just been having a look at some different brands of car audio amps.

two amps have caught my eye one being the arc audio signature edition the other the genesis dual mono extreme.

has anyone used any of these products???

http://www.arcaudio.com/arc-05/index2.htm

The Genesis dual mono is essentially the same amp as the DLS A3. Both are very well regarded amps.

wasnt impressed by the internal pics of the genesis dual mono....but i was very impressed with the extreme edition....lot better made amp with more robust power supply.

A3 dls hmm thats an option too.

still might just go cheap and get a 300/4 jlaudio

just for interests sake, what is the retail on the Genesis?

I have two Arc Audio 4200SE's (channel matched and hand signed by Rob Zeff!) coming any day now, so as for their sound, I can let you know.

As for their build quality, show me an amp that is built better, for anywhere near the same price (I challenge thee). IMO, there isnt anything remotely close that I've yet laid eyes (or ears) on. Their layout, build and components are absolutely to die for. Smart amps too. And reputably a very very powerful amps (described as "balls, balls, balls"),

The Genesis is easily a step up from the DLS. Similar amps from a quick viewpoint, but drill down and you'll be able to see the difference. The Genesis is handmade in England, the DLS in Taiwan. I've heard both before, and I do prefer the Genesis because of a slightly sweeter signature (though havent spent as much time with it as the DLS) but they have a fatal flaw IMO. Thats the heat sink. Its soft as f**k. Scratches easily, dulls easily (dont forget its chrome polished) and can be dented. The one I listened to was at PAS a few years ago, and some idiot scratched it whilst on display.

Plus the SE's look like $ex, and that 4000SE has simply draw dropping internals. Insane.

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Here is a quote regarding DLS and Genesis from Gordon himself (designer, builder and owner of Genesis)
http://www.talkaudio.co.uk/vbb/showpost.ph...amp;postcount=3

Just throwing it up here:
http://www.dls.se/files/565/2/A3_polish%20test.pdf

No reflection on my beliefs, as personally I own a Genesis.

Brax would have to be up there. At $2,799 rrp for 4x100 watts, the ARC 4200SE is very close in pricing and output to an X2400.2 (standard, not Graphic Edition). Mine was second hand when i got it, so it already had a few years of use in it - still after having it for almost a year it's one bloody brilliant device! That said, it's lack of availability could be a problem (not sure of the Genesis are available here or not).



That said, my ARC 2100-XXK is still going strong itself. After the 3 years of so that I've had the Laser, it's the only component that's been there since day one. I've been looking to replace it soon, but it would admittedly be a difficult thing to let go. It's not on par with the Brax in terms of build quality etc, but then considering the price difference you really wouldn't expect it to be - still it's a bloody good little amplifier that has easilly stood the test of time.

With the SE series being aimed one level above the XXK range (previous flagship) I can only imagine they must be very good. They have clearly got some balls behind them power wise (ARC amps always seem to exceed their claims), good crossovers and look brilliant.

Not very up to date on the Genesis, but I'm quite fond of ARC Audio right now. Also if availability isn't an issiue, I'd chuck Brax and Sinfoni into the mix also - not sure if you are itnerested in those though.