following on from the previous topic that i have closed, i think this thread should be open to NSW people, and primarily NSW people.

things to consider:
*i'm not from NSW, so i won't be running this topic except to edit it; i'm not privy to all issues past and present, and i am not an MEASQ judge or committee member; i am merely a (previous) competitor that would like to see MEASQ thrive in all states!
*this thread is NOT for ongoing rants and raves, but to constructively see who is willing to make NSW happen
*as i said before: BURY THE HATCHET - which includes competitors, judges, committee, and other relevant people - swallow your pride, and come to the table to get organised and make it happen!
*there is NO value in repeatedly saying you'd love to but can't help; it's ok to say it once here, so people know where you stand; it's also fine to add input and suggestions; NO ONE is pointing the finger at you or going to be disappointed if you can't help out
*reinvolve those that may have left in a huff: spread the word that a new plan is needed to make NSW work, and come prepared with ideas for this plan

Marc made the point previously that those organising an alternative format and competitions could 'easily' put that time and effort into making MEASQ happen - or at least, helping out. these people are surely amongst those that need to put aside any indifferences, take a deep breath, and come back. maybe have a social dinner and a few beers: come together as a group of enthusiasts again.

i don't even know what's required to make it happen, so let's first clarify that, so please help:

1. core committe group to organise and run NSW MEASQ: 3 or 6 people? judges, competitors, enthusiasts, shouldn't matter who
2. judges
3. venues and dates: to be organised by the committee

these people need to be able to work together, and have an ongoing commitment to the cause. numbers may wax and wane, people will tow the line more than others at times, but try your best to work as a group. a lot of the organisation goes on during the week, so even if you can't make it on weekends or have weekend commitments, you may still be of value as a committee member by helping during the week. how about totally new people who haven't been involved with the organisation before? step up!

in the end, it is by far the best if it is organised 99% by this NSW committee, with as little dependence on Marc and other states. being independent means you run the show, and there is little onus on people like Marc - regarding time and money and stress - to be inconvenienced. and no doubt, if outsiders from other states are not tied up with running it, they will have more enthusiasm to help out on occasion.

make it happen!

*raises hand*

ive already sent something to Marc, but yet to receive a reply..

Replied trism.

I'll just point out here also, in terms of expenses. Public Liability and a way around that has just been explained to trism.
Entry fees cover the trophies, get the host store to organise a BBQ - they can charge a couple of bucks for drinks and snags, they'll make their money back so they're happy.

Marc, would you mind outlining what is required to run MEASQ - so everyone knows? in particular:

*how many people on a committee is ideal
*how many judges
*who you know WILL be interested - is Marty wanting to continue? judges (other than Marty)?

if not already, could a separate 'hidden' NSW MEASQ forum be created - if this helps - for the committee and judges?

Rich, I raise my hand in helping out with judging and so on.

One thing I will say is at the first sign on BS from competitors I will reclaim my free time to spend with my wife and daughter!

George

Thanks George.

PM sent.

sweet. no attitude now George.

- Ideally, I think you need 3-4 people + judges who often become or are part of the organisational committee as well.
- In VIC, for example, we don't necessarily have a committee, but have infrequent meetings to discuss issues as necessary. It is primarily just the judges.
- Judges, I believe you need a minimum of 4 to get through ~20 cars in reasonable time.
- Hmmm, that's tougher. I really don't know if Marty is interested, I know George is, but think Precision is out. Hakki from Crankin "was" interested, not sure.
- Judges, I don't know any of them that NSW used. Best to come from the competitor base IMO. As long as they don't judge classes they compete in, it's fine.

Also, it would be REALLY beneficial to NSW if a group that are interested in judging could organise a road trip to a comp here in VIC. As early as possible too.
If so, I'm sure between all of us we should be able to put them up with accomodation, and if they can come down the day before, we could have a familiarisation day with all VIC and NSW judges to ensure consistency in what it is we're all aiming for. Without back tracking or digging at anyone - this was supposed to happen at Finals, but unfortunately none of the QLD or NSW judges could make it to attend. That was a shame, but we can try and organise it now.

I do know a few people who would be interested in judging from NSW

thanks Marc.



hmm, i think it's a pity to lose Marty. if the NSW people think he'd be invaluable, perhaps they could discuss it with him to come back. car audio is in his blood, so i'm sure he'd come back in some capacity to help out.

Firstly, thanks to Shiny for taking a mature approach to this situation and making a genuine attempt to help get things together - it's much appreciated.

Now onto the topic at hand...as long as people can maintain a mature attitude towads this (i.e. put in effort and support, and keep the bitching at bay) then I will also be willing to offer my support as a judge, if so desired by the people.

I can't guarantee availability for all events (it'll be subject to my uni timetable) but for those that I can make, I will.

This would be purely for judging though - I won't have the time or money to constantly prepare my system for competition.

I couldn't say on Marty's behalf whether or not he'd be be interested - perhaps some of the NSW guys could find out if he is intrested in being involved, even if just as a judge. There is no doubt that his knowledge along with George's would combine to be a very powerful asset to the competition.

i always showed my interest in keeping comps going (only kept quiet over the new year break to see how things will pan out + i took 2 weeks off to refuel).......
currently in the process of relocating Crankin Car Audio to a bigger and better shop!!!!!!!!!.........
can host events there if that helps with public liability (even though i would rather host them away from the shop)..........
if i am not playing host then i can be involved in other areas (judged most of last season and competitors scores reflected those that were scored at finals..... bar one)
would love to see other stores and/or industry members present to create some sort of proffessional atmosphere (socialising is all good but you don't need a comp to do that)

am willing to host and contribute to the continuation of comps........
also 0nce a month IMO is to often (bi monthly or every 6 weeks sounds better to me)

either way, if people want my contribution then feel free to contact me

Happy to help out with ideas and organising the BBQ if we can at Revesby like we have been doing.

Same with getting certificates done or organising the judging order/plans for the day.

Bi-Monthly/6 weeks is a good idea. It makes it easier to free up more time for the day and ensures stronger turnouts (wasnt a problem before but once a month can get quite time commiting)

I would judge, just dont think im experienced enough for it.

But yes willing to help out where possible.

To keep continuity between the states, I'll be happy to provide the templates for the certificates etc. to whomever will be printing them locally. Usually someone's work sponsors it, but they just don't know they are a sponsor

I'd have to agree with you there.

I think alot of people missed out on events last year simply because it was just just too difficult to get time off every month for preparation / competition.

Every 2 months sounds good though - six comps in total is enough to give everyone a chance, whilst not too much to cause attendance issues.

On a side note, your willingness to show support is appreciated - I'm sure everyone would be happy to have you involved.

promising response so far, and it's not even 24 hours.

seems to be a good mix of experienced, industry, and less experienced members. i think it's important to not just have the 'old hands', cos new blood brings with it new enthusiasm and ideas, and reduces the risk of repeating any mistakes or becoming stale (no offence to the old hands amongst you! ).

let's see where we stand over the next day, or when we have at least 6 enthusiastic members. then i think i'll ask Marc to set up a separate forum for you guys to nut things out - a hidden forum where only you have access.

I would be more than happy to lend a hand!

As I was up bright and early to every comp last year, I can promise the same this year!

I should be able to attend most events, thought similar to muzzy - work and uni timetable pending.

Im also for the idea of every 6 weeks. 6-7 rounds was more than enough, so it should work.

I should also be available as a judge, but only if we get really desperate. I much prefer the easy going, laid back day of mingling and listening to peoples cars at leisure - not having the responsibilty of judging. That, and im not gauranteed to attend every event, due to uni and work. The only person who can replace me at work lives in Sydney (90mins from me), so i doubt they will be keen to come replace me on a monthly basis.

As a side note, there has been mention of 'burying the hatchet', and Marc speaking about others who are putting alot of effort into a "competing format", that they should be putting that effort into MEASQ NSW 08. Fair enough claim, though it is hard to do whilst banned from the site. If we are REALLY going to 'bury the hatchet', then those issues need to be sorted out with those people aswell, to give them a chance at putting the effort in here.

Just my thoughts. Take them as you will.

Cheers.

+1 here for raised hand. Perhaps judging. I used to do this baaaackkk in the day, but also Im willing to re learn what is expected. I have no car hence bring almost no 'personal' into it.

+1 on the every 6week/bi-month meet.

+1 with needing to know well in advance when & were because of other commitments.

I realise Im a nooby to MEA, but I've been in car audio for long enough to know better.... or so I think.

duly noted.

are you in contact with these 'members'? if so, would you kindly gauge their response of a return to the fray, and if they are keen, i will facilitate it.

at this stage, they are unlikely required to be part of the organisational group (there should be enough already), though they can express their interest. and we want their support of MEASQ. remember, THIS thread is NOT for ranting, and not really the place to hash out ideas. this thread is about forming a committee to run NSW MEASQ, and once formed, the thread will probably be closed until more info from the committee is available for discussion.

- Suggest one ACT hosted event, there's a few of us down here. Making an ACT event, may make some more of the guys keen to do the Sydney events.

mad89 - I've moved your post on VJ's behalf to a private area for further discussion, thanks for communicating that back to us on Nathan's behalf.

thanks for posting the response which i read.

i will see if Marc can set up the private forum for a new NSW MEASQ committee. the volunteers so far can nut out an approach to making it work.

an obvious issue with Nathan is whether he can get along well with the other group so early on. it may take a bit more time, so we may let the others establish themselves and call upon him if/when ready. no doubt he will have value to contribute, so i hope he becomes involved. but i cannot speak on behalf of the new committee.

i'll update when the private forum is in place. thanks.

Thanks Shiny

im in to help opujudge etc, may not be available 100% of the time but 75% i will be, also willing to be on the commitee if needed, have contacts in the home audio industry to help with promotion if wanted to draw more people into sq.

im unable to confer with you guys on the forums about this again till monday as im going away, but feel free to email me at alex_london0@hotmail.com

im very keen to get this going (sorry for laying into you marc) didnt really mean to have a dig...

and yeah as i said, lets make this work

cool.

thanks for putting yourselves forwards guys. i think it demonstrates there remains a lot of enthusiasm amongst you, and as a group, you have a great chance of making it happen, and happen well!

i'll discuss it further with Marc, and come up with a basic plan, then bring an update.

in the meantime, i will close this thread. i think we have enough to work with.

just a quick update: still discussing with Marc and ironing out a few minor issues. but at this stage, plan remains to form a new NSW committee very shortly.

thanks for your patience...and please don't lose enthusiasm!

It's not a problem shiny, theres still plenty of enthusiasm and a lot of positive vibe within the NSW crew.

Thankyou for helping mediate with this issue, it's much appreciated by many people.

Just to keep you guys in the loop, I had a conflict with permissions setting you guys up a forum and I lost my patience with it

I'll get it setup tomorrow and we'll get a committee put in place with access from there.

Thanks Marc

Sounds good Marc.

Kudos also to shiny_car. Legend

awesome, be great to start nutting it all out