im looking to spend about $2300 on some subs and amps, i want to know (in peoples opionions) what would be the best set up, im looking for (hopefully) 2, 12" subs and 1 10". and the amp(s) to run them, i plan to build the box myself, it will be quiet large, the back part of the new xr6, if you get me. it is going to house the 2 12"s either end and the 10" in the middle with a capacitor beneath the 10" (most likly)

but the main thing im after, is a VERY loud system that dosnt "pop" or distort when very loud, id like to happily put bout about 110DB's, anyone help please.

cheers.

edit: i could probly even do 2; 15"s and a 10" with ease, i just looked at the boot, and i have a 12" in a large box, and it looks tiny in there so yeah. if that helps.

110dB isn't what I'd describe as "VERY loud"..........

Also, it's best not to "mix" woofer sizes.

Two good 12s (or one really good 12) and a big mono block is what you need.

Phil

what do you think i can achieve with around $2300 on equipment, if set up right, box etc.

what do you recommened?

i can probly get 2; 15"s and a 10" with ease, and still have heaps of space in the box, for neons etc, its about half a falcons boot size, ill seek more into when i know what im getting so i can design it for them

edit: so you think id be better of getting 3; 12"s than 2;15"s and a 10"? or even 2 better 12's or 15's? i.e type R or X by alpine?

what do you recommened, considering i only have $2200, and i need the amp(s) aswell.

1 15"
5+ cubes tuned 35~40hz
2kw+

Then save another $1500 for a nice set of front splits and big 2/4channel to run em.

I presume you have standard front speakers, you will not be able to hear much over %20 volume.

Forget the Cap and buy a decent battery & some 0 gauge

So I would assume you're spending around $3-4K on your front install? Fronts and amp/s? $2300 is a bit of overkill for sub and amp if you don't have fronts that can keep up with the quality and volume.

I'd go something like $1.2k on amplifier, $1k on sub to spend your budget. A single great sub should go plenty loud and clear, and you should easily get over 1krms of power.

the car im getting has the premium sound upgrade from ford, so im fairly happy with the speakers/head in it.

I just want to run some very very loud and nice sounding subs, recommendations, im hoping for probly 2 quality 15"s (to fill the space abit nicer) and the amp(s) to run them, total budget for that $2200

im not a competition person to be honest, i just want really really loud bass so people can hear it from ages away.

does anyone have any manufactors they recommend? like ive been told alpine type R or type X are good, but there would be better than that wouldnt there?

any sort of help please.

Monoblock
~ $1000: DDM1a, M2; Audison LRx1.1k; Alpine MRD-M1005, PDX11000; Focal FP1.800; OZ Audio OZVA700.1, Earthquake PHD2000W; Rockford T10001bd/T1500-1bd/T500-1bd/P1000-1bd

Pretty sure all of these offer at least 800rms

12"
~$1000: Boston G512/SPG555, DD 3512/2512, Focal 27KX/33KX/40KX, Treo SSi 12.44/22 SSX 12.22, IDMAX12, Alpine Type X, Morel Ultimo, Polk SR124SVC, OZ Me 12.4, Rockford T112D2/4/T212D2/4

The SSi goes pretty loud and is a nice sounding sub. The DD's are known to go extremely loud but do want a lot of power as well (though they don't need it, but more is better for any sub).

Why do you want it to be heard ages away? Shouldn't it be about having it how you like it and sounding good in the car not 100m away from the car.

Have you heard the premium upgrade? Does it have an amp included with it? I'd still upgrade the fronts, but that's up to you. $2300 on the subbass is a sh*tload to spend without putting anything to the fronts. I'd still think the fronts will be lacking, no matter how 'premium' the factory system is.

Hot tip: Premium sound is the same 30w speaker with 30w into it, instead of the headunits ~5w.

Regardless, 30w 6" papercone fronts, 2000w 15" sub isnt exactly balenced.

If all you want is stupid loud bass my above reccomendation will fit the bill perfect.

2 subs will be quieter than one in this case.

im more after 2; 15" subs and the amp(s) to run them, what do you recommend? i prefer the look of 2 subs than 1 good one, i know ill loose some sound quality but its something im willing to sacrifice.

any recommendations for these? like the ones ive heard most are the new Type R 15" for about $550 each
or 2 Soundstream T5-15 Tarantula for $400 each ?
or 2 Soundstream SPLX-15 for $650 each?

and for amp
soundstream reference REF850.2
800 watt 2 channel amp
$1300?

so say if i got
2 Soundstream SPLX-15
soundstream reference REF850.2
for $2300

would it sound good?
could i do better for what im after?

edit: and i do plan to change the front speakers and have there own amp, but not for a few months

Ive not head the soundstreams but ive head the Type R 15s and they went okish.

Say 550ea for TypeR so 1200, that will buy you a 9515 or the likes which will sound a crapeload better, and go a whole lot louder along the way.

Im not saying this for no reason. Unitl you spend roughly $1000+ per sub, theres not point getting 2.

9515?



i know it sounds stupid but i want 2 15"s just cause it will look better, will the type R 15's do what im after if in the correct enclosure and amp(s)

a crap load of bass, extremly loud, heard from ages away?

Dude, have a look at my sig. If you want something to look good get a painting and hang it there.

Isn't it better to have some quality, especially when you are wanting to spend over $2k on the subs and amp.

110db is nothing. You could by 2x Pioneer 307C's (or whatever their 15" equivalent is) and 1krms for the $1k mark, and you should hit 140's. Though the quality will be lacking then if you bought something that was better.

what would use recommened?

all i want is 2 15" subs, and amps to run them

i want them to sounds good, as in not popping and distortion etc,
extremly loud and heard from as far as away as possible

the most i have to spend is about $2000 basically

please.



i know i must seem a spastic, but im not that into audio of a car atm, i dont have the money.

~ $300-400: alpine type-R SWR-1222D, JL audio 12W3v3-4, digital designs DD2512a, Treo TSi 12.4, Rockford P2D2/4, P3D2/4

There are 15" versions of most of these (if not all) for a bit more.

Then you want over 1krms of power
DDM2/M3; Alpine MRD1005 or PDX1.1000, Rockford Fosgate.

But still the question is, why do you want it to go spastic loud? It's illegal anyways and irritates the sh*t out of pretty much everyone. If you don't have the money, why spend so much on the sub? IMO it really isn't justifiable.

As above



well 1 15 in a 5-7cuft box tuned low will do that easily, under budget & sound pretty good too



Your obviously into car audio if your spending a few grand. You have a healthy budget so why not do it right the first time?

Then save up for some awesome fronts and a big 2 chan / 4 chan

what would sound better/louder?

2 x SWR-1542D (type R 15")
or
3 x SWR-1242D (type R 12")

if they both had the correct amp for them and designed box.

ive watched some videos and the 3 12" look and are meant to be extremly louder.

how many DBs do you think i could get with them? clean sound.

Much of a muchness. You'd want around 800rms to each sub (from what many report on the type R), and with your budget you can't really afford it.

Otherwise wiring up 3 subs to the one amp is not too good, usually leaves you with strange loads.

With the 3x12's you get an extra 6" of cone space.

Do you have enough room for a 1.75 cuft ported subbox per sub?

Though I have a feeling the 15" can handle more power? If anything I'd go the single one. Though as said if you picked up a second hand DD9515 and had 1-2krms on tap it would go louder and lower then the Type R's do

If you want clean sound then you wouldnt be putting 3 12's in your car. one decent 12 eg Type-X will do everything you want and nice sound.

Dude .... bottom line is go and buy whatever makes you happy .... you will be living with the system .... not us

You've asked for peoples recommendations/opinions and have been given some very good ones by experienced people and you have brushed them aside.

Obviously your heart is set on 2 X 15" subs .... you have said yourself that you are not fussed about sound quality and you just want a "crap load of bass".
With those requirements virtually any 15" sub from reputable manufacturers will fit your bill .... buy whichever you think looks the best as looks are obviously important to you and your install.

Again any amp/amps from reputable manufacturers with the required power to drive the 15" will be fine.

Don't get too bogged down with what brand is best .... any good brand (Alpine, JL, Rockford, DD etc) will more than fit the requirements you listed.

say i could get hold of 2 12" type X subs from alpine for cheap, would they be alot louder, clearer and deeper than 3 type r's?

if in the the right box and amp that has the right power?

2x 2515's and an M2.

Ive got an M2 and love it.

Go to Doran Pro Audio, they should hook you up with some loud gear.

Definitely get the Soundsteam SPLX 15". They are an awesome budget subwoofer. We were playing with just one today in my friend's car, which is a Pajero 4WD. We did 145dB on Termlab with warm gear these subs are great! He used four in his van which did over 153dB with only one amp. I don't think much else can touch these subs for their price.

the type-X should be better. they have much great cone excursion and power handling.

loud subbass depends on: cone surface area, cone excursion, power handling, together with subbox design and amplifier.

for music, i'd personally put the type-X in a sealed box. but for loudness like you want, go with a ported design. but overall, the type-X subs are not very efficient, so a lot of power from the amplifier is 'wasted' just getting them going (ie: more power is lost to heat and overcoming mechanical resistance rather than making the cone move, compared with other subs).




^^^ was gonna be my advice too. Doran are a DD retailer, and DD offer some of the toughest products on the market. has the ability to go extremely loudly whilst sounding good, and built like bricks, so not something you'd fry in a hurry.

it's not to say the alpine subs won't achieve your aims, but i rate DD ahead in terms of loudness and toughness.

basically ive come down to (atm)
2 x type X 12" from alpine
or
2x Soundsteam SPLX 15".

both are around the same price, i have enough space, easy, for 2 15"s in the right box.

what would be: (in order)
1- louder
2- heard from futher away
3- cleaner sound
4- harder to blow etc
whats the doran website? everytime i check it it says its cant display the page.
cheers

1 - The 15's should be louder for a few reasons. First they have more cone area, meaning they can push more air. Second, the type X's are more an SQ woofer and apparently don't get as loud as I think you want

2 - Who cares - You'll just piss people off and attract the police and all the wrong attention. It's great to be loud, but is it necessary?

3 - Haven't heard the SS, but the Type X is a nice woofer. Go out and have a listen and see what you like

4 - I don't know. But if you're doing things wrong then I'm sure they'll both blow just as easy.

How loud are you really after? In the beginning you wanted 110dbs, a single 8" woofer can do that easy. Perhaps you need to go out and listen to a few setups doing varying numbers to actually hear what you are after, you may find you're actually happy with the output of a cheaper setup.

if all you want is loud, a single 10" woofer will do over 140dB with 2kW of power.

For good clean bass, as mentioned, spend about $1200 on a 1kW (or so) amplifier, and about $1000 on a single 12" or 15" woofer. you'll need to factor about $500 for the box and cables, so maybe $900 on the amp and $800 on the woofer would be the lowest I'd go for quality.

I've read through this, its funny no matter the advice you don't seem to want to take it unless its what you want to hear, so...

Out of the two subs you are trying to choose from go with the SPLX, the type X is not designed to go loud its has very low efficiency, buy as much power as you can afford - probably look to the likes of the jaycar amps for this.

And good luck with getting loud I will let you know if I can hear you from my place

The louder it is outside the car, the quieter it is on the inside where it matters.

lol i know what you are all saying by not taking the advice, but i mean, im a person who just wants a system thats loud, looks good and dosnt sound to dodgy..

so im really after 2 subs, 12"s or 15"s, for a max of $2000 including the amp so yeah.

if anyone can answer it without telling me one quality sub will do better id be happy with, yeah i know 110DB is pathetic, id like to be able to hit 160DB but happy with about 150DB

cheers

You'll need more then $2k to hit the 150 mark. Find out where and when you can listen to some cars that are hitting numbers at the 140+ mark. It isn't just the gear that makes the numbers, it is the time, effort and tuning to hit the large numbers. If you buy decent gear you'll be able to hit the 140 mark relatively easy, but getting louder will take a lot of time and effort. I am really getting the feeling that you don't know what 150+ is like, with no offence meant, but it is a lot harder then you may think.

Go out, have a listen to some gear, and then come back with what you actually want.

There have been a few suggestions given (I know I've given a few) on what gear you should look into, but you don't seem to want to listen to the opinions of what many say. The opinion on the one better sub is that it quite possibly will get louder then the dual subs, but it's your money, so head out and go to a few specialist stores and see how they can help you out.

yeah ive never heard a car go off then been told what it hit..

i know, but most surgesstions have been for one single sub, ive slowly been looking into the ones surgested, but i cant tell the difference, thats why i need to know everyones opnion on what would be suit me for what im after.

Have you been out listening to them? Or just looking at specs? Head to a few pro stores (FHRX and Doran come to mind in NSW) and talk to them, tell them what you want and how much you have, and see what they can do. If you like it go for it

For $2000 - $2500

Single 15" sub: Digital Designs 3515 Brand new, $989 with dual 2 ohm coils, OR 2nd hand 9515 for anywhere between $500-$800

Monoblock Amp: spending upto $1000 look for either a 2nd hand Digital Designs M3 or grab a new DDM2 for $1099.

Note: If you look at the 3515 and M2 ($2088rrp) go see Doran Pro Audio and if I remember correctly they offer 10% off for MEA members, so that comes down to $1880.

Might not sound like a massive set up, but it will put a smile on your face I have no doubt.

Are you installing it yourself?

If so, allow $500 for cabling and MDF/screws for a box.

If not, keep saving and get Dorans to do it, they know their sh.t.

like 8 out of the 10 top ten spl cars in australia use DD subs. if you want to go loud maybe you should look at something like that but that is just my advice and from what i have read from the posts is important to you.

Happy hunting

Oh, don't worry about 2 subs, you'll enjoy it more when people go "f.uck man how any subs have you got in there?" and you go, just 1 15".

We had a Soundstream SPLX running off a Rockford T40001bd which is 4969wrms @ 1ohm. It took the power as long as you didn't do anything stupid. He only blew it because he opened the rear hatch whilst it was playing and the damn thing unloaded badly. As far as mean sounding subs the SPLX would fit the bill perfectly. I feel it would be around the same level as a DD 3500 series. The main flaw I have seen with the SPLX subs is they don't sound very good. But to your average Joe they sound fine. Even off 1000wrms they wang hard and if you had even only one of these you would be very happy.

Well then, they're NOTHING like DD subs then!

See attached review of our 3515.

Phil

Doesn't seem to want to download, Phil