anyone who went, got pics???


any stories, or experiences???

You missed out on a HELL OF A LOTTA FUN!



BTW: What happens in Wagga, stays in Wagga

^ at least Righty hopes so any way

Some people got a little sideways, some people got very sideways...

Wagga is an interesting place to say the least.

As for the comp. Some interesting - and supprising results from a judges perspective. Some very nice installs getting about.

Didnt get to see any of the dB drags.

cant believe after years of having the same setup bruce can take out the nationals...

true testament to old school install teqniques and old school knowledge...

cant believe wot happened to marty,

from all reports his car is magic...

seems a lil suss he dropped to last place with the gear and expertice....

i know.... its surprising how a Focal Be 3 way front end, dual monitor amps and a HXD2 can come a clear 10 points behind the next placed car... as well as being 40 points down on what he normally scores...

thats what i wa thinking matt,,,


i thought marty would have been clear favourite, his reputation as one of the best installers in the counrty, and the list of his gear makes it hard to believe...

someone mus have bought the judges some scocth

Serious?

Its the only setup that has sent shivers down my spine...

Here are some pics i took




Oh, and roo looks like he has been beaten six ways from sunday with a backo shovel

nice pics nath...


anyone care to share what happened to drop him 40 points or wotever...

at least he got a bottle of jack out of it apparantly for being a god bloke..

which was taken back off him...apparently............


i had a Listen to the car, and it was sounding the best it has ever had

Anyone have some prelim scores? For those that aren't in the loop, and waiting for the official scores to hit.

I could understand him dropping a few points, but 40 is a huge amount to drop really, unless he changed something or busted something on the trip down

car was working perfectly.

I Demand a Recount!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Am St

Sierra 119.
Poisoner 118. 43 on countback
Antony 118, 42
Spyne 118. 40
mad89 116

Pro St
Cyberpunky 106?
Pulse-R ?
Cruiser ?
muzzy66 92
n_16er 91
Marty (FHRX) 83

not sure on shw classes

taken back off him???

so the premier car in aus, reputation gear, and work and tuning skill wise drops 40 points, and he gets bottle taken off him after being given???


sounds like wagga was fun....

was there a blue that i/ we who didnt go missed???

sounds like someone got it in for marty, from my limited experience with him, and by all acconts ever, hes a great bloke, and definitely a peoples man on MEA...

bit sadening for such a strong supporter of the industry in this country...

yep, kinda makes me glad i didnt take my car down

seems we missed out on a tonne of fun...

what was the night life like on saturday nite???

messy i imagine..

Trism, Charlie (and every one else commenting without knowing facts) - Being that Rob & I judged that class I take offence to the tone in which that post appears to have been written. Both Rob and I were very through in our judging of each and EVERY car we judged - as I can confidently say all of the other judges would have been also when judging.
We are unbiased - it is not in our best interests to be biased.
A.) because it would reflect in our credability
B.) because we want to see the BEST cars win at the end of the day.
C.) Niether Rob nor I had a car in the competition
As for "40 points" - whilst I personally dont know what the final scores were (the judges dont know the results until you guys, the competitors, do), must I really remind you that we have stated time and time again that there is a reference set and all cars are referenced to one another to give a final score - this is why are car can easily score well below its normal average at any given event - including but not limited to national finals, dependant on the competition it faces on the day.
I have no doubt what so ever that if given to any other two judges to judge that class and the final standings would have been the same - the scores numerically may have been different depending on where the judges set their reference point (as per many previous threads).
And undoubtedly good quality equipment doesnt guarantee perfect results - no matter who they are owned installed or tuned by. Professional or ammature things can, will & do go wrong on the day for competitors. Be it equipment failures, lost settings or what ever.

I'd advise you think about this before letting your gums flap out of turn again and questioning the ability and credibility of ANY of the CAASQ judges. To compete in CAASQ & to be a member of MEA is a privaledge not a right.

As for the bottle of alcohol give to those involved. This was taken back for safe keeping due to a liquor licencing issue and every one has / will be getting it back AFAIK.

just curious then, what was the reference, who set it, and what were the main flaws with the car?

hey, i wasnt there dude, im not having a go, it jsut seems wierd that someone who spends his days working on audio, and has the most expensive system ended up with such a crud score...

it was a simple question, ill flap my gums all i want...

it just seemed rather strange that he was last, i cant see a perfectionist like that letting anything slip...

i never questioned the judges, i just wanted to know what had happened as i expected him to clean up...



it seems u may have jumped to a conclusions kirk

and as to the alcohol incident, i said 'apparently'

if you aint guilty, then there no need to assume that we think that you are

Now, you say you take offence to a tone.

How about myself taking offence to you and fudd coming up to me, and personally attacking me as a person? I quote "you arent allowed here, people from your area arent suppose to be here, go away" and "like i said before people from your area arent allowed here, no actually, people from your house arent allowed here". So not only do you disrespect myself, you disrespect my family? Not only was it from people i had never met before, it was from CAASQ Judges! You are representing MEA, and CAASQ. Now tell me there is no bias there?

Also, "To compete in CAASQ & to be a member of MEA is a privaledge not a right."

we pay $35 a round and $110 for finals...

id like to see you take that "privaledge" away from me when im there waving cash infront of your eyes....

I really can't believe some of the comments in this thread. It's obvious they are misinformed, were not at the event, and are forming their own conclusions.

Need I remind you that some of the things you say can seriously impact on the reputation of a format and an organisation, not to mention criticising the judges credability that has been earnt fairly for a few years now.

In response to some of the specific comments this year ...

The winner of said class (being Bruce Embline or Cyberpunky on these forums) has been in this industry and sound quality competition longer than any other competitor has been into car audio (and in some cases even alive). He also developed this original concept of the format and assists in judges training in Victoria. To say that he is not the most knowledgeable about tuning a car for SQ competition would be an insult. You're all making out that Marty is the bees-knees in car audio - I'm here to say that whilst I have full respect for Marty and his achievements, there are many others out there that know just as much, are just as talented, but don't have high profiles. Many of those in Pro Street this year that actually achieved higher scores fall into that category. I could give you a run down of the knowledge, experience, accolodes and achievements of each and every Pro Street competitor at finals this year. They are certainly not amateurs.

Trism - the comments made to you were you in a joking manor. Do not try to make an issue out of something that didn't exist and make it sound far worse than what really happened.

In regards to the alcohol. Each judge was given a bottle of Jakc Daniels in the nightclub as a token of appreciation. Management of the nightclub informed us that they were not allowed to be on the premises (for being glass, and for alcohol not purchased on the premises). All the judges (except for Rob and Kirk who left before I saw them today) were given their bottles back today. Marty was going to catch up with me today and I would have given him his, I didn't hear from him.

What's not been said so far was that the event was an absolute success. MANY had a fantastic time and it was a very enjoyable weekend, the best finals event yet.

I suggest many of you commenting in this thread (particuarly the ones that weren't even there) back right off, and stop adding fuel to a fire that doesn't even exist.

Finals are finals, there are winners and runner up's. This has been run and won. All in all, many were exstatic with their results and what they have learnt from the weekend. I know many of the NSW competitors and QLD competitors were around at our hotel today listening to the winning or well placing VIC cars and ALL agreed at how good the cars sounded. Perhaps some of what they have learnt today has educated them at what they should be trying to achieve and perhaps even become their new reference.

Sorry to cause sh1t, and continue with this issue, but i can assure you, as you weren't there at the time, they were NOT said in a joking manner, and i was deeply offended by it.

Well then (as the rule clearly state) 'no further correspondence will be entered into', the forums were perhaps not the best place to raise the issue, and you should have come and spoken to me immediately about the issue.

It's dissapointing NSW cars as a whole didn't figure as highly as some of you may have expected at the finals. That's unfortunate and highlights that perhaps there needs to be more state interaction other than at the deciding event of the year. Perhaps the reference NSW has used is not the most accurate on a national level. We're planning to have a NSW vs VIC event early in the year but despite the name of the event, its more a familiarisation day for NSW and VIC competitors to share knowledge and reference points (for both Judges and Competitors).

Finally, there was a few making reference to the monetary value of the equipment in Marty's car. I'd just like to point out that the winner's car in Pro Street has in excess of $30,000 worth of equipment alone. But as we all know it doesn't matter how good or bad, (or how expensive) equipment is, it all comes down to the execution of the installation, the tuning, and the countless hours of refinement that will determine a winning car.

All the NSW guys went done there knowing that all you other guys seem to underjudge cars from up here. Has happned in the past, and im sure, will happen again.

Not taking anything away from those to won classes, or lost them. Im just saying, for whatever reason, a person from NSW never, wins :S

If they were the best sounding cars on the day, they would win.

So are you claiming NSW is deliberately and intentionally scored lower? Why would that happen? What would that achieve. If we were about to do that we may as well just stop CAASQ now - you know, the format we are trying to turn into a national format and keep growing!

Wake up to yourselves.

Bit of a shame big tough Blake didn't show up but I guess it's all talk as usual, would have been good to meet up

For someone who is ment to be head of this organisation, you have seemed to take a very rude tone on many of your recent posts ? Are you hiding something ?

If you read what i wrote, I simply said no one from NSW wins. When did i say we were judged worse, or harshly ?

Perhaps you should wake up to yourself and read what people write my friend.

I asked you a question that is all, which you have failed to even acknowledge but instead try to turn it around on me. If you find that rude that is because context is all too often lost in internet posts. It is your fellow state siders who are suggesting foul judging and similar techniques. How would you react yourself if you were in my position.

This is all too similar to what NSW competitors were suggesting after finals last year. For me, it's very disappointing to see these reactions and I personally don't feel it reflects greatly on 'some' of the competitor base.

Huh! um when you said *all you other guys seem to underjudge...* you ARE saying we(nsw) were judged worse, or harshly and stating it cause of where your from...

Do you understand english ?

what is all this crap really about...at first its how can the most expensive system, from the most expereinced guy ie marty not win...then when its pointed out my systems worth more and i have more experience...its a conspiracy against nsw ??

ffs grow some balls and stop carrying on like 13 yo school girls... I would say your bad losers but you guys who are saying this ,werent even in the class in question and most of you werent even there. All the nsw guys who listened to my car, seemed to think it sounded ok. Anyway, way to ruin what had been a great weekend for me and take the gloss off what I have acheived.
nice one
cyberpunky

perhaps you may wanna read what you wrote????

Omg, wait for it, give me an english lesson. Let me highlight something in bold, and perhaps you can reread it.

All the NSW guys went done there knowing that all you other guys seem to underjudge cars from up here. Has happned in the past, and im sure, will happen again.

It, and here is that word again, seems like people from NSW are judged differently.

Time to look up the word seem. Quick stop to dictionary.com brings up this meaning. To appear to be, feel, do, etc

So, it appears something is going on here, but never once do i say there is any conspiracy, or any foul doing by any of the judges or other entrants.

My words were chosen on purpose, do not imply things that I have not written.

So, what did I intend to say in my first post before everyone else decided to get defensive, call us (nsw) children, and sore lossers (which is in itself a very childish comment). Nobody has won from NSW. So, what can we take from this. Perhaps out refrence just isnt as high as other states, or perhaps the different air pressure effects our tunning, :S. Who knows, but im sure we can ALL take something out of this, and improve our systems.

I am going to try my best to make this post as diplomatic as possible.

It could be a number of things, noise problems due to something simple like a faulty RCA lead or poor battery voltage (meaning the alt would have to work its ring off) a faulty piece of equipment, or that the car just didn't sound as good as the others in the category.

Marty was up against some very stiff competition too so congratulations to the guys that did well!

There are a lot of stores out there that have reputations for doing a certain std of work that may not actually be as good as they make out to be or the general consensus of the enthusiasts that worship them make out. (I use the term worship for want of a better one )

No offense to Marty, his work looks great. I have never had the opportunity to listen to it though.

I know some people that have some of the very best equipment available that have systems that sound awful, one of them is an owner installation and the other is an install done by a high end store. (And I'm sure there are others out there too)

Some stores/installers too have certain preferences and ways of tuning systems that might not be compatible with judges, I know one store in particular that has a loyal customer base and that store turns out systems that I have found awful to listen too, now is this a bad thing? Possibly, but it also might mean that the customers are requesting the system to sound like this too or they go to this store because the store has a reputation for turning work out that way.

I'm very confident that Marty will find out the problems which meant his car scored poorly and rectify them, he seems like he is very professional and if he wants to compete in Pro SQ then he will do what it takes to improve.

–verb (used without object)
1. to appear to be, feel, do, etc.: She seems better this morning.
2. to appear to one's own senses, mind, observation, judgment, etc.: It seems to me that someone is calling.
3. to appear to exist: There seems no need to go now.
4. to appear to be true, probable, or evident: It seems likely to rain.
5. to give the outward appearance of being or to pretend to be: He only seems friendly because he wants you to like him.
[Origin: 1150–1200; ME seme < ON sɶma to befit, beseem, deriv. of sɶmr fitting, seemly; akin to sōmi honor]

—Synonyms 4. Seem, appear, look refer to an outward aspect that may or may not be contrary to reality. Seem is applied to something that has an aspect of truth and probability: It seems warmer today. Appear suggests the giving of an impression that may be superficial or illusory: The house appears to be deserted. Look more vividly suggests the use of the eye (literally or figuratively) or the aspect as perceived by the eye: She looked very much frightened.

see the bits in bold ???



maybe you should choose your words even more carefully

If your going to use a dictionary then put full definition was my point.



__________________________________________________"All the NSW guys went done there knowing that all you other guys seem to underjudge cars from up here."
Any reasonable person would read what you wrote as saying *NSW guys went done(down?) there knowing that all you guys(you ppl:ie Vic judges)seem (to appear to be true, probable, or evident) underjudge ppl from up here (NSW). So your are in fact saying you cop a raw deal, you expected it and its *you other guys* fault. Maybe my comprehension of what you stated doesnt agree with what you intended but I guess thats my fault too.


You then go on to say *Not taking anything away from those to won classes, or lost them. Im just saying, for whatever reason, a person from NSW never, wins :S* well actually in the context of what you wrote above it is only fair and reasonable to read that as *I dont mean to take anything away from what happened but we cant win, and so in fact I am prepared to take something away from those who competed and am saying its rigged cause we(nsw) cant win. Im calling that sour grapes.


You later reply that your english is exemplary and its other ppls comprehension abilities that are lacking. I could point out the excessively poor grammar etc but the fact remains that what YOU wrote was inflamatory, prejudiced, misinformed, ignorant, and to be honest down right rude. Im sure you believe by inserting a *seem* there, you were exhonerated from all you STATED, but your not. You wrote it...deal with it, and feel free to apologise anytime AR3NBE. Idiots like you should either head back to school before using a keyboard or just learn to STFU
have a nice day

I can say it wasnt just judges who commented on Marty's car, several people who listened to it along with some of the other cars in Pro Street, those people said they were actually disappointed with Marty's car they expected so much more of it and that quite a few of the Amateur cars they listened too sounded better. But I didn't personally listen to his car but I did listen to the the 1st and 2nd placing cars, and I can personally say those cars sounded amazing, DID ANY OF YOU HEAR THOSE CARS? Just like most people who listened to Alan's car said they knew it was going to win Am ST it was just a step above, just like Bruce and Simon's cars were in Pro St. Apparently Marty admitted anyway that his car sounds nowhere near as good as it should but he is having issues and he can't figure out what it is.


One comment I noticed above that really crapted me was regarding people not getting there usual Judges, thats the idea because if you did you have an immediate advantage since you got to tune for there ears all season vs people who have no idea how a particular judge likes things. A prime example, us Qld guys got in the NSW cars and went um is there a sub in this car and when the NSW guys got in our cars they were like whoa why so much subbass.


So I say guys were is your SPIRIT and PRIDE for CAA/MEA it's not all about the comp I came like 12th or 13th we didn't have a Qld judge and all the other stuff people have been bitching about, but who cares I had a great time and so did the guys I went with. Plus I got to see so many different new things to try in my own car and listen to some awesome cars Simon's/Pulse-R's car was the stand out for me, amazing detail but smooth and yet sharp when required and absolutely gob smacking amounts of dynamics.


Oh and thanks to everyone responsible for organising the event and thanks too all the guys well mostly VIC's who stayed at the same hotel as us for making us Qlders feel so welcome, I had and I can probably speak for the others we had a great time and part of that is thanks to you guys.

first off did you guys listen to half of the winning cars?

i listened to quite a few cars (from all states) as thats what i came to do and the social aspect aswell (but thats not the point). me as ash (arc_honda) went around together, as we picked the winner from am st, and top 2 from pro street. just by listening and going yer this rocks.

i was quite looking foward to hearing martys system, as its been raved about ALOT. and honestly to me i didnt live up the the hype (yes im sure ill get flamed for this, but i dont care). yes it was a nice system, but i can see why he didnt win after listening to the other cars.

there was only a few systems that put i smile on my face while listening to them. the tuning between states is varstly diffrent, i found 3/4 of the nsw cars to be very clinical, they were accurate, but lacked dynamics, and to me personaly were boring to listen to. i see now why u all complain that u need to turn your sub bass up after comps, as there was no impact from them (on that tune). the only nsw system that i would listen to daily was the one with supremos.


socialy it was a great weekend, i highly enjoyed meeting everone, defenatly will be up for next year!

ive just driven 16 and a bit hours to come home and find people bitching about finals.....ive only skimmed over a few posts but for people to come out and complain about the judging process

trism marty isnt the only one who scored lower than usual.....i was a good 16 points down on my last comp but you just have to cop these things on the chin.....its clear when you listen to the victorians cars (especially allans) that they do sound alot different to ours (queensland cars) and then the nsw cars are different again

lets not focus on the negatives (like the fact it takes us longer to get out of queensland than it does for everyone else to make thier entire journey)

oh yeah....how good was that weekend....cant wait till next year

its great to see everyone come togather to share a common interest....of drinking.....i mean car audio


edit: i just went and read through some of the initial posts and i must say im very disappointed in what some people have to say.....really if you had a real issue you would take it up in private

I dont know wot all you NSW people are complaining about in my opinion NSW cars had no sub bass wot so ever, maybe if you all turned your sub level up abit you might have placed better.

Will post more latter gotta take mrs to work.


For all those who didnt go and a bitching wake up if you wernt there to listen to other cars and compare dont coment you got no idea wot your talking about. Maybe next yr you can all make the effort to go to finals...

I didnt listen to any other cars, but judging from previous PBs, many people on the day scored lower. You've all gotta remember that different judges like different things. NSW and QLD should be thanking MEA/CAASQ for allowing us the opportunity to hear feedback from unbias judges from different states. Wagga is meant to be fun...don't start being sore losers because one state seemed to bring from more trophies.

Riley, disappointed you didnt get a placing, and Geoff, well done on your placing.

I know i should have come allong, my countanance and knowledge would have been a blessing to u all...............cors

I choose my words for my intended meaning. If we were to play a definition game im sure I could rip apart everyones posts and make them imply things that were not originally intended.

Im going to say it again, congrats go the winners, and I hope everyone else can take something back from this event and use it to improve their systems.

Peace.

lol @ corey...for once, i actually get the point of ur post mate - and yes, u should have come up, was an awesome weekend

3 points i would like to make:
1. if you weren't there, or you were but didnt listen to winners AND place-getters, then stop typing. you have nothing to base your opinions on
2. different states have different reference systems throughout the year, which means they are tuned completely differently to other states. this was clearly expressed by the scores achieved at wagga.
3. the judges for all classes are VERY good at what they do, and i am extemely confident in their ability to judge stereos WITHOUT bias

i am ecstatic with my (joint 2nd) 4th placing in am. st. i listened to alan's car (again), jono's and a few others from my class and can honestly say i was not too surprised by the results

same again for pro st. i listened to both simon's and marty's car and agree with the results there. unfortunately i didnt get to listen to bruce's, but based on other peoples comments (people whom i know share similar ideal's as me with regards to sq), i am not surprised he won

the point of it is though - WAGGA WAS A GREAT SOCIAL EVENT, AND A ROARING SUCCESS FOR CAA/MEA!!

BRING ON 2008

So...where is our judging sheets so we can see where we went wrong and improve for next year?

there is no feedback from finals, you dont get judging sheet back...

Similar to Marty, I scored (a lot) lower than I expected. BUT I'm from VIC. AND I like the judges. So go figure!!! At the end of the day, get the feedback you can, and make it better next time. I for one had a great time, including the fully clothed midnight swim! Thanks Marc, Dan, Ness, Judges, DB Boys, and competitors. Mad89 and other NSW boys, I kept trying to get around to listening to some of your cars, but due to unforseen circumstances (EG helping Fury with his Bora ) I didn't make it. Looking forward to next season, and possibly getting interstate before finals for a catch up

LOL! true that... It was like the best weekend ever!

what the hell...............................................

Sounds like AM Street comp was a blast, so close thats so awesome.

Im interested to see the points of view regarding different references for each state for the year, and with people commenting on sub bass being down for NSW cars and a bit too much in QLD cars.

AFAIK the sub bass being incorporated/toned down so much for most NSW systems was for the judges all year right? I lost points in Round 1 for having mine up too much, in turning it down for round 2 my sub bass scored the best with my highs beeing too bright.

With such large differences with all states that makes it pretty tough to draw a line between them all, finding a good medium? I mean obviously each states judges are gonna find quite a big difference between the cars if each state's judges throughout the rounds become quite well 'adjusted' so to speak to what they are used to hearing. It is interesting to note, because from the sounds of it each state rocked up with a fairly different but unique sound.


Over the next couple of months ill be considering the amount of time ill be able to commit to Car Audio and i am hoping to compete next year, even if only part time.

Its really good to see so many people had an awesome time, sounds like a lot of fun. I really wish i could have locked it in but due to work commitments became too much. Hopefully i can make it next year, congrats to all competitors and well done.

EDIT:

Added i wish i could have heard some of the cars there, bet they sounded fantastic.

Cheers

ok first up Trisim - it was just a joke. stop trying to make more out of it than what it was.


as for the judging. martys car not winning, bruces car winning.

it pretty much comes down to bruces car was better, martys was not. look at the scores.
i dont care who's car i am judging, i judge them the same.

i will not go into why martys car didnt win, thats between me, kirk and the score sheet.