case.

Take Alpine for example, it outsources some of its speaker manufacturing to other companies and then labels it Alpine.
(F1 Status components are an example of this)

Now not being educated on the Cadence/Dynaudio situation b4 I had a brief impression that Cadence may have contracted Dynaudio to build some of it's products.

I appreciate those who have taken the time to correct me on this.

That being said, I can't understand how wide sweeping statements can be made about how one brand can be so much better than the other.
(Especially as some manufacturers aren't even manufacturers any more! Most are marketing companies to a point!)

This is just my opinion on the topic, I appreciate those who have taken the time to offer an their own opinion and advice on the topic.

see my post below...

No but why would you compare the two? and whats wrong with saying some brands are better then others if they are?

Why the US? What about Germany (MB Quart, Brax), France (Focal), Denmark (Dyns), Italy (Audison), Israel (Morel)...

Country of origin is a pretty poor way to judge car audio gear.

By the way Marlin...you appear to own some nice swedish and french and german speakers..a fantastic chinese head unit too. :hehe:

Yes I know that I was being general personally I perfer amps made in the US eg RF some very nice speakers are made in europe in fact I'd say thats were the best are made tell me a good brand of speakers made in asia not including Japan? My point things made in countrys like china etc generally are so to cut cost using near slave labour these countries don't have the high quality of manufactoring that countries like the US and in europe do. Yes clarion makes their headunits in china but they are very good quality of product unlike most things made there.

You've already contradicted yourself in a way.
Made a point about china's products using near slave labour and not having high quality of manufacture, and then saying that you bought a chinese made clarion head unit because it is a very good quality product? And the Fusion cap...I doubt that's made anywhere near the US.

Good products can be found anywhere...I guess i'm just being a stubborn ass and picking on the wording that your choosing to use.

Let's just agree on this one point - a lot of CRAP comes out of china/taiwan/korea...but as with most places, there is some good stuff to be found there.

The opposite applies too..a lot of good stuff comes from the US and Europe...but there's also some crap mixed in there that gets thru the filter...like Budweiser.

Exaclty and the clarion headunits are one of the few good things to come out of there and the fusion cap I bought cause it was cheap.

BTW I think you will find your RF amps are made in Mexico. :-P

Also can I add that in no way do I think that Cadence is any better or worse than Dynaudio as a car audio company. (I say "car audio company" as some of these companies you can't call manufacturers these days!)

(Also, you will find the first series of Audiobahn Immortal were made for Audiobahn by a different company, the current ones I can't say for sure. I haven't researched it.)

No RF amps are made in the US don't know nothing about 2004 models though

Marlin, you confuse me...
First you say:


Then you contradict yourself and state that no RF amps are made in the US?


Bye,
Mo

Amen to that! Some brands have become marketing companies fully with almost no R&D!!!


I would contemplate buying a certain product/brand by two things:
1) who owns the brand (you'd be surprised who owns who in the car audio world!)

Not all companies involved in the car audio business are interested in the music or the actual products. They may have started out that way but along the way due to one reason or the other either end up being bought out or change to become more profit orientated and start caring more about there shareholders than the products.

Like I was saying to some friends the other day, I'd buy shares from these companies as I know that my interest will be looked after, but not their products...

and
2) What parts are made in what country and by whom.

There's a certain thing called QC, quality control. Depending on where the product is made QC tests could be done on a random sample of 10% (considered to be the min for most manufacturing companies) up to every single product being tested (as with hand made products).

Some of the manufacturing companies that do oem work for some brands may not even do QC! I remember seeing a certain electronics plant in a certain neighbouring country where they had a kid slap on the "QC passed" stickers on the products, when asked what he did and he said " its my job to put these little stickers on these products".

Bye,
Mo

Im totally confused by you guys. I listen to what i like. i couldnt give a rats anus if it was made on mars for all i care so long as it sounds good to me and they have a reputable name in case anything goes wrong for warranty. thenkfully ive never ever had to make a warrenty claim on car audio products. as for all this talk abotu badge engineering. well hell it sure helps to keep prices down a bit. plus if u have one company makeing drivers for several "brands" then surely they have more R&D than all those companys would have.

Do you have any factual evidence to back up this claim?

all this reading has just reminded me of one time i was in a store which only sells Pioneer. i was auditioning a pair of pioneer splits, around the $300 mark, can't remember the model.
The guy tells me that all speakers from other brands, except for one (i think it was focal), are made by pioneer or based on technology developed and sold to them by pioneer.
i just smiled!!!

maybe the red store should head hunt this guy to get him on their payroll

i belive pioneer are one of the largest manafacture's of OEM speakers for car's etc

I think you are right.

I know Pioneer are the biggest maker of OEM speakers,
I have been told by a Pioneer Australia representative that Pioneer make 86% of the parts used in speakers worldwide.

Now I don't know if this is true but this was the information I was given by a Pioneer Australia Representative.

Don't you know 46% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

i thought that was 49%

LOL!

The bloke that told me this stat is a "by the book" sort of person.

Having said that it doesn't mean he was misinformed beforehand.

Well I'm a bit rusty here with some info but here it goes;

During my past employment, we collaborated with Pioneer (OEM) to manufacture some of our components.

That was in the mid to late '90's. Now, during this time, Pioneer controlled approx 70% of the market share coming out of Japan. Not sure about the world.

However, there is a very big distinction between Pioneer Aftermarket and Pioneer OEM Division. They work entirely independent from each other.

They were building speakers to our specs given from our engineers and our own lab measurements.

They can build some cool stuff. As long as you tell them how and what to use.

We were getting Nomex Skinned, Kevlar Honeycomb Cone with a rubberized dust dome. That had a 1.25" Voice coil for the 6.5"

The Passive network was brought in through yet another entirely different company in Mexico.

We have this "Free Trade" agreement between Canada, USA and Mexico called "NAFTA" (North America Free Trade Agreement)

So, it made sense to get them done there. Same reasons why VW gets their cars made in Pueblo, Mexico.

Might as well be two different companies.

The factory we were working with was like this;

The Pioneer engineers were in Taiwan and the products were being built in Taiwan, China and the Philippines.

So, the build quality may be a bit different as well.

BTW, Pioneer OEM is the Father of our most Loved/Hated 6" x 8" speakers in which was a request from FORD. The first 2 years, Pioneer produced well over 2 million 6 x 8 for Ford, Mazda and aftermarket speakers.

When all said and done, it's probably best (IMO) to treat this company as two different entities.