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~Sparkles~
Guys - lets face it, a man isnt a man until he has a BBQ to call his own. So Im after recommendations for a decent BBQ for about $1200.

Ideally I want a 4 burner WITHOUT wok burner. An infared burner for rotisserie would be awesome but not a necessity.

I don't want stainless plates (what ever tool decided stainless was a good idea for a BBQ should be shot - particularly that pissy 5mm stuff they all use) so either raw cast iron or enamel coated are about my only real options. Stainless frame and hood & burners are fine - just not stainless plates.

Double skinned hood would be awesome - but for $1200 i dont expect miracles obviously. Something that has a natural gas conversion kit available would be good because eventually (when i win tattslotto) it will be built in when I rebuild the deck (so its needs to be LP to start with)

Oh and of course I want something with a trolley - again preferably one with doors/enclosed.
Piezo ignition would be prefered over "electric"/battery ignition too

So yeah - someone make some suggestions!
Matt VIP
Maybe get Phatt Audio Concepts to knock you one up, Sparkles?

they do decent custom work don't they?

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hsvmonarogen3
bar-b-que gallore
Fudd
beefeater

http://www.beefeaterbbq.com/Home-Page/default.aspx

there the best
fury
QUOTE (Fudd @ Sep 29 2008, 08:04 PM) *



Coming from a vegetarian tongue.gif
brady123
He has to cook his tofu on something Danny...
DD Phil
QUOTE (~Sparkles~ @ Sep 29 2008, 03:04 PM) *
Guys - lets face it, a man isnt a man until he has a BBQ to call his own. So Im after recommendations for a decent BBQ for about $1200.

Ideally I want a 4 burner WITHOUT wok burner. An infared burner for rotisserie would be awesome but not a necessity.

I don't want stainless plates (what ever tool decided stainless was a good idea for a BBQ should be shot - particularly that pissy 5mm stuff they all use)


The plate is for onions or teppanyaki. smile.gif

The real BBQ is done on the grill, you can't beat a full stainless Beef Eater for that imo.

I have different gill and plates that can "mix and match". I can switch from 2:1 plate/grill to 1:2 plate grille or even go for full grill depending on the party. I went for the built in Beef Eater deck, it was $1340, vs $4999 for the same thing on a trolley with a hood! Every thing is stainless, even the burners.

I welded up a full teppanyaki bar frame and had it powder coated for under $800. Then went with a full 20mm back painted toughend glass bench. A much better option than the stainless trolley.......

Phil
Fudd
QUOTE (fury @ Sep 29 2008, 08:08 PM) *
Coming from a vegetarian tongue.gif


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~Sparkles~
Plates fine phil - just not stainless on the barby ffs. its just not how u make porridge. Stainless just doesnt have the heat conductivity of cast iron.
Although teppanyaki is pretty awesome... Maybe i'll get the guys who do our folding at work to fold me up a bit of stainless for those times...

Stainless grill is ok but its no cast iron.
Always need the combination of grill and plate. Can't understand these american BBQ shows were they have 100% grill and no plate. although I think about 30% plate is more than enoughfor the average saturday BBQ (steak cooks way better on the grill - its the char-grilling that gives the BBQ steak flavour. Might as well have roasted it as cooked it on a plate)

Phil could you put the Beefeater deck onto a stand/trolley yourself without too much stuffing around?
That might be the best option - mum and dad have a (massive) beaf eater and its the most awesomest BBQ ever. I've wanted a beefeater the whole time but figured that would come later in life when i was rich and could afford to park a Ferrari in the driveway.
I take it yours doesnt have a hood?

The idea is to eventually build the BBQ in any way (hence the request for Natural Gas compatibility - which I know the beefeaters are) along with the charcoal firebrick rotisserie and dome wood fired oven - can any one say alfresco wanker?
Fudd
alfresco wanker!
John L
I got mine from Gasmate in Mt Waverley (near corner Lionel Rd and Blackburn Rd) - they have some pretty good sales every now and then - and also have a factory outlet. Might be worth a look!

However my budget was significantly lower than yours smile.gif
DD Phil
QUOTE (~Sparkles~ @ Sep 29 2008, 09:35 PM) *
Plates fine phil - just not stainless on the barby ffs. its just not how u make porridge. Stainless just doesnt have the heat conductivity of cast iron.
Although teppanyaki is pretty awesome... Maybe i'll get the guys who do our folding at work to fold me up a bit of stainless for those times...

Stainless grill is ok but its no cast iron.
Always need the combination of grill and plate. Can't understand these american BBQ shows were they have 100% grill and no plate. although I think about 30% plate is more than enoughfor the average saturday BBQ (steak cooks way better on the grill - its the char-grilling that gives the BBQ steak flavour. Might as well have roasted it as cooked it on a plate)

Phil could you put the Beefeater deck onto a stand/trolley yourself without too much stuffing around?
That might be the best option - mum and dad have a (massive) beaf eater and its the most awesomest BBQ ever. I've wanted a beefeater the whole time but figured that would come later in life when i was rich and could afford to park a Ferrari in the driveway.
I take it yours doesnt have a hood?

The idea is to eventually build the BBQ in any way (hence the request for Natural Gas compatibility - which I know the beefeaters are) along with the charcoal firebrick rotisserie and dome wood fired oven - can any one say alfresco wanker?


What do you want the plate for?

You don't cook meat on the plate. If you want to cook meat on the plate, you may as well go inside and use a frying pan on the stove.......

Phil
~Sparkles~
Onions, Eggs, Bacon and Potatoes
E320Titanium
QUOTE (~Sparkles~ @ Sep 29 2008, 03:04 PM) *
I don't want stainless plates (what ever tool decided stainless was a good idea for a BBQ should be shot - particularly that pissy 5mm stuff they all use) so either raw cast iron or enamel coated are about my only real options. Stainless frame and hood & burners are fine - just not stainless plates.


I have stainless steel plates and grills and I woudn't have it any other way.

My rusty and flaky enamel plate and grill went into a steel recycle bin. silly.gif
~Sparkles~
Stainless doesn't heat through properly. It gets hot spots and burns, it requires more oil, it discolours and because of the additional oil it tends to spit more.

Cast iron wont rust if treated properly.
I guess I have a fetish for cast iron. 90% of my cookware at home is cast iron (and heavy cast iron at that). My parents have an AGA stove (cast iron) which is just awesome (ask any one whos owned an aga, rayburn etc if they would have anything else). All my camping cookware is either cast iron or spun mild steel (or just 6mm of boiler plate for the fire plate LOL).
I have a collection of cast iron camp ovens - and there must be some reason people collect furphy & lodge camp ovens - its certainly not cause they look pretty.

I do have a couple of (expensive!) Stainless steel pans with copper bases and they are no way near as good as cheap disposal store cast iron pans. The only down side is the weight.
At this stage I'm a fair way off being a stainless convert. Though I do realise that stainless has come a long way in recent years particularly for thermal conductivity - its just not quite there yet.
Ceramic coated cast is probably the best of both worlds - which is an option with many of the better BBQs out there.

When it comes to brewery equipment though - I wouldnt have anything but stainless.
~Sparkles~
Hrmmm BeefEater Signature (the Australian made BeefEater not the cheaper Taiwanese made Discovery) 4 burner in SS with porcelain enamel coated cast-iron cooktops (50/50) is $1689 - A little over my budget - but i'll speak to the minister of war and finance and see if can spend the extra if i take it as a combined b'day and christmas present
DB JAY
QUOTE (~Sparkles~ @ Oct 8 2008, 02:22 AM) *
but i'll speak to the minister of war and finance and see if can spend the extra



you talking about Kel???
LOL
handbrake as i like to call them.
DD Phil
QUOTE (~Sparkles~ @ Oct 8 2008, 12:22 PM) *
Hrmmm BeefEater Signature (the Australian made BeefEater not the cheaper Taiwanese made Discovery) 4 burner in SS with porcelain enamel coated cast-iron cooktops (50/50) is $1689 - A little over my budget - but i'll speak to the minister of war and finance and see if can spend the extra if i take it as a combined b'day and christmas present


All Beef Eater are now made in China as far as I know, I got the last of the Aussie made ones (or so I was told by the dealer). sad.gif

Phil
~Sparkles~
According to the dealer I spoke with the Signature Series are still made ion sydney - its only the discovery series and the trolleys that are made OS
~Sparkles~
Phil did you get one without the hood? the dealer I spoke with today said they dont sell them without hoods - yet a few places i've researched online suggest that the hood is optional.

I could live without the hood - I can always pick up a second hand weber kettle for the odd roast or two - im after the BBQ for cooking bangers and some tasty tasty T-bones

Ideally I want a BeefEater signature S3000s 4 burner without the trolley or hood - hood can come at a later date and the trolley I can just get knocked up at work on a friday arvo

Edit : yeah Jay I was talking about Kel - minister of war and finance - SWMBO - the hand brake - the fun buster. You know all the usual terms of endearment tongue.gif
~Sparkles~
Ahh just called another shop - the S3000s isnt available without the hood only the S3000e is
S3000e without the hood is $699 for the 4 burner
$335 for hood without glass
or $420 with glass. Concidering the glass gets covered in fat and always looks shit I think I'll go the option without glass - and it comes in under budget and leaves a bit of room for building the stand - might even last out and get castors with brakes for the stand!
mac_man_luke
Cant go past a beefeater

Even the taiwanese one is far better than pretty much any other bbq you will find at hardly normal, bbq galore etc
~Sparkles~
Yeah Im pretty sold on the Beefeater - like I say my parents have one and it gets hot as all fuck and is easy to light - easy to clean, one of the few BBQs that shut off the gas if the flame goes out on the burner etc.



The other thing im concidering is a Weber Performer
~Sparkles~
well phil looks like i was partially incorrect regarding place of manufacture.

from the horses mouth:

"Due to increased cost the following products are manufactured as follow, we own the design and tooling on all products

Classic Range - 3000e Manufactured in Australia

SL4000 Range - Hand made in Australia

3000s Range - Manufactured in Taiwan

Discovery Range - Manufactured in China"


Looks like the 3000e classic range is the model for me - made in Australia and completely customisable.
~Sparkles~
So the fun buster has approved the beefeater on one condition as she wants an Everdure "Flinders" BBQ but will let me get the beefeater provided I have a trolley made up and painted before cup weekend.

So wish me luck!

(edit: Im still going to get the weber - perhaps not the performer but at least a one touch gold kettle eventually - roast cooked in a weber are the next level again)
DD Phil
QUOTE (~Sparkles~ @ Oct 9 2008, 03:01 PM) *
well phil looks like i was partially incorrect regarding place of manufacture.

from the horses mouth:

"Due to increased cost the following products are manufactured as follow, we own the design and tooling on all products

Classic Range - 3000e Manufactured in Australia

SL4000 Range - Hand made in Australia

3000s Range - Manufactured in Taiwan

Discovery Range - Manufactured in China"


Looks like the 3000e classic range is the model for me - made in Australia and completely customisable.


I bought mine in Dec 2007, this is what it says on it.

Phil
~Sparkles~
yep - and so do the new ones phil (the S3000s's that is) - make of that what you will...

From what Max from Woodland Home Products (who own beefeater / st George etc) said in his email to me the beefeater products all bar the 4000 series and the 3000 classic series are made offshore only the classic 3000 series (S3000e) and 4000 series are made locally. For how long thats been the case I'm not sure - I do how ever know that when my parents bought there S3000e 5 burner the sales person was saying that beefeater were in the process of moving most of their production off shore. That was about June 07 (their last BBQ caught fire randomly - ie weeks after it was last used so insurance paid for about 50% of their beefeater)

I'm looking at the upgrade on the S3000e to the stainless burners with the flame out detection / shut off device fitted - that bumps the price of the 4 burner S3000e from $699 to $1199 so its a big difference. I might look in to see if you can upgrade to the SS burners and flame out detection at a later date cause $500 is a fairly pricey upgrade - but its an upgrade I really want (the SS burners increase the heat output substantially plus theres the safety aspect of the flame out device - having been around a BBQ that randomly went up in flames the more safety the better IMO)

So far im looking at building a trolley - the prices as follows

$216+ gst for SS casters with brakes
$200+ gst for granite bench tops either side
$550+ gst for folding of the doors and drawers and sides including hinges and drawer slides (no cost - boss is paying for that as a bonus)
$70+ gst for 30 x 30 x 1.6 rhs for the fame (no cost through work)

All that is left is rear of the cabinet and shelves and paint - im hoping for under $800 out of my pocket I can get the trolley made and painted

The trolley i'm making is a 4 door + 2 drawer unit about 1700mm long and 500 deep with 2 off 540 x 420 x 20 granite bench tops (one either side)
Marc
This is what I want to get ... looks great!

http://www.bunnings.com.au/products_produc...d-bbq_2069.aspx

~Sparkles~
I saw the matador in a bunnings - to be honest I wasnt at all impressed by the build quality I thought the Everdure was probably the best built BBQ that bunnings sell.

The matador 5 burner with enclosed cart with doors and side burner I could have easily got for my coin I just didnt feel comfortable with how flimsy it felt. Also the fact that no where else seems to sell them concerned me a bit. I've heard of a few people buying different things from bunnings and then not being able to get spares - or having to pay through the nose to get spares from bunnings on special orders.

If it were me after a kitchen I'd be looking at the Everdure from bunnings or taking a look at a proper BBQ store - you wouldnt by audio gear from a box mover like bunnings - why buy a bbq from them?
hsvmonarogen3
just design, and make your own. that way it will ahve everything you want, with no stainless. smile.gif that way you have something to do when at work and bored
~Sparkles~
Ive got a beefeater Signature Classic S3000e with upgrade burners coming on the 15th november wink.gif
Trolley is currently being fabricated and I've just got to find a suitable coating system. wink.gif
DD Phil
QUOTE (~Sparkles~ @ Oct 19 2008, 05:18 PM) *
Ive got a beefeater Signature Classic S3000e with upgrade burners coming on the 15th november wink.gif
Trolley is currently being fabricated and I've just got to find a suitable coating system. wink.gif


S3000e, I guess that means enamel?

You won't be disappointed, the Beef Eaters are incredible. Being the nerd that I am, I searched for BBQs for like a year before getting mine, nothing is built like them.

Phil
~Sparkles~
Yeah the only thing comparable was the Lifestyle stainless steel BBQs build in sydney. But they are in a whole other price range - plus they are more suited to the "outdoor kitchen" setup which their retail outlets push.

"e" is enamel correct. The "s" not being made in Australia put me off. Plus the "e" is significantly cheaper - nearly $700 cheaper!
but I have opted up to the stainless burners with the "flame out" safety device.
BIGW
I have a focus 8 burner, back burner for spit duties, Cast plates, double skin stainless hood, Stainless burners, powdercoated trolley and hood, all convertered to natural gas. Uk made, assembled here. Close on 3.5k its not cheap but I doubt ill be buying another BBQ for a while.


~Sparkles~
Sounds good Jon!

Its been interesting comparing BBQs - theres a big difference between the BBQs made in Australia, the US and UK compared to BBQs made in Asia and even South Africa.

Certainly the quality of materials and build quality are the first giveaways but then things like hinge types, burner types, surface finish, castor quality (actually something that the Beefeater trolleys are a let down on IMO) sheet metal thickness, quality of the handle for lifting the hood and ignition system and number of ignition points are the real determiners for me. A lot of the cheaper BBQs had battery opperated ignition that can only be used on one burner - or piezo that can only be used on one burner. Or the hood hinged at odd points so you would have to lean right over the BBQ to lift the roasting hood. Or BBQ plates that are odd sizes so you would have trouble finding replacements.

I have no doubt that the cheaper BBQs do a good job. I also believe that you wouldn't taste the difference between a sausage cooked on a $299 k-mart "jackaroo" special compared to a $24,000 beefeater stainless kitchen.

I do however believe that a $2000 BBQ is 10 times better than a $200 BBQ - but I dont believe a $20,000 BBQ is 10 times better than a $2000 BBQ or 100 times better than a $200 BBQ - it will be better no doubt but worth the money - i guess it depends on how big your wallet is.
DD Phil
QUOTE (~Sparkles~ @ Oct 20 2008, 12:07 PM) *
I have no doubt that the cheaper BBQs do a good job. I also believe that you wouldn't taste the difference between a sausage cooked on a $299 k-mart "jackaroo" special compared to a $24,000 beefeater stainless kitchen.


That's why I built my own. The full stainless Beef Eater 5 burner I bought was $1340, it's the same deck as the $5k BBQs. I've since bought another double size plate for tepanyaki.

I welded my entire 3x2m bench and had it powder coated for under $1000. My glass bench wasn't cheap, but the end result is far, far cheaper than $24k and better imo.

Phil
~Sparkles~
gezz you did well phil the 4 burner in stainless is now just under $1700 with the cast iron burners and ceramic coated grill and plates - to go full stainless its $2240 from memory thats BBQ, plates and hood - no stand (the equivilant in enamel is $1650 basically - so a conciderable saving to be had by staying enamel - plus helping keep australians in work!). Im assuming thats cause globally the price of steel has jumped by at least 68% since christmas last year.

The 5 burner is $1899 - again cast plates and burners. to go full stainless I'd hazard a guess that you'd be looking at the best part of $2500.
DD Phil
QUOTE (~Sparkles~ @ Oct 20 2008, 01:25 PM) *
gezz you did well phil the 4 burner in stainless is now just under $1700 with the cast iron burners and ceramic coated grill and plates - to go full stainless its $2240 from memory thats BBQ, plates and hood - no stand (the equivilant in enamel is $1650 basically - so a conciderable saving to be had by staying enamel - plus helping keep australians in work!). Im assuming thats cause globally the price of steel has jumped by at least 68% since christmas last year.

The 5 burner is $1899 - again cast plates and burners. to go full stainless I'd hazard a guess that you'd be looking at the best part of $2500.


Wow.

Mine is all stainless, made in Aust, I only got mine last Dec!

Phil
~Sparkles~
Yeah its amazing the knock on effect both the global steel rises and the fuel prices have had on certain items.
Dad was like "get the 5 burner" till i pointed out to him the $ involved.

The good thing is that Beefeater is like Miele in the fact that they set the retail price and the retail outlets can't (or arent supposed to) deviate from so you always know you're getting the right price
KGB
Sounds like a nice BBQ all right, but granite benchtops either side? Bit too wanky for me, I'd just go with laminated glass and save some coin. Post some pics back here when shes all good to go!
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