I am currently looking at revamping the boot in my my02 rex and i need some advice on sub selection? I am currently using a soundstream reference 405s to power the front stage (Boston Pro 6.4) & rear (eclipse SC8355) followed by PDX 1.100 to run an eclipse 7124.4 (firing into the cabin through the rear seats). Looking for more sq than anything else, any advice (focal? boston?) . Cheers

Budget? For SQ there are plenty of good subs out there. I'd look at Boston, DLS, Focal, Hertz, Morel and Image Dynamics to name a few to get you started.

Sorry to hijack but i have pretty much the same question so no point starting another thread.

I have an MRD1005. I am looking for a single 10" to put in my mini. Can some people please give their opinions on which sub would be better for SQ giving that i have 1000wrms at 2ohm to play with. I want to run it in a small sealed box (tiny boot). And my front end will consist of either 5-3/4" (dyn) or 5-1/2" (alpine F1) splits.

IDMAX10 D4
Alpine Type X
Focal 33KX
Boston G5
JL W7

Open to other options to.

I am really chasing Fast accurate bass that will blend well with my front end.

Cheers

MAX or G5.

treo SSi

For a strict SQ purpose, i would say there is much better out there. Both the above mentioned subs are good for sq, and go quite loud. However, i wouldnt say they were fantastic for SQ

Depends how SQ you guys want it ?

JL W3 or W7

I am after real tight accurate sound reproduction but hoping that it still can take a bit of power when its at peak (nothing too boomy).How do you find your kappas? I have never heard them but a guy I work with swears by them.

Ti12DElite

The acoustic 'definitions' you guys are using (boomy, fast, tight etc.) are all BOX defined, not woofer. You can buy any of the woofers relayed on this thread, put it into a box and get the results you desire.

The woofer itself determines tonality, colour and accuracy. All of these contribute to a small fraction of the overall sound, and is something most newbies cant tell the difference between.

In short, you'll be happy with any of these woofers, in the right enclosure.

Morel Ultimo, Focal 33KX or DLS Nobelium.

I had an Infinty Kappa Perfect 12.1 running sealed with 500wrms in my pulsar. Sounded pretty good. Punchy and tight for a 12" but lacked bottom end in comparison to Type R/X alpine woofers.

Very well could have been the box it was in but. I would keep using the sub but the boot in the mini is more suited to a 10".

I am leaning towards the Type X 10" as the rest of my system is all alpine. Considering its going to be in 0.5cuft box with 1000wrms do you guys think it will make decent low end or will it lack because of the tiny box? Would any of the Subs mentioned above make better low end (compared with type X) in 0.5cuft with 1000wrms?

Focal 33KX is 13", not 10" hahaha
you want the 27kX (11")

otherwise the boston or the ID.

damn it thematt i always find you saying the same thing about subs and speaker placement. sure you can make almost any sub sound boomy tight or fast and punchy but it is easier to acheive what your after with an appropriate subwoofer.

yeh i've heard the focals and the idmax and i believe that the focals offer a tighter bass sound. although you might want to look into phatt subs they sound really crisp and dont require a large box like what the IDMax's might require.

Thats a fair comment, but if I keep on saying it, may it be not a small amount of truth behind it? May it be that marketing gimmicks and perceptions are bias somewhat? Or that the sounds you are hearing are easily replicated?

I've heard both the focals and IDMax too. In fact, I've heard all sorts of versions of the IDMax, because its a popular unit in WA. I can assure you, if you know what you are doing, it doesnt take much more effort at all to change the acoustic parameters of an enclosure. Plus, nobody mentioned anything about box size previously either.

And how about this: the midbass has more effect on the overall 'perception' of sound from your subwoofer, then your subwoofer itself (exluding the subs enclosure of course). Sometimes I wonder why more people dont concentrate on their front end as much as they do their subs, because if they did, the sound would blow them away.

The Focal is a nice woofer, as is many of the other suggestions here. The OP would be easily satisfied with ANY of them.

Ok update, i have just purchased 2 way F1 splits. The rest of my system is Alpine also. For that reason i am leaning towards the Type X. I just have a few quesiotns first. If anyone could help if would be great!

Considering that i only want to run a single 10" woofer. And i came from SPL so i do appreciate a bit of bass. Is the focal 27KX with 500wrms of power (MRD-1005 @ 4ohm) going to suffice my needs or will it be relatively quiet? Or should i just stick with Alpine and put 1000wrms into a Type X 10"(MRD-1005 @ 2ohm)?

My thoughts are that the Type X will be louder and play lower but the focal will probably sound a bit tighter? (in saying that i havent heard either sub, I'm just assuming) Any opinions before i lash on something.

PS. Will be in roughly 0.5cuft sealed box or as close to as possible. And probably be mounted inverted.

any way you can demo either of them in the approriate enclosure? neither sub works best in a 0.5cu/ft enclosure...

go the focal in my unlearned, unknowing, quick-pick-the-best-looking-one, opinion..

FOCAL FTW!

dont look at the rms rating and go, hmmm, only 500rms, this 1000rms must be louder, look at the other specs, mainly the sensitivity, the id max has a great sensitivity rating and can get pretty loud off 350-400rms, the type-x probably will go louder off 1000rms, but i dare say the focal will play lower (box for box) as it has a larger cone area and can move more air, id go the focal over the pioneer personally, 500rms into it wil be more than adequit for daily listening....

ps- i just noticed the .5^ft enclosure bit.... id go 1^ft minimum, you'll get more out of the woofer
pps- and yes, the focal does have an uber sexy basket and motor set up

I agree with The Matt regarding his comments.

Most traits of subbass are easily changed by changing the box, although keep in mind, same size subs from different brands can function totally differently in the same box, so its important to model the sub, or go by others advice. A perfect example of this is the Focal 33kx and Idmax. Typically, the Focal needs a larger box than the Idmax to play as low/"sound" as good. So typically, the Focal is underboxed, and is said to sound bad (just an example).

Heres something to try at home. Put you midbass highpass crossover up high, say about 200hz or higher. Then listen to the sub (perhaps turn up the volume). Listen to something rather technical (bass guitar perhaps), and notice how much colour, or tone is actually coming from the sub. Theres not a whole heap, simply because the midbass seems to impart this on the music, not the actual sub.

So, so sum up. Money in fronts, with a nice, good midbass is much more important than money in a sub. I would say spend no more than 50% the cost of your fronts on your sub.

I remember Juls commenting on the 27KX and what you've said is about right but I don't know if you'll get much doof out of a ten incher of any breed unless you have two

If you're stuck for space have you considered Infinite Baffle subs? I have Hybrid Audio L8s in the doors and because they're up front there's plenty of doof

G5