*** NOTE NO JUNK IN THIS THREAD PLEASE ***

Dont care what has/hasnt happened with who/what/when/where/why.

Im talking '08 and im a bit excited.

Keen to just get down and hang out when i can make it most of all, not much has changed with me. Infact my car is pretty much untouched for 8 months.

But i do have a nice new toy which arrived today thanks to Marty and ill clean the car up a bit and hopefully some people will enjoy my car.

So i wonder where the rounds will be held, intrigues me another gong round? Staying at revesby?

I spose we'll have to see how it goes,

Had lots of fun at the Gong Show 'N' Shine, was good to meet Ar3nb3 for the first time as well as a few other folks.

As for going down to Canberra, ohh i dunno would be alright if the missus agrees to come along!

Hopefully sport doesnt clash too hard with any rounds this year.

Hopefully a few new faces in the mix, would be great to see.

Also Jono and Rick much <3

Trism, maybe when you get your licence back mofo!

Hows everyone's off season been?

Yay. You mentioned my name, hahaha.

My off season, well. I can honestly say my car is sounding the best it ever has. Gear still remains identical, but, install as been completely overhauled. Midbass has been angled in fiberglassed baffles. Tweeters have moved up to A pillars. New "ported" sub box has been built (To me, the SQ is actually better than the same sub in a sealed box)

As for the coming comp. As I have said previously, work permitting, I will be wanting to attend as many comps as I can. Not for the winning side of things, but rather for the Social aspect, and, getting some good, honest feedback on how to improve my setup.

08 has the potential to be a great year boys (and girls)

Ya should be cool

For when i can make it

Did you sell your amp yet? What you going with instead?

Revesby and the Gong are good for me, esp Revesby as it's right off the highway on my way up north. Wollongong is easy and quicker to get to as well - plus there's that damn fun drive down the Illawarra highway.

I too have been busy in the off season, gone 3-way, rebuilt the install in the boot and the front. Looking forward to another good year.

Amp still for sale. Not much interest at the moment unfortunality. Me thinks its got to do with it being Chrissy period.

New amps will be noneother than DLS Ultimates. Regarded as some of the better amps on the market (for realistic money)

waits with baited breath.......

Did you say Jager breath?

Sounds good Ar3nb3 its a shame your not pleased with your Amp after waiting for it to come in,

Me i just picked up a Focal 33v2 Sub and Grill and will get started on my box pretty soon.

I plan to finish off myampbox as well. Just got to do stuff whenever i can.

Revesby is good for me too, tho would like some more shade!

im not ready.

when i get my amp back from drew. ill get into a bit more tuning. don't think i will change much this year. work on presentation over the rest. im happy with how it sounds. well almost happy.

i have some new tweeters i hope to try out too. they are a brand new design which i havnt seen before.

I hope to attend 1 or 2 comps, though this would be much easier if there were some here in canberra
front stage is in, boot instal is in progress but need to sell my amp before I can buy a new sub gonna be peerless just figuring out which one. Once I have sub, then fibreglass box will be built and boot install finished.
Would be good to get some feedback on my system, but it sounds great to me all the same

Hopefully my car will be finally finished this year, and i can keep (roughly) one setup for the season, not like last time, chopping and changing between rounds.

If the comps go ahead I should be able to attend most rounds, if not all. My car hasn't changed much since Nationals. My tweeter pods cracked though so I'm in the process of getting the A-Pillars done. Hopefully it will still sound reasonable.

I was hoping to be able to attend, I've spent most of the week FG'ing door trims and a-pillar mounts for my Morel supremo mids and tweets, and just blissfully smiling every time the morel ultimo 12 hits low and hard... damn morel make nice speakers!!!

I think im finally near audio bliss, audison silver cored 14G all round actually made an improvement to the sound, funny that since we all say copper is copper... but in this case copper aint silver! and it actually is better!

still guys dont hold your breath for NSW comps this year, things are still up in the air and MR G hasnt fully committed, but heres to hoping!

PS. eyebrow licking should be a national sport...

Edit: Just heard from Marc that there is something being planned for those wanting to compete, unfortunately we (PCAE) won't be involved, but I offer my services as a judge if I am called on.

Great. Looks like I'll have no reason to spend on car audio this year.

in a way, good, coz i wont have a license for half a year.

also bad. coz im gonna miss everyone

Im sure that if we all look outside the square, we can find a way to make NSW SQ 08 happen.

Im not surprised that precision arent making the commitment to 08, I mean, from a business prospective, its hardly an earner huh?

but, if the solidarity that NSW has shown, as an entity all of its own, has any real impact on 08, it will be this.. we have stood up, been counted, disengaged, cast aloof and left to our own devices... my message is simply this, look outside the square and you will find that which you seek.

we can still make this happen...

please, take this opportunity to stand and be counted.

by the way.. Jager nuclear warheads should be standard at all cricket venues by 2009...

Thought this may have been the case.

Just to clarify that .... It was MUTUALLY decided not to run SQ comps in NSW in 2008. Another group, 'Oz Audiophiles' is trying to organise a format and comps and I personally wish them the best of luck. Hopefully they can get on with getting the format right for their state, and stop bitching and putting down 'our' format, and then NSW members will have comps without MEA having to worry about it. It ain't easy trying to please everyone you know! Truth be told, I personally don't and didn't want to run (or even liase with) NSW after what's been said and done, not only against MEA, CAASQ, but also me as well on a personal level. It seems many others don't want the responsibility either. I'll look after VIC, Cruiser will look after QLD and the boys over in WA will look after themselves also.

We don't give up our time and effort to be treated like that.

Onwards and upwards.

Well all i can say is, that is totally f*!#@d!!!

I am severly disappointed I spent most of 07 building something worth competing with and was looking forward to 08 comps so i could get some serious feedback but now i (and i'm sure alot of others) have nothing to give us some sort of reference.

How are we suppose to learn if we can't hear anything better or just different to what we already know.

so i guess this thread can be closed then if there is no season.

For those who were disappointed with my post above, please go and read it again after I edited it... You'll find that your spirits will be lifted

So you take a sample and push it against everyone else? I just cannot even fathom why people cant just sort stuff out, its really not that hard.

Way to blanket the state and dissapoint many of us

Huge disapointment, that's all i can say.

Past formats have been tried in Australia, and have failed.

If, and I say, if a NSW wasnt run by MEA, then those wanting to compete would be forced to compete under the format run by another website. This is going to split the Sound Quality comps in Aust into two, which, I believe, will end up leading to another failed format.

Perhaps its time Marc to look beyond personal grievances, and do whats 1. Best for all, and 2. Best for ensuring your format will continue into the future.

The only advice I can give, is that you will appreciate car audio so much more if you build it purely for yourself.

I won't make any comments on MASQ becuase I think it's already been covered to death - all I'll say is that even in the worst case scenario, there will be some form of casual meets arranged by the people in NSW. If you look farward to feedback and the chance to hear other systems then you shouldn't lose that opportunity.

NSW have a good group of people both running the stores, and in enthusiasts. There are plenty of people out here (even in this thread alone) who will be more then happy to offer opinions and friendly advice to someone who seeks it. Don't let the fate of a competition kill your passion for something you love

Spot on there Muz... Anything car audio related should be for yourself!!
That's 1 thing i've found and i have enjoyed it so much more since i did it for myself, not to compete in altho thats a new-found passion too..

At the same time some people do enjoy to compete, im more for the social side but the competing side brings many together to what they think is the best they can bring to the table. And it definately shows, the many hours of tuning and the vastly different sounding cars (which are all trying to get the closest to sounding waht the judges want)

Its impressive especially as you can develop your hearing to suit the next round etc etc.

Just a damn shame its gone like this, so many people will be lost over a squabble.

But should you be trying get it to what the judges want, or to what you want?

I can think of a number of NSW guys who I'd consider to be knowledgable enough to judge - you're generally always welcome to ask for their opinion

Hey I'm not gonna take any blame or crap over this one. Not my fault NSW isn't running MEASQ in 2008.

I tried to make it work. But as clearly said earlier, I'm sick of the bullshit, and it's not enjoyable anymore.

Marc. lets say theoretically, some individuals liked the idea of all meeting together once a month, to see whose car sounds the best?

what im saying is, does it have to be run by a shop?

why cant like minded individuals all congregate in the one area for a few hours, and then go home at the end of the day with some trophies.

Okay, thats not a very good attitude from someone in the position to make / break things.

As said before, you've blanketed the whole state (and ACT as well dont know the status of their get togetheres but quite a few wanted to come to NSW events). As mentioned by trism, cant there still be MEA events, held at our carpark loc for those interested in getting together?

And well i think if you are going to run MEA as it is (business/organisation? dont know) then its important that you dont shun out a great percentage of this forum.

Im curious to what effect efforts were gone to to make this work, it seems all along you said there wasnt enough support, I believe it was shown there was and that there would still have been enough support in NSW to be the biggest compitition?

trism


I never said this can't happen. You don't need my permission to do it.

Deftone2k


Don't play that card ... I'm not in a habit of "breaking" things. Who does that benefit. Despite some of the conspiracy theories alive and well in some NSW members, I have nothing against NSW or the majority of it's members. There's no secret I have an issue or two with a handful of members for causing some personal trouble for me over a DAMN sq competition. They are merely children and karma will get them in good time.

Blanketed the whole state? What do you want from me? If you have all the answers ... then I nominate you MEA State Rep for NSW as of now. Ring me up (0421 114 860) and let's put together a committee, find some suitable locations, pay the public liability insurance (yes it will need a seperate cover for the NSW state), and make it start happening.

There can be MEA events yes, if it's using OUR format, and no other. We're continuing with our format in other states, it would be foolish of me to support / promote another format.

We have not "shunned" out a great percentage of this forum. We don't have any obligation to run SQ comps buddy, you need to remember that. We have no sponsors holding guns to our heads. Would you run a comp in a state (and pay the associated expenses) that has only a handful of committed members (ones that have actually confirmed in BLOOD they will attend), and many others calling a boycott (including the whole setup of another website and organisation working against what we have tried to do), and then to cop shit as an organisation AND personally for all the hard work we have done. Not to mention others that were involved copping shit and little thanks for their hard work too (Marty). Would you do it? Step out and look at it all from my perspective for a moment. At this point in time there is no one that has committed to heading up MEASQ in NSW, no one wanting to be accountable for it's promotion, success, and organisation. Am I expected to do it here from VIC? Or is it just expected I attend the events like I did with Cyberpunky for two years in nearly every state in Aus. That cost me a fortune!

n_16er


I took out full page ads in all major magazines, and flew the goodyear blimp up over Sydney asking for help. Seriously ... what sort of question is this and why do I have to justify myself over and over again. I don't need to do that. I'm not obligated to you, you haven't paid me a membership fee or paid to use this site. Sorry, but I really am frankly of the mentality and general attitudes of some of the users of this site. We provide this resource / community to you all. Some are overstepping the boundary and making demands. We do our best with our limited budgets and limited resource, AND limited industry support (we do the best we can for those that do support us and appreciate that).

I spoke with all those that have been involved, or expressed interest in being involved. I've also considered the members themselves that have actually approached me in recent times. I have found limited or ZERO interest. Honestly, I don't blame most of them as the carry on that came out after finals was ridiculous. You keep saying I blanket NSW .... they tarnished their own reputation as a whole state themselves, I didn't need to do anything.

All those whinging now ... it's probably a case of too little too late. All those that took it upon themselves to "do it better themselves", all those that carried on and on and on in threads, you have yourselves to thank. If you'd all put the effort in on coming up with a plan and bringing it to me as a "group" on how to make NSW work, and been loyal to MEA instead of the effort you put into starting a new website, developing a new format, and promoting the other site, we'd probably not even need to be having this conversation.

Am I pissed off? Yes.... these threads shit me. It's midnight, and instead of spending time with family and friends I'm here posting this.
Am I bothered about not running NSW? No ... It makes no difference to me. If you guys want to make it happen, stop bitching in here and start working together WITH MEA instead of against us / me (I add me in there as you all seem to like to make it personal at first opportunity - I'm not the only one that makes decisions). Some one needs to stand up and volunteer themselves to head it up, and then we can go from there. You need to have great communication and organisational skills as a start. Committment and Loyalty are just as important.

I don't think I will reply in this thread again. So don't bother digging at me directly. I'm only interested in moving onwards and upwards. Justifying myself or our decision is not what I am interested in. What's been done has been done for a reason. Give us a reason to think differently and just maybe things will start happening.

Feel better now ?

Just another great example of my comment above about "attitudes and mentality of some of the members of this site". Go away and think of something constructive to write.

And yet another GREAT example ... at 11:56pm tonight, somebody thought I might enjoy being signed up to Free Newsletters to my email address. "Marcy" appreciates that these lists require email confirmation to subscribe. And guess what, the submitter's IP address resolves to NSW ISP router. Grow up children.

With all due respect, we can't have people getting pissy at the guy across the road for growing his grass, just because their own grass isn't growing the way they'd like.

Not trying to be rude or argumentative, but MEASQ is the topic of discussion here not any other website / forum / competition.

If any positive progress is to be made within MEA, then pointing blame at other sites isn't the event that will trigger it.

Thats fair enough, you can see it from either side of the fence. All i see is.

Its on
Its off
Its on
Its off

I never said anything about formats? I dont really care if its your format, someone else's format there is too much its My way or the highway, the reason im posting is regarding to car audio which in hindsight the focus has gone completely off this factor. I should have bolded make/break. As someone who wasnt invovled in the curfuffle we havent had much info of whats happening, just closed threads, reopened threads, uninformed posts and generally if i didnt have friendships and conversations with people in the know, i wouldnt have a clue about it. And i have received PM's asking whats going on whys this all happening . So on and So forth. So i do feel that a lot of people have been sort of left out in the siberian winter.
I know there is no obligation to holding SQ competitions, just seems that its gone full circle from decent numbers, great installs and great times to nothing.

This place is a great source of information, and our users and the people involved in the website all contribute to this. Whether it be through posts, msn conversations, discussions of installs in person and even member helping member. But when people work towards getting their cars ready for comps, are told its off, then on it can get dissapointing and especially when trying to bring other people into the hobby.

Anyway ive said my peace, just thought it had to be said from someone who wasnt involved in the mess which occured last year.

Hopefully its not the end of it in NSW forever, would be a damn shame to see.

EDIT: BTW i didnt crack 3 beers and some peanuts waiting for replies. Im choosing some *coughtrrents* to dl.

You said you went going to post back in this thread, I wanted to see how true you were to your word.

Ive said from the beginning, I would be a part of MEASQ on everyday I had off. Never promised to attend every event, but, months ago, made a commitment to come when ever possible

Just showing you some of us did want this, and perhaps a small bunch of apples have made us loose it.

I disagree entirely with that in this specific case Muzzy. I've spoken with Nathan at length last night, and this is not an issue between him and I personally.
I have no issue with the sites existence, and have openly wished it the best of luck with what it hopes to achieve. My point was, the effort being put into it could easily have been put into making MEASQ work in NSW and still being part of a national format. But that decision not to was not made by me. Our grass is growing fine. NSW chose to grow it's own.

It was on, and then off when those we considered able and willing to head it up lost interest / weren't in a position to commit etc.

Again, this is all in the past. I'm not interested. I'm only wanting to move forwards.

Oh and ar3nbe - so shoot me.

Wouldnt want to do that. My life would get a whole lot more boring, no MEA days of our lives.

if we could we would but thats highly illegal...... now either everyone here sits down over a bong and a few doritos or we just all go separate ways and well the mexicans (victorians seeing as your below the border) can go theres.

A fair point, I just seem to notice alot of people (not necesarilly firing this at you specifically) taking this attitude that if MEASQ doesn't happen, it's all because of 'the other site', but this is not the case.

What a lot of people don't seem to realise is that the vast majority of people on that site (il.e. probably 80%) are still active members here, and still contribute here just as much as they do over there.

Quite a few people expressed some form of interest in MEASQ, but once hearing it wouldnt be run there were a few people out there who didnt want to kill it for everone...and as a result decided if nothing else they'd get some casual, unsanctioned get togethers arranged so everyone could catch up share systems, etc. Surely it wouldn't be the same with the lmited resources, but I guess it was figured it would be better then nothing.

Just want to make it clear to everyone (not just to yourself) that cutting some one elses grass was not an intention. Without a significant contributer (i.e. store, sponsor, etc) a small group of people couldnt realistically run a fully sanctioned SQ competition, so I don't imagine shifting the limited resources from their over to here would have made a significant change in the fate of MEASQ in NSW.

I won't go any further on this, as it's not going to move things forwards - just thought it was worth bringing up in case anyone out there isn't fully aware of the situation.

either do the people who spen t compious ammounts of time working on their cars and after excellent rounds get absolutly demolished, after the compas all the people whom where "bitching" had their cars re tested and there was nothing wrong, although as stated we bitched and moaned and cried blaming mea, it wasnt mea, it was a blazzen all out slap to all nsw's and thats the truth,

no denying it, now if you dont want to spark crap up dont't post crap like that

And again, someone brings up finals again. We set out to penalise NSW before we even got to Wagga ... I'm just struggling to remember why we decided that. Must have been a good reason hey? Someone let him know that his post just them defeats the purpose of why we're even still discussing in this thread please. Banning would be too harsh I think?

LOL.... Over it.

You banned the creators of OzA Marc. You gave us no choice but to do it ourselves.

I openly supported any type of involvement with MEA to get this going. Hard to do when you are banned purely for involving yourself in another forum.

Im sure I'll be banned now again, just for revealing myself openly, but frankly, I grew bored of the blame game months ago and CBF with it any more.

Dont blame certain elements of NSW for spoiling all the other apples all the time, its getting really old, and isnt based on anything with any element of truth at all.

we WILL do it ourselves and it WILL work. Being that im quite successful at organising, delegating, creating and ultimately carrying out whatever I point and shoot at, the only real loss here, tragically, is that very element of NSW that you shun, not being actively involved in MEA.

I was even prepared, at one stage, to actually invest my own resources into this.

Frankly, Im sick of being blamed for this failure.

Bottom line is, its a damn shame, as I loved CAASQ, loved competing, and loved the great people I met.

Life goes on, and in time, Im sure this will all blow into the archives, just like every other years fiascos.

so much for keeping the drama out of this thread defty.. sorry mate.

I banned the creator over unrelated incidents and personal outbursts against me on the forums. (3 complaints of incomplete transactions - which you know, but no, let's keep dragging shit up all night).

Pull your head in AND stop dragging up old shit. Not sure why you were banned - don't flatter yourself, it probably had nothing to do with any other site.

This thread is obviously UNABLE to move forwards.

Sure it will be closed by morning at this rate, and any possibility of MEASQ in NSW will be buried it would seem.

Wh33lzz

marc i think we need to sit you down in your corner, and you need to have a think deeply about what your doing here, you are alienating an entire state worth of people from your "community" which by the looks of things wouldnt leave you with much after we all go.

sure ban me do what you want, i couldnt give a flying f***. just dont sit there bitching playing the innocent as you kow your a major part of why all this has happened, oh, i hope one day you come to your senses and realise that by alienating probably one of your biggest followings, you'll be hurting your website.

have a good one, oh btw

whatever you do, to my account will be considered as denying my chance to put accross my opinion on a public forum. which i think last time i check was illegal, have fun

Just a question ... how is this up to me, and why do I need to have a deep think?

NO ONE WANTS TO RUN MEASQ IN NSW!!! If they do, tell them to step forward and we'll work with them.

Again, your putting the blame on me. Blaming me, the one who's been trying various ways and methods of allowing SQ to run in NSW.

I tried, and couldn't find a way. Maybe you could volunteer? You're obviously passionate about it.

And please, explain to me, how "I" am the major part of how all this happened? I must have a bad memory.

Oh and just for the record, read the forum guidelines (and perhaps brush up on your legal understanding). You'll find we're quite within our rights to delete posts and ban members, without fear of any legal repercussions.