just wondering how important it is to angle the mids and tweets to the opposite head rest?

ive been playing around with mine (planning stages) and it looks as if they will get in the way of peoples feet etc etc (price you pay for owning a small car)

so just wondering if my SQ will decrease dramatically by bringing the angle back a bit so they dont get in the way

ANgling the tweeters will have a very big effect, not so much the mids. The frequency's the tweeters play are very directional so I would recommend angling them as much as you can, and with the mids angling them as much as you can without it being to impractical. Becasue the mids will be playing lower frequencies it wont be 'as' important but just do as much as you can

Tweeters are what you think they are. I have mine up under the dash and firing at an upwards angle. You can't see them at all. People think that the old tweets in my doors are the ones that are working

I would suggest you connect tweeters only off the crossovers and play with the angles till you get the stage and image you are looking for. then do the same for the mids, just remember to disconnect the tweeters so you can listen to the mids on their own.

all speakers are important, try turning your home speakers at angles and see if you still have the same effect as having them fire at you, i bet you'll find that they will not sound the same.

dont call me stupid, but i was wondering what a possible technique could be to adjust the angle of the speaker on the pod while experementing to find the right angle?

blu-tak

Something to remember is that some tweeters actually have a better off axis response than what they do on axis.
It is best to play with positioning and as ICACHA reccomends use blu tac for temporary positioning.

how the hell do you blu tack a midrange speaker into position? (ie heavy)

ahahahahahaha

I though you wanted to know for the tweeters

for the mid you make a ring and screw the speaker to that ring, screw some back straps to the rear of it and screw to where your going to have the speaker. push and pull the back straps to angle speaker.

not that wasn't hard to think of now wasn't it?

you wouldnt have a pic would you ICATCHA?

Angling the tweeter has a very big effect on the staging and I suggest you to angle the pods as much as possible. Even if you bring it back a bit, the effect caused is noticable. It is a price to pay to have a good staging, not a price to pay to have a small car.

I think tweeter angling is critical but dont think it is with Mids. The main issue with mids is often standing wave issues that will happen when they are mounted firing at opposite door as the freqs involved are the right distance for standing waves.

As little as 15 degrees off flat is often enough to avoid standing waves. The other often neglected issue with mids is the rear wave reflecting back on the driver. Using deflex panles or similar will avoid this, as using dacron on doors isnt an option
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Cyberpunky

thanks for the replys guys

ive decided ill angle the mids to some extent, but not fully - should get started making them tomorrow

ill play around with the tweets tho, as there easier to do

thanks again

On this topic, I have cadence z602 splits in a VN commodore, with the tweeters under the grills where the standard speakers go in the dash, and the mids in the door. the sounds seems very 'brash' - could this be where the tweeters are placed?

Hi guys,, this is sort of on topic,, what possible way is there to get some rear staging in a ute.. is it possible to use ambient tweeters to give some rear staging effect... as you can appreciate,,, alot of points are lost by having no rear staging.. any good ideas.... Regards Grae

Pajero: well u wont lose any points for not having rear *fill*. Tweeters are not the answer.

if you really wanted some fill a 4 inch in a small box, in centre(mono) with out a tweeter and HP above 600 ish HZ. It wont need a big box as you dont want any midbass info from it or high freq info. A coax with the tinsel leads cut is another option.

Personally I have treid all rear fill options and dont run any as I couldnt do it without degrading the front *stage*. Id suggest you focus on your front stage and forget rear fill altogether, as it wont effect points at all, and if you use rear fill it may lose you some.

Kicker cat. This is definatly the case. tweeters at glass level often sound brash or harsh as the reflections dont soften it any. You will also notice a fair bit of sepration. It may pay to try them in other places like kicks or on doors(with blutac) until you find a spot that sounds good and images well too, as well as avoiding seperation issues.
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Cyberpunky

WRONG!

90% of the imaging cues come from the mids. 600-2k is really where it's at.

Tweeters add a sense of ambience. That's about it.

Phil

PS: don't believe me? I sure 90% of you "new" SQ heads don't.

Dis-connect your tweeters and listen, tell me where the centre vocals come from.

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