Well

Which one for a say Boston???

A Boston what? Do you want a regulated amp or not?

Pro 12 (either 4 or 2 ohms depending on the amp)

I would go with the LRx, although I have used neither so not a qualified opinion.

I would go the PG...while the Audison is nice amplifier from what I have seen it's reliability could be a bit better...

Roughcactus I would like you to back up your remark or remove it.

Our product is as reliable if not more than any reputable brand out there.

There are many Audison stockists, and they dont stock it because they get returns of faulty equipment.

I take it your remark is just because you dont sell Audison but DO sell PG.

I thought you had credability, you dissapoint me.
I mean the last time you sold an Audison was for a dodgy bloke in Geelong who shut shop and left bills in the tens of thousands unpaid.

Oh yes you did have a faulty amp, a LR605 (3 models ago) you destroyed it by running a sub at 1 ohm when in the manual it said 2 ohm stable only!
In fact I told you at the auto show that running it red hot that way would cause damage, you laughed and said so what it goes thermal and comes on again when it cools.

You ran it so hot that the solder melted on some components!

So as a responsable person people should trust you ?

To the person who made the original post, I suggest you speak with a number of other people who perhaps stock PG Audison and some other brands and get a real unbiased opinion, if a retailer who stocks both feels the PG suits your needs better, or is better value for money then I would not be so stupid as to tell you buy the Audison over the other amp.

FHRX Studios may be a person to PM as he not only sells both brands, he is also the tester for Incar Magazine so see's many different products.

Phil K

Both are great sounding amplifiers. I think you will find that there are a few members on these forums that HAVE had reliability issues with one of the amplifiers mentioned here however.

Ask around, go and have a look-see at both.

i would go the PG, after owning one of the Lrx1.400 AND having reliability issues with it (and another amp made by the same company) i wouldent touch one again.

also i ran my Lrx on a boston sub and wasent very impressed with the power output of it.

I am not disputing that there are occasional malfuntions, Rockford, PG, Alpine, Nackamici, Pionerrr, they all have them.

However, the way some people seem to talk is that they have an exceptionally high rate which is 100% incorrect.

Most amps we see returned under warranty have blown outputs and damage to the power supply, simply put it was abuse!

We sent a new SRx1 amp to FHRX whith instruction to see what it took to blow it up under stupid opperational perameters, the amp is still running.

In fact FHRX has sold many many Audison amps and has had two fail
One amp faulty out of the box - would not fire up.
Amp two it was discovered the owner decided to modify the install and had all but removed the earth wire.

We recently had one retailer scream that his VRx was faulty, upon investigation we also found his auto trans was going in to protection through insufficient power supply.

It seemed the customer liked to hammer the system which had a VRx1.500 at 1 ohm and a VRx 4.300 running F/R and lots of other toys. The life was being sucked out of the factory battery and half the cars electrical system was going down.

So that's our fault?

You cant bag a brand, any brand, becaudse some idots blow a product up and is unhappy when presented with a bill for repairs.

Red line your car repeatidly and when it blows clouds of smoke or worse yet blows up, then go and ask for warranty.


Phil K

my Lrx was used 3 times, 2 times it was run at 4ohm and for short period's, and the other time for 2 days @ 2ohm with 6 fan's keeping it cool! i wasent happy.

my other amp (hertz 5 chan made by the same company) went back to you phill 4-5 times!

could be just me, but after those odd's, would you want to go back?

Mr Bobby Digital,
You got a second hand amp (Hertz) for a price most people only dream of, when it went faulty you were given a brand new amp as a change over!
So why are you bitcin ?

With regards your LRx 1.400 who knows what you did with it, as I know you personally nothing would supprise me!

One thing I can say is that it is impossible to fit six fans to an LRx!

And if your talking external fans then I am sorry it is not what they tell you to use in the users manual, now is it ?

They use a system a little more complex, so once again you confirm that the unit was used out of manufacturers guide lines, you have a problem and now you think we are at fault.

Wow, I must buy a door lock from you and and try to open it with a key that is of the same brand just not for that lock.
When the key breaks off in the tumbler I can start having a bitc about your dud locks you sell because it broke my key off !

Well thats seems to be your logic, it certainly is not mine !

If there is a fault with a unit and you have installed and run the unit within its designated opperating spec's then we will gladly fix N/C any fault.

Anyway to anyone looking for a product my advice is simple, go audition them, find what you like and can afford and buy it.
Warranty is there for the customer and state laws are there to ensure everyone is kept honnest.


Phil K

Oh let's get all personal .... Poor form.

Well I have had a number of VRx's and a couple (3 I think actually) have blown. One of them unknown fault (suspected low voltage - very frequent reason given, who knows?) - returned repaired. Second one apparent fault - wire strands found their way into amp (fair enough). Returned - repaired, power up again, blows again - apparent fault - wire strands in amp again (this time no wire was stripped near amplifier). Third amp had a good life span, sold to another senior member here on CAA, it died (no apparent reason) repaired, returned. Enough said.

i was under the impression the Lrx1.400 diddent need fan's unless it was running 1ohm?

also the fans were not attached to the amp, were not connected to the same power supply and all they did was blow cold air onto the amp?

now in what was other than good dose that affect the amp??

man cold air can kill you amp's, there is a problem then!

luv seeing RM audio getting fired up...

on a side note: isnt it funny how audison was the "the big thing" only about year ago on CAA. EVERYONE was reccomending them, its funny how the tides change.

personaly to the original poster, i dont think you can go wrong with either they are both great and respectable brands. And to those posting about how their audisons have screwd up, sure they may be personal experiences but does anyone have any data to back up and show that audison has more failures or returns then say PG? if not, i believe its unfair to claim that audison has "reliability issues".

personally im a PG man myself, but i think its misleading to state ones personal experiences and assume that the same occurs in the general.

id choose the amp based on features that you require, relaibility (which IMO both have good reliability) power output, looks, and customer service from teh store you buy it from, and cost.

yeh theres a place that does the X600.1 very impressive price too...

Thank you dazdillinger, a voice of reason has pervailed.

You are 100% right.

Phil K

[quote="dazdillinger"]on a side note: isnt it funny how audison was the "the big thing" only about year ago on CAA. EVERYONE was reccomending them, its funny how the tides change.
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Yep, there isn't much in brand loyalty nowdays. I could go further but I'd get some sort of coloured card

Well when experiences change, so do opinions.

i've been using audison amps for a couple years now, including new and secondhand. my combo includes: VRx6.420.1, VRx2.150.1, VRx1.500.1 and SRx2.

i love them to pieces. top quality amp that makes me think of home audio: finesse, gorgeous cosmetics (VRx), and esoteric.

performance is excellent, including SQ and power output, and configuration options are very good up to awesome (on the VRx series).

i've heard of heaps of people being very please with the LRx series amps, and i'd continue to happily recommend them. very compact amps that pack a punch, and look nice and classy.

having said that, PG make excellent amps too. i recently acquired an old tantrum series amp and these are built like a tank. good features, heaps of power, and 1ohm stable per channel for the multichannels. good value stuff.

the xenon amps which have taken over from the tantrum series look very good on paper. i've not used one, but ought to be as good. maybe a bigger footprint than the LRx1.400 which may or may not be an issue for you.

good luck choosing.

I own an Audison LRx5.600, it is a very nice amp.
Yes I did have problems with it but I cannot blame the product on it as we do not know what caused it, it could have been an issue with my car power supply, it could have been a faulty comonent who knows? Who Cares?

The point is that Audison DO make a good product and when my amp went faulty RM fixed it up and tested it to make sure the fault wouldn't occur again.

I still reccomend Audison ans I was impressed with the performance of mine, all products have their faults, what turns us against products is that we may hear more about those faults than other brands.

Remember the more amps that are sold in one brand, more will potentially be faulty. See if Audison sell 1000 amps and 10 of them are faulty/abused in some way but PG only sells 100 amps where 1 is faulty, remember that in ratio PG have had the same amount of amps fail.
So if 1000 people have bought Audison you are more likely to hear more stories of them going wrong than out of the 100 people who bought PG, in the end, they have had the same failure rate.

I will continue to reccomend Audison as they are a good product and a lot of people in the business that are trusted and respected for their knowledge continue to sell and reccomend them.

All products have their faults, we just may not hear about them.'

My 2c

But shiny, this thread got on to the topic of reliability, and did you not have one blow up? (you failed to mention this?)

Don't get me wrong, Audison remains one of my all time favorite amplifiers. But the comment was made about reliability and it remains that there has been a number of reliability issues experienced by members on these very forums.

This experience alone would prevent me from purchasing another amplifier, but that's just my opinion.

As I said, audition them both (if possible), make your own mind up. But if a member comes on here to ask an opinion and a factual one is offered from experience, then CAA is indeed helping someone.

nah, didn't blow up. some of the rails corroded or something. this was your old amp that i gather had spent a bit of time sitting in your garage and probably collected some humidity/condensation; enough to cause corrosion. well, maybe, it's only speculation.

but it doesn't stop me from loving the amp. it's otherwise proved extremely reliable, as have my other audison amps.

Wow!!!! Aren't ppl fired up!!!!!!! Well To my very limited knowledge
1. Audisons quality is tad better than PG...or am i wrong
2. PG is more exotic and less stories about reliability probs


I'm actually leaning towards PG. I actually wanted a Ti, but not avail any more. and xenons are meant to be bit better than tantrum not as good as ti. According to PG guys nyways. Besides I think its more flexible (1-4 ohm 600RMS). As for looks I like the Octanes tho!!!!!!!!!!!!! See i'll never modify the amp or run it any less than 2ohm. Speaking of which If I get the xenon should i get the 2ohm or 4ohm version of boston pro??????

might as well go the 4ohm.

damn nice sub to btw

i wouldnt necessarily say that the audisons build quality is better than the PG, and that either is more exotic, the ti's and vrxs are both int eh same class IMO

both are built like tanks, and both highly sort after
and if you can find one definitely go the PG ti amps, i owned a couple and they never skipped a beat. even my gf thought they looked sexy

sum1 correct me if im wrong here ok, but im assuming that the xenon amp is 2 ohm stable?
if so then get the pro in either svc 2ohm or dvc 4+4 ohm so that you can get the most out of ur amp (im not sure wehtehr pros come in svc or dvc)

cables and amps - two things guaranteed to end in flames in an SQ forum

Xenons have a regulated power supply so they put out the same power no matter the impedance. Which is quite cool.

xenon's produce the same power from 1-4ohm...

beaten to it

Depends which way you look at it, I think its like a rev-limiter :?

It does mean you can't use free power - however it means at higher loads the switchmode is running at a pretty low duty cycle meaning it's not liekly to die any time soon, un-regulated the switchmode duty cycle is pretty much 45% the whole time..

Free power? At the price of what most of these regulated amps are going at, I demand it!

But yeah, lower level of componentry IMO as thermal tolerances are known thereby minimising cost.

good call

nahhhhh, you reckon ???

I'll be here all week, try the veal :wink:

Why would one choose the 4 ohm version over the 2ohm???

improved damping effect I guess some ppl could claim....

Phil,

A member asked for an opinion and ones was given...if you don't like it fair enough...but I call it as I see it and while Audison DO make a good amplifier in my experience the reliability has been lacking...I can name 3 people with Audison amplifiers who have had reliability issues...thats bad enough but one waited near on 3 months for his amp to be repaired...the failure rate may be the same as other brands but do the other manufacturers take as long to repair a faulty amp?

The fact I don't sell Audison has nothing to do with my opinion...my opinion is based on direct contact with your product and people who use it...

Dont start talking to me about credability Phil...take the good with the bad!, you have slagged off your oppositions products in front of me...how can you say your product is superior and the other stuff is crap do you sell both as FHRX does...are you really in a position to make that call...what little credability you had ran out a long time ago...

Yes I blew an Audison amp up about 5 years ago now... and yes I knew what I was doing...it was being run for a show...we were in a hurry and we knowingly wired it up to a 1.5 ohm load...MY FAULT and of course irresponsible...I will tell everybody right now the amp is not designed to run that low a load and I never tried to hide the fact from you...funny I have actually done that to a ZX-450 PG amp too and it was running 1.3 ohms no worries...sure it's not supposed to be run into that load but still...I had actually forgotten about that and will tell everybody right now my comments are not related to my experience with that particular amplifier which I know damn well I abused .

The fact my old employer was a terrible manager and went belly up has nothing to do with this issue so why bring it up?...you were happy enough with us when we selling your products. I was an employee and was in no way responsible for any company finances...I state fact Phil...you seem to like to throw mud and see if it sticks!, anyway as you told me in person at a CAA meet I'm sure your superspy brother who is in ASIO will break his legs for you.

What has trust got to do with my opinion?...a member wanted an opinion and I gave it to them...if you don't agree with my opinion thats your choice, if he doesn't listen to my opinion thats fine too...remember Phil opinions are like arseholes everybodys got em and mine is just as valid as anyone elses.

In closing Phil you really do take all this to heart...go home have a glass of warm milk and realise that others don't always hold the product you distribute in such high regard...nowhere in my response did I bag your product nor did I state untruths...

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