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Amfibius
Hello everyone, I recently had all three CD players in my car so I thought I would share my thoughts. I am still a bit of a car audio newbie but I definitely know home audio. My gf and I are both classical music nuts and we attend concerts regularly. I have a very good idea what real instruments are supposed to sound like.

The listening was done by my gf (a concert pianist who does not perform), my best friend (also a home audio nut), and myself. CD's used included a selection of classical and jazz.

My intention is not to provide you with specs (you can check them out yourself) but to share my subjective listening impression. The Mac and the Pioneer combo are nearly the same price (mid $2k) while the Kenwood is substantially cheaper ($950). But Kenwood has been billed by some as a "giant killer" so I thought it would be interesting to see how it would fare in this company.

Link to Mac 406
Link to Kenwood KCD-01
Link to Pioneer DEX-P9R and DEQ-P9R

System: Butler TDB-475 driving Dynaudio MD130 + MW160. Sound deadened doors, no subs.


Looks and usability


Mac 406. Fit and finish is superb. The knurled metal knob feels very old school and is nicely weighted. This unit is very minimalist with no tone controls and (as everyone knows) no FF/RR. The display is minimal and visible under direct sunlight (my car is a convertible).

The major benefit IMO is that it looks cheap. So hopefully thieves won't notice it. But it certainly does not feel cheap - you get a nice block of perspex, nice buttons, and subtle badging.

Apart from the lack of FF/RR there are no ergonomic faults with this unit. Everything is easy to access and control. The face is not detachable.


Kenwood KCD-01. The face is made of real aluminum but it is shiny and IMO looks cheap. I mean "cheap" in a different sense to the Mac though - in this case it looks like a poorly finished attempt at being flashy. The Mac is a well finished attempt at being understated. It feels like it is a class below the other two CD players. Because, well, it is smile.gif The display is easy to read under direct sunlight. All the buttons glow a cool white at night.

The forward/backward track button is rather small. You definitely have to look for it before you can press it. A larger button would be nice!


Pioneer DEX-P9R. The face is made of aluminum but has a flat finish. The finish has a certain subtle lustre. The buttons are made of painted plastic. The display is OLED and is difficult to read under direct sunlight even at the brightest setting. Too many reflections. There are a couple of features in common with high end home audio CD players - you can simplify or turn off the display. I have always believed that this is a gimmick in home audio as I could never hear a difference. I would be lying to you if I told you I could hear a difference in my car!

There are a couple of irritations. First, no mute button. If I get a phone call I have to manually turn the volume down. Also, there are no radio buttons. To access a preset station, you have to use the remote or scroll through the best stations memory.

The graphic equalizer is a major PITA to tune. All you have is this 4 way controller. It is slow and requires a lot of button presses.


Sound quality
The Mac 406 was the first player installed in my car. It is incredibly detailed. You can hear when singers breathe, you hear the thud of fingers as they hit the keys on the piano, you can even hear someone turning the page for the soloist. The downside is that it sounds dry and the midrange is a bit thin. For some reason, pianissimos were almost inaudible over road noise while the fortissimos had me rushing to turn down the volume.

The Kenwood went in next because my installer was heavily recommending it. He let me try it for a day and I decided I did not want it. The sound is sweeter and fuller than the Mac. However it lacks detail. If I tried this unit first off I may have been happy with it, but after knowing that I can extract a lot more detail from my music I wanted better.

So I installed a Pioneer DEX-P9R with the DEQ-P9R. I managed to claw back a lot of detail although I still believe that the Mac 406 extracted more from the CD. This player is far more musical though! After some equalization and general tuning it sounds even better. Punchy, tight bass, excellent instrument seperation, and deeper soundstage.


Conclusion
First, a disclaimer - at the moment I am still not entirely satisfied with my setup. There are certain frequencies that sound hard and shrill. Some instruments still do not sound natural. The bass is OK but my system can definitely benefit from a small sub. IOW there are deficiencies elsewhere in the system that may have influenced the results - by exaggerating deficiencies or by hiding strengths.

Based on what I heard, I would place the Pioneer first, the Mac second, and the Kenwood third.

I have listened to other SQ decks (Clarion HXD2 and Denon DCT-R1) but not in the same system. As I cannot isolate the performance of the HU from the rest of the system I will not comment. All I can tell you is what the buttons felt like smile.gif

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Brucee
nice review u got there, any review on naka? denon? or F#1?
Amfibius
QUOTE (Brucee @ Sep 5 2005, 04:20 PM)
nice review u got there, any review on naka? denon? or F#1?
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No review on any of them because I haven't had a chance to compare the head units in the same system.
golf_bht
I have D2 and new F1 in the same system before. Both unit sound very nice.

Built Quality:

F1 is built to be transport only. So their are many boxes to complete the system. To make use of the full feature you need 7 chanel of amp. the face place feel very solid it is made of real aluminum. all the button feel very solid. The processor box look abit small for the kind of $$$. it feature the best DSP chip available for consumer product. The power supply box for HU is quite solidly built.

D2 have a very beautiful copper finish. the built is just a tad lower than F1. the power supply box on the D2 look better than F1 thank to the extrude aluminum casing. The internal of power supply of D2 is not as solid as F1.

Both have very good finish and is way above average HU on the market. I like the look of D2 more than F1. So D2 win for the appearance.

subjective listening:

F1 have more detail and more warmer sound. The Vocal have more "full body" than D2. D2 is more lively. F1 is more laid back and less attacking than D2. F1 is more forgiving for bad CD than D2. F1 play DVD full of MP3+wma D2 doesn't.

The saxophone sound a bit overly big on the D2 it sound like the player wanna jump at you ( Manga CD track 13) F1 on the other hands have a more calm charactor to the sound. sound like the same song being played in a better studio. the background is more black. the staging is more deep and solid than the D2. While this sound like a disastor for D2, It is actually not. I am being super picky here. The D2 is doing very good and not very far behind. actually it is pritty close.

Tuning feature: F1 give you everything you will ever need. D2 is a bit limited.

F1 can be tuned by PC interface or from the HU+ TV. you can try to tune an F1 with no TV and you will eventually found the propper meaning of the word nightmare. without the TV F1 have the worst user interface for tuning I ever seen. the little screen on the HU is almost useless for tuning. with the additional TV.... it is easier than playing a PS2

D2 user interface is just as bad minus the PC interface and the ability to hook up external screen. So imagine what you have to deal with.

Verdict :

If you want the best F1 is for you. it is built to be the best HU out there. the built quality is topnotch. The price is a bit prohibitive. the SQ is the best I ever heard.

D2.. while sound quality is pritty close to F1. the price is a good factor to buy it. I could say that D2 is a poor man F1. D2 give every thing that average people need minus what ever average people don't. you will have a bit of problem setting the the system up initially but it is just only the first time.

Value for money D2 win... Outright SQ and tuneability F1 win. If you have enough $$$ F1 is for U if not then D2 is the best bet.



Reference:

Splits DLS IR6.3
Sub DLS IR10
Amps DLS A8 &A5

Software

Diana Krell : the girl in the other room
Claire Marlo : Let it go SACD Hybrid
Manga CD :Various artist
Chie Ayado : Live
Chie Ayado : To you
Amanda Mcbroom : Dreaming
Livington Tayler :Ink
Shanling SACD demo disc
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