hi all,

sorry I have to open a new thread for this because it is slightly more general than my previous thread

anyway...I'm looking for upgrading my Focal Polykevlar 136K to something less bright, soft, accurate and good mid bass!

From my experience Focal is really accurate but I'm not very satisfied with the brightness of their tweeters..

I'm more into SQ but not pure SQ..so more like RnB, Hiphop, Pop

My budget is something up to $500 but hit me if you have anything in mind for higher than my budget (I will consider them)

I know it is a very long list...but please give me some idea..with their model numbers

I've looked around brands like dynaudio, morel, vibe, mb-quart, so on..but they all have different model, prices and all that...

btw..I will hook them up with my U-Dimension Amp: JR 5.4x - 5 Channels (4x40w and 1x100w at 4 ohm)
And here is my current system:
Pioneer deh-p7650mp
Front Focal 136K
Rear Focal co-axials
12"W6 JL Audio
And amp as above...

I'm considering to upgrade the front focal and rear focal co-axials to a really good pair of splits for the front stage...

thanks

From personal experience, Boston Pro's are very powerful and detailed, but you may find the same brightness probs as with your Focals. I now use Dynaudios and love them, I listen to just about every style of music and you always get a warm, detaled reproduction without the harshness of a metal dome tweet.

You could pick up a 2nd hand Dyn System 240 for that kind of cash.

Yes I have been considering Dynaudio 240GT but they are like $999 brand new...I was going for second hand on this forum but I guess they were already sold :evil:

Does dynaudio have an entry level? something closer to my budget... :hehe:

Have a look at the Rainbow SLC 265 Kickbass - they would fit that description perfectly!

They are $28 over your budget tho...

Bye,
Mo

No, Dynaudio only have the one line of products, no entry level there. But it should not be too hard to find a second hand set for $500 or less.

anyone knows where I can listen to some rainbow, dyns, mb-quart and boston in melbourne??

I guess the best way is to listen to them with my own ears..but let me know what the models I should look out for..

Dynaudio 240GT $650 delivered, new.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5726350125&rd=1

Dynaudio 240GT $530 + delivery, new.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5726491073&rd=1

Why not look at just replacing the tweeters if your happy wit the mids for $500 you could get a set of used supremos.

Of course the above prices are US$ and shipping to Australia, if you want them in the next month, is usually US$50 ontop.

So that would make them approx $800 by the time they get to your door, with no warranty of course. And that is just as out of your price range as the $900 brand new pair from a CAA supporting shop

Yeah thats not the best place to get a set of dyns I don't know what dyns retail for in the states but I think its at a similiar price in real terms to what we pay here unlike other brands where we pay 3-4 times as much.

I'd just like to share my experience and hope it helps you.....

I used to have Focal Utopia 165w on my first system and yes I couldnt agree more.... the tweeters are a bit bright.... I then change to Dynaudio system 240MK and wow... what a huge jump... its reproducing music in a soft and punchy way which doesnt hurt your ear.... the best thing is that it fits into almost all music.... R&B, Pop and Jazz..... but then I get bored with it after a while..... Its just me .... so I decided to try something different.... got myself a set of A/D/S 346is and honestly a bit dissapointed.... the midbass isnt as punchy as the Dyns.... but the tweeters are soft and natural as the Dyns..... dont get me wrong A/D/S is a good split but IMO its not quite the Dyns

So Im now using the Dynaudio system 340 for my front and use the a/d/s for the rear fill.... and sworn to never try anything other than dyns

And best to stay away from MB Quarts... it is even more brighter than your focal at the moment and trust me thats not where you wanna be.... but just a suggestion... its all up to you mate .....

for an extra $50 you can pick up a set of Morel Supremo's

probly better than spending $500 on a whole set of speakers....

second hand that is

I have the MB-Quart 6.5inch Ref splits and I find em really good. I have heard the Focals and I also agree about the tweet over brightness.
The Quarts tend to pump out too much Mid for me which can be a bit fatiguing If you have em loud for too long. The tweeters with a -3dB cut are really nice, not harsh or screechy. Maybe I'm listening to too much Delta :wink: Just kidding

Just as a point of reference the prices I listed was in AU dollars and one of them included delivery to OZ.

maybe give the supremos a go for that price
IMO having listened to dyns for quite a while they just werent "in your face" enough for rnb and hip hop
they were a bit too "polite" for want of a better word. however this was teh esotar tweeter so im not sure what the md100 is like
but yeah IMO im not sure if dyns would be the way to go for rnb and hip hop

I think the cheaper range of scanspseak will work verywell too. the 9300 series which is 2 model down from revolutor. fit your budget and the current Xover too. I mean ~ the same impedence so the Xover won't shift much.

I have actually come to a solution which is Dynaudio 220MKII...but then someone offered me a set of Focal 165K2P... :roll:

as all of you know...I'm upgrading from my Focal 136K (w/ 5" midbass and TN42 tweeter)..I was just wondering if the 165K2P is a much better splits (w/6.5 midbass and the new TN52 tioxid 5 tweeter)..are the tweeters less harsher/brighter than the TN42??

I've heard good things about Dyn and Focal..and I'm totally confused which one to choose between the 2...

I like the Focal in term of their detailed and accurate sounding (except the brightness of their tweets!!) and of course the 165K2P will give me more midbass but does anyone know if the 165K2P have a smoother tweets (TN52 tioxid 5 tweets)..??

thanks..

btw...the Dyn 220MKII is $600 brand new and the Focal 165K2P is $600 too (used but as new)

Just a brief specs of the 165K2P:
165mm (6-1/2") woofer,
40mm (1-9/16") v.coil,
100mm (4") magnet.
TN 52 tioxid 5 tweeter.
Separate crossover
18 dB/oct. (3.8kHz).
Adjustable tweeter and midrange level.
Max. power handling: 200W.
Nominal, power handling: 100W.
Sensitivity (2.8 V/1m): 92.5dB.
Frequency response:
70Hz-22kHz.

And specs of the Dyn 220MKII:
Two-way; set includes MW 150 5 3/4" MSP one-piece woofer with 3" Magnum aluminum voice coil, long-throw motor and vented, center dual-magnet structure, and MD 100 1.1"soft dome tweeter with 1.1" Magnaflux cooled aluminum voice coil and neodymium dualmagnet motor. Includes all hardware, grilles, crossovers and accessories. Audiophile quality crossover (X 250) is adjustable for three different tweeter operational modes. Phase correct, shallow slope crossover. Die-cast basket. Frequency response: 65 Hz - 25 kHz; 90 dB sens. 100 watts continuous.


can anyone comment on this? which one should I get?

I think just changing tweets is great advice coz if thats all that bugging you why uproot the whole thing ?

If you want to audition the dyn tweet Im happy to let you listen to my system. Personally I think the focals are one of the nicer hard domes you can get but my experience is mostly with utopias so not sure how the lower end focals perform. I have always prefered soft domes but if I did go hard dome focals would be top of my list.

Anyway PM if you want to listen to the dyns and you can decide for yourself if they suit your tastes. Im a big rap and RnB fan so dont agree with the dyns dont suit it POV cause sounds OK to me on my system
peace
Cyberpunky

why only dyn n focal on your list? is it because they're very very very very famous brand, or because u are like their sound? cos honestly most of my fre buy dyn n focal not because they have good sound but because they are very famous brand

there's plenty good speaker out there,beside dyn n focal, i even soon will ditch my dyn,cos i've heard better speaker(according to me),n i'll buy that speaker,soon :D

Yes, Bruce...there are many good speakers around but please beware that he only have a limited budget. i knew that u will ditch ur dyn and upgrade to a better speakers which cost more than $1000 perhaps.

For me if need something that fall into your price range the dynaudio is truely the best of your bang. The detail and smoothness of the speakers is accurate. The only draw back is it lack of some midbass. That's why i strong recommanded to used alot of door deadening and also have the Dynamat Xsorb which place in the back of the midbass.

anyone here in melbourne knows where I can audition a set of 2 way dynaudio (240GT, 220MKII, ...)??

I'm going to audition the Focal 165K2P today, see how i go...

for the type of music you listen to (r'n'b..etc) you need smoother tweeters. Metal tweeters in general(the ones i'v run into so far), tend to be little too bright for my liking(then again the type rs are also soft but tend to be a bit bright). Soft tweeters are perfect (morel built ones mainly). As for the midbass morel drivers are super strong, and i'd think the poly Ks would be about the same. Your solution would be to try and put the tweets in the kicks(makes a lot of diference) or buy your self some softdomes (don't really hav to get supremos or anything, MT23 ~$200 wud do) if u r happy with the current midbass. No point in wasting money on new sets if your slightly unhappy with midbass, you'd put that into deadening. But IMO (i had same brightness probs) you shud avoid metal tweeters esp. focals.

I have auditioned the focal utopia and the dyns 240 on a demo board before. WHen first heard the focal, I thought it was an excellent speaker because of the accuracy and the details it reveals. But after I tried the dyns, I reckon it is a step above in terms of the richness and warmth in midbass and definitely not as bright. (highs)

Do you definitely need to power up those coxials at the back? If not, maybe you can try to bridge the 4 chanels for more power to the frontstage. (if it is bridgable)

IMO, your HU could be contributing "harshness" into the music. I used to have an Alpine 7894rb (everything set flat) with a full on xtant system and always find the music very harsh and bright, treble heavy when cranked up. I later on switched to a nakamichi mb100 (everything set flat too) and it is a lot smoother, the harshness is gone and crank it up for a long time without getting a headache.

My experience some of the alpine HU is similar, had to turn the tweets down a notch but still wasn't happy, a Nak CD-400 rescued me though :wink:

noidea:

his price range is $500,but from what i read all the speaker that he meantioned cost more than $800,so i guest he already rising his price range to $800+ since he also going to audioned focal k2p($880) n focal n dyn is completely diff speaker, they not similar, they opposite, focal is live n bright,dyn is smooth n warm,there's no way people who like dyn will like focal n vice versa

joey kev i think u better auditioned speaker with similar characterisitic the one that suit u, not speaker with the opposite characteristic

noidea:
"joey kev i think u better auditioned speaker with similar characterisitic the one that suit u, not speaker with the opposite characteristic."


Yeah. a very true statement.

well the thing is my aim is undecided yet (live and bright or warm and soft?) ...so far I've been listening to focal, focal and yet another focal today the 165K2P.. (well I have auditioned some morels too and my friends seas (oh yeah seas is really nice!)

The 165K2P is a really good set of speakers...I'm very amazed with the midbass and the tweeters are less bright and more alive than the 136K I have...

My friend has some seas splits and they sound really nice with their 4" tweets..hell yeah..such an amazing speakers...warm and soft...
which makes me think that I should go for the dyn.... :roll:

Pity i didnt see this yesterday as i have just refitted my Dyn 240GT's and wired them up on saturday.. and they are running off an LRx2.500 too..

when are you planning on having a demo as i might be able to arrange something for thursday or friday night??

drop me a PM and go from there..