Full Version: Turbo+ Blow Off Valve On V6 Commodore
Hi just wondering if it is possible to fit a turbo and blow off valve to a V6 Commodore. I have a stage three transmission if possible what will it cost and who can do it, is intercooling possible, anyone tried it.
nothing is impossible...... what seems impossible just takes a lil more time and/or money...... but yea, there's a few kits out there i believe.... try the street commodores forum
there are a few turbo v6 commo's around now days so it is possible
easy, as long as you have quite a bit of money, my mate has a turbo VT v6 and ran a 12.417@117mph at the motorplex last Wednesday on street tyres and stock internals apart from 1.9 rockers.
Have a look in the V6 section on the Street commdores forum http://www.streetcommodores.com.au/forum
A fair few people have done them there and even made up their own exhaust manifolds.
Or you could buy a kit from www.commsport.com.au
A fair few people have done them there and even made up their own exhaust manifolds.
Or you could buy a kit from www.commsport.com.au
isnt it true that its easier to twin turbo it, cause its in 2 banks?
just curious
just curious
youve all got money to waste....
ozNOS my friends... cheapest power to the $$ available. 150hp nos kit from oznos INSTALLED costs a measley $1350. a mates just slapped sum on his 94 supra
she hammers now hehe...stick sum new forged pistons and sum tuffer valves in a commodore i reckon u could stick about 175hp nos thru them engines. their pretty tuff.
but seriously.. turboing a car is so damn expensive.. look around for alternatives first.. ive even seen some CRS blower kits from castlemain rod shop that have been tampered with to stick out a stawnching 12psi... bit different to the 3psi standard.. lol. all for about $2900. a crs kit with a optional small pulley kit will also give u 6.5-7psi for $2150.
who cares about the wank factor of a turbo.. aslong as it goes as hard and leaves u bulk more $$$ in the bank youll still be smiling afterwards. a poxy basic turbo kit starts at around 3500 with manifolds and everything for a commy. just look at the prices on commsport.. :?
ozNOS my friends... cheapest power to the $$ available. 150hp nos kit from oznos INSTALLED costs a measley $1350. a mates just slapped sum on his 94 supra
she hammers now hehe...stick sum new forged pistons and sum tuffer valves in a commodore i reckon u could stick about 175hp nos thru them engines. their pretty tuff.
but seriously.. turboing a car is so damn expensive.. look around for alternatives first.. ive even seen some CRS blower kits from castlemain rod shop that have been tampered with to stick out a stawnching 12psi... bit different to the 3psi standard.. lol. all for about $2900. a crs kit with a optional small pulley kit will also give u 6.5-7psi for $2150.
who cares about the wank factor of a turbo.. aslong as it goes as hard and leaves u bulk more $$$ in the bank youll still be smiling afterwards. a poxy basic turbo kit starts at around 3500 with manifolds and everything for a commy. just look at the prices on commsport.. :?
However, nos cannot be used continuously, while a turbo will always give you power. - No refills or such.
nos is there whenever u need it.
ryans nos on his supra is hooked up so that all u hafta do is put the accelerator to the floor and it engages. for 1/2 the price and double the power who cares if it doesnt run 100% of the time.. its there when u need it.. thats all that matters.
yes its illegal. but so are burnouts..
all you hafta do is unscrew the main hose connection from the bottle.
EDIT: donbt belive that fast and furious crap how they just press a button.. it doesnt work liek that.. all u do is flick a switch to arm it , pedal tot he metal and the little magic blue light comes on. when u take ur foot off the accelerator its disengaged. i couldnt think of a more appropriate setup.
in the end it all depends what he wants to do.. if its track racing then yes turbo it. if its drag racing, then u CANNOT look past oz-nos.
ryans nos on his supra is hooked up so that all u hafta do is put the accelerator to the floor and it engages. for 1/2 the price and double the power who cares if it doesnt run 100% of the time.. its there when u need it.. thats all that matters.
yes its illegal. but so are burnouts..
all you hafta do is unscrew the main hose connection from the bottle.
EDIT: donbt belive that fast and furious crap how they just press a button.. it doesnt work liek that.. all u do is flick a switch to arm it , pedal tot he metal and the little magic blue light comes on. when u take ur foot off the accelerator its disengaged. i couldnt think of a more appropriate setup.
in the end it all depends what he wants to do.. if its track racing then yes turbo it. if its drag racing, then u CANNOT look past oz-nos.
His setup will more than likely be linked in thru his ECU so that it is somewhat safe wired so he can't boost it at low revs.
You can still have switches to turn the No2 on.
The fine is a lot more severe for running No2 than doing a burnout, I can assure you. Something in the ball park figure of $10-15K. And you still have the refill costs (especially if you're using it everyday), where as a blower or turbo, you dont.
Also think of the insurance side of things. While a blown or turbo commodore will still cost a packet to insure, it is possible. No2 isnt. What happens when he loses control of his car and can't get into the bonnet to get the system fully out? Or when someone runs up the rear end of him, and the bottle explodes cos its constantly open?
You can still have switches to turn the No2 on.
The fine is a lot more severe for running No2 than doing a burnout, I can assure you. Something in the ball park figure of $10-15K. And you still have the refill costs (especially if you're using it everyday), where as a blower or turbo, you dont.
Also think of the insurance side of things. While a blown or turbo commodore will still cost a packet to insure, it is possible. No2 isnt. What happens when he loses control of his car and can't get into the bonnet to get the system fully out? Or when someone runs up the rear end of him, and the bottle explodes cos its constantly open?
Bah your all soft, get yourself a CRS blower kit with a custom 8-9psi pully on it (doesn't cost much mine cost $100) then put nos on it (100hp shot) you migt need to go with some forgies or some acl race pistons and some better valve springs though. But the nos and blower will only set you back $3500 and give you some serious power.
QUOTE (kenny)
Bah your all soft, get yourself a CRS blower kit with a custom 8-9psi pully on it (doesn't cost much mine cost $100) then put nos on it (100hp shot) you migt need to go with some forgies or some acl race pistons and some better valve springs though. But the nos and blower will only set you back $3500 and give you some serious power.
Why bother with NOS and a blower. That reeks of overwank. Do one or the other. The only time you combine NOS with anything is with Turbos and centrifical blowers to overcome lag. Your pricing is wrong to. Nos=$850 to $1500. Blower kit is $1800+. Then you'll have to rebuild your motor because a stocky aint gunna last. 8-9PSI and NOS is seriously gunna stress every thing.
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]Also think of the insurance side of things. While a blown or turbo commodore will still cost a packet to insure, it is possible. No2 isnt. What happens when he loses control of his car and can't get into the bonnet to get the system fully out? Or when someone runs up the rear end of him, and the bottle explodes cos its constantly open?
Now someone else has been watching too much The Fast & The Furious. It's an innert gas, meaing its not explosive.
I say nos should only be used for the track and dyno shootouts (if allowed). Daily driven NOS will cost a fortune in refills and is really pointless.
Well I say go nos and blower because thats what I've done/doing.
Nos is great but its only good for certain applications like track/dyno shootouts. 8-9 psi weather its from a blower or a turbo will give you some great power for fairly cheap.
My pricing is spot on, without getting internals done, but its been prooven that the CRS kits can give 8-9psi on most buik and ecotec motors, more specificly the ecotec motors (found in vs commodores onwards) Theres people running 16psi with turbo's on ecotech motors with nothing done to them besides an ecu remap and are running great times and great dyno figures. Even though the VN-VR buik motors are only 2 bolt mains compared to ecotech which has 4 bolt mains they are quite capable of 400hp without breaking, sometimes you will need to replace the valve springs in them. And obviously your not going to be going flat out at 400hp all the time.
Nos can be setup for WOT (wide open throttle) Or if you have the right engine managment like a haltech that can be had for $1500-$2000 can be used to automaticly engage at a certain rpm, 2500rpm is good for this as your going to launch down the quater mile higher than this and if you want to use it when driving its not engaged at idle. Another option is to have it armed as soon as you flick the switch, which means if its on as soon as you hit the pedle no matter how hard it is your nos is on and working)
I don't know why you say that a blower and nos is for wank factor, if you saw or went for a spin in my car you would think otherwise, I don't see anything wank about 9spi on the blower and a 100hp shot of nos when needed. (I'm talking track here) Not all cars are about rice boy stickers and huge blow off valves, some people just like to go as hard as they can with what they have with performance, just like some people like going as hard as they can with thier audio setups. And no I don't advertise the fact that i have nos or a blower, although its hard to hide the noise the blower makes, I have no stickers on my car, not even the stock holden badges and have no intentions of plastering my car with riceboy stickers.
Nos is great but its only good for certain applications like track/dyno shootouts. 8-9 psi weather its from a blower or a turbo will give you some great power for fairly cheap.
My pricing is spot on, without getting internals done, but its been prooven that the CRS kits can give 8-9psi on most buik and ecotec motors, more specificly the ecotec motors (found in vs commodores onwards) Theres people running 16psi with turbo's on ecotech motors with nothing done to them besides an ecu remap and are running great times and great dyno figures. Even though the VN-VR buik motors are only 2 bolt mains compared to ecotech which has 4 bolt mains they are quite capable of 400hp without breaking, sometimes you will need to replace the valve springs in them. And obviously your not going to be going flat out at 400hp all the time.
Nos can be setup for WOT (wide open throttle) Or if you have the right engine managment like a haltech that can be had for $1500-$2000 can be used to automaticly engage at a certain rpm, 2500rpm is good for this as your going to launch down the quater mile higher than this and if you want to use it when driving its not engaged at idle. Another option is to have it armed as soon as you flick the switch, which means if its on as soon as you hit the pedle no matter how hard it is your nos is on and working)
I don't know why you say that a blower and nos is for wank factor, if you saw or went for a spin in my car you would think otherwise, I don't see anything wank about 9spi on the blower and a 100hp shot of nos when needed. (I'm talking track here) Not all cars are about rice boy stickers and huge blow off valves, some people just like to go as hard as they can with what they have with performance, just like some people like going as hard as they can with thier audio setups. And no I don't advertise the fact that i have nos or a blower, although its hard to hide the noise the blower makes, I have no stickers on my car, not even the stock holden badges and have no intentions of plastering my car with riceboy stickers.
playing traffice light dragway with NOS is fun to, after a while with all that ice on the bottle, you can chill your drinks on it too.
If you seriously want to boost a Commodore: Find a wrecked VS/VT/VX Supercharged V6. Get the intake system, supercharger, manifold, drive pulleys and ECU. Bolt it all into your Commodore and voila. Job done.
Yes, it is really that easy.. my VS Statesman Supercharged was written off and the boys from Holden have been telling me to strip those goodies out to bolt into my next car because it is that simple.
Never try to boost an old, crook engine. When boosting, you should at the very least have the engine reconditioned with fresh rings, valve springs & bearings. If you have a blow-by problem, boost will only make it worse. If you have leaks of an description, it'll make them worse.
A Stage 3 auto is not a cheap piece of equipment.. it will have been stripped, shift-kitted and been converted to manualised shift (no more auto-shift), and a larger stall converter fitted. I wouldnt even hazard a guess, call a gearbox specialist. Last time I checked on a Stage 3, it was a Trimatic 3 speed for a VC Commodore, back in '97 and it was $2k back then.
As for NOS.. nothing trashes an engine more than NOS. Not to mention the fact its not street legal and its expensive to keep refilling those bottles.
That guys Supra I think you'll find just has the trigger set into the throttle so it'll only open the solenoids when you tromp it flat to the floor. I doubt it would be a properly staged NOS system like you find in top draggers, and probably has no ECU interfacing happening either.
Yes, it is really that easy.. my VS Statesman Supercharged was written off and the boys from Holden have been telling me to strip those goodies out to bolt into my next car because it is that simple.
Never try to boost an old, crook engine. When boosting, you should at the very least have the engine reconditioned with fresh rings, valve springs & bearings. If you have a blow-by problem, boost will only make it worse. If you have leaks of an description, it'll make them worse.
A Stage 3 auto is not a cheap piece of equipment.. it will have been stripped, shift-kitted and been converted to manualised shift (no more auto-shift), and a larger stall converter fitted. I wouldnt even hazard a guess, call a gearbox specialist. Last time I checked on a Stage 3, it was a Trimatic 3 speed for a VC Commodore, back in '97 and it was $2k back then.
As for NOS.. nothing trashes an engine more than NOS. Not to mention the fact its not street legal and its expensive to keep refilling those bottles.
That guys Supra I think you'll find just has the trigger set into the throttle so it'll only open the solenoids when you tromp it flat to the floor. I doubt it would be a properly staged NOS system like you find in top draggers, and probably has no ECU interfacing happening either.
QUOTE (bob^)
QUOTE ([white lie)
]Also think of the insurance side of things. While a blown or turbo commodore will still cost a packet to insure, it is possible. No2 isnt. What happens when he loses control of his car and can't get into the bonnet to get the system fully out? Or when someone runs up the rear end of him, and the bottle explodes cos its constantly open?
Now someone else has been watching too much The Fast & The Furious. It's an innert gas, meaing its not explosive.
My bad
also if you leave the blanket lefton a nitrous bottle and it pops will take ur garage out !
the law down here says even if the line is left in the car big fine !!
go s/charger
the law down here says even if the line is left in the car big fine !!
go s/charger
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