Hyena
May 28 2003, 06:04 PM
OK, I've had a few crash problems with a new AMD system I just built but I'm forgetting those for the time being and focussing on an immediate problem.
I've got a similar problem worse...
It functions fairly well for most things but my dad (who I sold the computer to) brought a USB2.0 analogue video capture box thingy. It now crashes every time WITHOUT FAIL when you try and capture. It previews the image ok but as soon as you record you get 5 or 6 seconds worth and then reboot - or if u turn off the reboot option you get one of those blue screens stating a long memory address and at the top says something about IRQL LESS THAN OR NOT EQUAL TO...
and at the bottom mentions the file Cscamd20.sys
My problem now is that the device works ok on my P4 and my dad is going to take my P4 mobo and chip in exchange as he claims I've sold him a dud !!
I don't know if it's an outright AMD fault or a problem with the motherboard. It says on the box p4 1.0g or equilavent so I assume that means AMD. If I knew the mobo was definitely causing the problem I'd go buy a new one but I don't wanna buy a new one and find out that its another incompatibility. It's a cheap ass 'asrock' I've done a complete fresh reinstall of XP and get the same problem so theoretically its not an OS issue (unless its a default setting that disagrees with the capture process) I also tried swapping the ram with a strip of 128m sd I had laying around (the mobo takes both ddr and sd) and it did the same thing so that rules the ram out.
Any ideas ? I REALLY dont wanna give up my faster P4 mobo chip and ram. It's an urgent problem too coz he's moving to qld this sunday
Anyone got a spare AMD XP motherboard I can borrow or machine I can plug this thing into to test ?!
the[K]id
May 28 2003, 06:16 PM
I've seen two things cause this
1) Hard drive is dying (yes, it may work with other mobo's/chips, I dunno, sometimes some mobos are more sensitive about dodgy drives). With most drives these days using SMART it's east to get a boot disk that checks and rules this problem out.
2) Mobo is freaking out. Look for bios updates, if that don't work, replace it.
Mr_Bob
May 28 2003, 06:23 PM
could be the USB port driver?
maybe the generic driver used for that port disagrees with the chipset/mobo.
try upgrading the driver.
rty upgrading the cscamd20.sys file.
Hyena
May 28 2003, 06:25 PM
I doubt it's the HDD, its a 6 month old 80g seagate barracuda.
I'll check for bios updates. If I thought it was the usb component of the mobo (coz its a usb device) I'd buy a seperate usb 2 card (they're only about $40) I dont wanna buy all this stuff and be stuck with it tho.
Hyena
May 28 2003, 06:30 PM
No luck with any info on the sys file - not through google anyway.
Windows xp didn't autodetect the usb ports (there's 6 of em!. I installed the driver from the cd that comes with the motherboard. Will a generic driver be ok with them being usb 2.0 ?
Mr_Bob
May 28 2003, 06:35 PM
i'd look up new mobo drivers, should come with new USB drivers...
though you'd think if the mobo is an AMD mobo the conflict would be elsewhere, like between the usb driver and windows...
check the manufacturer's website for updates,
or google it...
Mick
May 28 2003, 08:08 PM
ive seen this error a few times with usb and win xp...
check your IRQ's for conflicts
also, something i read a while ago, do you have norton antivirus installed? if autoprotect is on, turn it off and test....
ive got some more things to try, ill post em up later im off home!
Hyena
May 28 2003, 11:26 PM
Well, theres been a vast improvement but I dont know if I've saved my motherboard and chip from repossession just yet
I flashed the bios with teh latest version and it seems to be much better. It captures reasonably well now (from a not dropping dead point of view!) but the resultant video is jerky. It claims no dropped frames but its pretty rough and doesnt seem to do it on mine (P4) Oh well, atleast the thing technically works now...
Still it seems like somethings choking or holding it back... I wouldnt have thought a P4 2.4 would be that far superior to an AMD 2100+
WRXCORE
May 29 2003, 03:38 AM
Have you installed the latest VIA 4in1 drivers? or video or other drivers etc...
BlackIce
May 29 2003, 12:55 PM
IRQL*or 1*_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL_TO = CPU failure for some reason or another. Usually you'll get this error on an overheating CPU (Hello AMD), an OC'd CPU (which is overheating) or a stuffed CPU (not very often tho).
Try this:
1. See if there's a BIOS flash available for the MOBO and apply it
2. Fit the biggest, baddest heatsink & fan you can find. Forget about the "AMD Solution" and get something serious on it (Volcano anyone ?)
3. Download the latest drivers for the capture device for whatever version of Windows he's runnign (XP ?)
4. Download the latest MOBO drivers for the OS and apply them (Usually VIA or SIS)
5. Apply all the OS patches/updates/Service Packs you can find, even if they dont have anything to do with the issue you're having
If you hadda ask me a week ago I could have helped, just got rid of the one (and only) AMD machine I ever have, and ever will, own.
Anyway, trust me, I'm a professional .
Hyena
May 30 2003, 02:18 AM
I've always had intels but thought I'd give amd a go seeing as I saw a few good writeups on toms hardware guide etc. and they're a fair bit cheaper than intel. What turned out to be a $300 upgrade turned into a whole $1500 (by the time I get the monitor) new system
Is it likely that it is actually the cpu or could it be the motherboard instead ? I'm leaning towards blaming the mobo coz its cheap and atleast the chip was a packaged brand name one.
There's only one version of 4in1 drivers on the manufacturers website. I figured they'd be the same as thr ones supplies with the mobo but maybe not. They're 4.55 and there's a 4.57 at viaarena.com which I'll give a go.
I can't get any updated USB 2.0 drivers as they can't supply them due to some BS M$ licensing agreement. pft.
edit: I cant get any updated drivers for the capture thingy as it was only just released a few months back.
Thanks blackice and wrxcore.
[ May 29, 2003, 12:20: Message edited by: Hyena ]
STIK79
May 30 2003, 02:47 AM
QUOTE
Originally posted by Hyena:
I wouldnt have thought a P4 2.4 would be that far superior to an AMD 2100+
not when you can o/c the 2100+ (assuming it's TredB core) to ridiculous clock speeds (mine runs at 190x13 (2.47G) fully stable (running prime for two days) ) not bad for a $170 cpu....
Macca
May 29 2003, 10:44 PM
well i thinks it a tempremental thing with XP and capture drvices
i have a TV tuner card, it ran perfect on Win98 and now on XP it crashes with out fail!
got any info on fixing this?
Hyena
May 30 2003, 11:58 AM
Yeah but Stik I'm flat out getting it running properly at 2100 (or 1800 odd as the case may be), let alone anything above!
Macca, what brand of cap card have you got ? Is yours AMD of Intel. If I thought I could fix this problem by running 98 I'd set up a dual boot but the device only runs on 2k and xp.
Update: The latest of everything has been installed and the vid cap device now works - sorta. It captures to dvd res mpeg2 ok but the picture is crapty - ie crap encoding. It has the facility to capture straight to avi (which is preferred as then u can use another encoder which takes its time and does a much better job) The avi capture works on my P4 but not on the AMD. It doesnt say its dropped any frames but mega jerky on playback. My dad has packaged the capture box back up and is taking it back to harvey normans today to attempt to get his money back. He's still whinging about the computer but its doing everything it's supposed to now, bar a few crashes here and there (which hopefully will be fixed by some increased cooling)
So it looks like I get to keep my new system at the cost of having the occasional 'you little turd, you sold me a dud'
Oh well, he's leaving sunday so I'll only get harrassed via email and phone calls now, and would you believe it but I get terrible mobile reception at home and it tends to drop out alot
STIK79
May 30 2003, 12:50 PM
I had this problem (crashing with IRQL error ) turned out to be a dead stick of ram compounded by a KT266(motherboard chipset) + GF2 video card issue (which via have supposedly fixed/nvidia have supposedly fixed...) (mostly the dead ram though...)
Either way did you try the latest drivers for everything (ie d/ling detonator drivers from nvidia)
IS XP SP1'd???
Does the MB you have actually support USB2.0??!? (compared to 1.1 that most lowended semi older motherboards come with?) USB2 have a far superior transfer rate IIRC...
Sure you've got DDR266 Ram???! (PC2100 )
Either way don't blame AMD
Post a complete system spec (MB RAM etc etc and I might have some more ideas )
[ May 30, 2003, 10:53: Message edited by: STIK79 ]
Hyena
May 30 2003, 03:42 PM
Well you've almost got the chipset and vid card nailed
The chip as already stated is an AMD XP 2100+
Mobo is an ASROCK K7VT2 which I initially brought because it supported both SD and DDR ram. It was supposed to be a cheap $300 chip and mobo upgrade but things got out of hand The mobo has onboard sound, lan and 6x usb 2.0 - so yeah, definitely USB2.0 (40x faster than usb 1 it claims)
I can't remember the speed of the ram but I think it was the most the mobo could handle which was 2100 - I think... I also recall seeing 200mhz as the ram speed listed somewhere - probably at boot up. The ram is 512m, brand is PQI - cheap I know.
Vid card is a geforce 2 mx200 w/tv out. I didn't bother with updated drivers for that as my dad wont be playing any games or anything.
HDD is an 80g seagate barracuda.
Older and remaining stuff:
20g fujutsu HDD, 8x Sony CDRW, 16x Hitachi DVD, and firewire card.
Thats about it.
RAM, CPU and MOBO were brand new. HDD and vid and firewire card are about a year old, the rest about 2.
Oh yeah, I put an old stick on 128m SD ram in it and it gave the same IRQL crash when trying to capture video.
STIK79
May 30 2003, 06:46 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by Hyena:
Vid card is a geforce 2 mx200 w/tv out. I didn't bother with updated drivers for that as my dad wont be playing any games or anything.
Yeah but this could have caused the crap video playback (unless other vids played fine??) dunno - i'd definitely not trust any motherboard still using the KT266A chipset!
I definitely would've Service packed winXP too (although I assume it knows about USB2.0 outta the box??!)
the[K]id
Jun 1 2003, 01:55 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by STIK79:
I definitely would've Service packed winXP too (although I assume it knows about USB2.0 outta the box??!)
It's made by MS, dont assume ANYTHING
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