DEF-YET
Jun 21 2003, 12:43 AM
Just got fuked over by a cop!
Was at penrith and he was behind me when my wheels slightly spun on gravel so he pulls me over and gets me for a burnout, and a bald tyre (which i was changing tomorrow) All up $350 and 3 point! Now i have 1 point left.
And he asked me where i got the subwoofer from.. And i politly said to him.. The subwoofer and amplifier have been important from US but does it matter? And he cut sik and told me not to speak to him like that or he will right more defects out on the car!
So he said they are ganna right a report so if the car still has the stezza in it when a copper sees it again they will conviscate the car and they may also come round my house to see if its still in there!
Seen im in so much debt i might aswell seel everything as i cant be fuked with car audio anymore!
[ June 21, 2003, 00:20: Message edited by: N.O.S Boy ]
Interceptor
Jun 21 2003, 01:12 AM
Now *THAT* is just wrong
I hope you got his name and badge number, cos IMO, you’re entitled to make a complaint about it.
Yet another reason I carry a mini tape recorder with me.
RockfordMini
Jun 21 2003, 02:20 AM
yeah man that's bullcrap, he can't do that and should be reported.
DEF-YET
Jun 21 2003, 02:22 AM
I know but i cant do anything.. I broke the road rules he was behind me when i did it. They say what they want and get away with it! I cant do anything bout it now!
WRXCORE
Jun 21 2003, 02:36 AM
Soo cops cant book ppl anymore? hahaha
U ppl dont live in NSW the Nazi state
rheetard
Jun 21 2003, 03:19 AM
well **** that just sucks..
at least keep the car for shows ;P
eMitch
Jun 21 2003, 04:30 AM
Like it was mentioned above, for the police to do such a thing would not only be wrong, but would be against any powers that they would have. Unless they can prove that your stereo components are stolen etc. then they have no right to confiscate any part of your vehicle.
If they do have such a power (the law may be different in your state) then there will be a set time period in which they can maitain custodial possession of the goods before they are obliged to hand the goods back to you.
I know that it doesn't pay to be a smart*** to the cops, but seriously, I have read some posts lately which portray cops to be complete and utter pricks, and I think that its about time that we started to stand up for ourselves. If a police officer comes out with some random statement that you don't understand or don't think that it sounds right, then ask the office under which police power does he have the right to commit such an action. Do it politely, I did this once and still got let off with a warning, just DON'T BE SMART ABOUT IT! The worst thing that you can do is be a smart***. My friend and I were walking along after going to the pub one night (he's in my law class at uni) and we got stopped by an officer, my mate was a prick to the officer, and ended up with a night in jail. But if you affirm your rights then if the matter goes any further a magistrate is more likely to believe your story if you acted in a civil manner! Stay calm guys. Unfortunately the police are there to do a job. I'm sure that there are plenty of people here that work that come across pricks in business life everyday, but usually we just forget about them! Its just one of those sad things in life when a cop takes your money!
Cheers...Mitch
Mick
Jun 21 2003, 10:35 AM
shoulda sed stratties mate...shoulda sed stratties
chin up...everythin will sort it self out.
maybe its time to make a street friendly box...
and appeal the burnout fine on the grounds you drive a colt! (sez he in the pulsar haha)
DrEvil
Jun 21 2003, 10:47 AM
As Tony said above... the cops haven't actually abused there powers at all...
All they said was that if the car is seen again they will take it to the pits for a proper defect check up...
DEF-YET
Jun 21 2003, 10:48 AM
Yeh but the car is unroadworthy.. It doesnt have an engineers certificate and has no back seats and **** everywhere!
I know they can come out within a few days and check if the stereo is still in it!
Poida
Jun 21 2003, 12:07 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by DrEvil:
As Tony said above... the cops haven't actually abused there powers at all...
All they said was that if the car is seen again they will take it to the pits for a proper defect check up...
If they said they will confiscate the car if they see it with the stereo in again, then i'm afraid they've abused their power. I'm yet to see a law which would allow that.
Mr_Bob
Jun 21 2003, 12:28 PM
scott, they can only fine/defect you if you take the car onto the road like that...
why not get an enginner's certificate and get it registered as a 2 seater?
it's about $100 or so.
sure you may not have the $$$ right now, but $100 isn't much in comparison to what you've spent on the stereo.
DEF-YET
Jun 21 2003, 12:57 PM
No last week i spose to 2 nice cops that liked my stereo and they said that if they come round they can still get the car if its parked out the front.. But if its in ur garage they cant do **** !
It happened to my mate, The cops came round with a tow truck cause hes car had been spotted again and he wasnt home!
And ive had 4 cops tell me that i wouldnt stand a chance getting a engineer cert for it. mayb as a 2 seater but not for the stereo in the back!
It would still be illegal!
Every cop i talk to said the engineer cert will be about $800 - $900
[ June 21, 2003, 10:58: Message edited by: N.O.S Boy ]
DEF-YET
Jun 21 2003, 01:01 PM
They wrote a report on the car and if i get pulled over again with it the same way they can conviscate it?
I duno if they can do this but i had 3 other people next to me when he said this!
I thought they could only impound it if they wrote out defects for it and the defects have not been fixed and it is still the same then theyr can impound the car?
But is a report the same cause he didnt give me a defect for the stereo only wrote a report on it!
[ June 21, 2003, 11:04: Message edited by: N.O.S Boy ]
XHELL
Jun 21 2003, 01:28 PM
I don't understand how they can take the stereo if it wasn't the cause of any misuse etc, unless you've had to modify the car to get it in there. Like having 5 adults in the car and makes it low can they still get you for too low even though the car is rated for 5 adults. Anyways, I don't understand why the stereo has anyting to do with it..
Chookman
Jun 21 2003, 01:45 PM
so having a stereo in ur car is illegal now?
UsedBC
Jun 22 2003, 02:37 AM
hey also, if go to court about the burnout and as long as it was only a short on. you can say that u lost traction due to the gravel they will 90%of the time let u off. I was doing a nice wheel spin at a set of lights in dromoyyne in the wet around easter, in my cousins commodore. I filled out the thing on the back for a court appearance and when i got there the judge let me off without even hearing my story! so dude if that is anything to go by, you might not have lost 3 points
DEF-YET
Jun 22 2003, 02:57 AM
XHELL
The interior ofthe car has been changed!
The back seats and seat belts have been removed = Illegal!
They werent talking about conviscating the stereo they mean the car cause it doesnt comply with the rules!
Interceptor
Jun 21 2003, 06:23 PM
You do not have to get ANY stereo changes approved by an engineer as long as there’s no structural (read: cutting steel, etc) modifications involved.
Besides, the back seat is out while it’s being retrimmed, isn’t it? *nudge nudge, wink wink*
XHELL
Jun 21 2003, 07:01 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by N.O.S Boy:
The interior ofthe car has been changed!
Hmmm, well I'm screwed, although I haven't had any dramas yet. My advice is clean her all up, and keep it clean....
Marc
Jun 21 2003, 08:13 PM
Engineers Certificate for $100 bucks? I'd like to see that!
Beezo
Jun 21 2003, 08:21 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by N.O.S Boy:
No last week i spose to 2 nice cops that liked my stereo and they said that if they come round they can still get the car if its parked out the front.. But if its in ur garage they cant do **** !
It happened to my mate, The cops came round with a tow truck cause hes car had been spotted again and he wasnt home!
As long as the car is on your side of the letterbox (in your driveway), then it is private property, and the coppers can't get on the property without permission or a warrant. I don't think they'll have a warrant to tow your car in their back pocket.
DrEvil
Jun 21 2003, 08:27 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by Interceptor:
You do not have to get ANY stereo changes approved by an engineer as long as there’s no structural (read: cutting steel, etc) modifications involved.
Biggest load of bullcrap ever.
DrEvil
Jun 21 2003, 08:30 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by poid:
quote:
Originally posted by DrEvil:
[b]As Tony said above... the cops haven't actually abused there powers at all...
All they said was that if the car is seen again they will take it to the pits for a proper defect check up...
I thought that he meant if they see him driving round again then they will send him to the pits for defecting straight away...
Ur car is roadworthy with stereo in it. U say u have removed the seats and seat belts for the rear seat. In WA (shouldn't be too much different in NSW as long as the seats and seatbelts r removed and no provision for people to use them it is fine. A mate of mine with a full wall was told this as he was about to re register his car as a 2 seater. and he has had a cop look at his wall and no problems.
call up the RTA and ask them what do i need to do as I have removed my back seat of my car. See what they need you to do.
Then go from there. Don't take the cops word for it or anyones elses call up and find out for yourself. Get there name and mark time fo call for future reference. So if people give you hassels say this person of X RTA on this day at this time told me I needed to do X,Y and Z for this to be legal and I have done that.
[ June 21, 2003, 20:02: Message edited by: KraSE ]
Walkinshaw
Jun 22 2003, 01:43 AM
as long as you have removed both the seat and the Seatbelts you should have no problem.
Interceptor
Jun 22 2003, 03:22 AM
QUOTE
Originally posted by DrEvil:
quote:
Originally posted by Interceptor:
[b]You do not have to get ANY stereo changes approved by an engineer as long as there’s no structural (read: cutting steel, etc) modifications involved.
“Biggest load of bullcrap ever”???????
Considering who it’s coming from, I find you saying that rather comical!
Seriously, if you think something I said is wrong, explain why, or keep your mouth shut.
basic124
Jun 22 2003, 03:35 AM
intereceptor: CHILLLLLLLL sheeze..
by the soudns of it.. you havent seen scotts car... and i think drevil was speaking in relation to removing seats etc... you only mentioned cutting metal, tehrefore he has grounds to be a whinigng litlte no-it-a;ll.. and you ahve the right to deal with it...
hhaha
cmon scott... fight teh power.. go one better, WALL!!!! abotu friggin time, i see no other option... i cant see you geting off ur **** to convert that paddock-basher to be into a road worthy car again, and we all knwo you love SPL... there really is no other option...
DrEvil
Jun 22 2003, 10:41 AM
QUOTE
Originally posted by Interceptor:
quote:
Originally posted by DrEvil:
[b] quote:
Originally posted by Interceptor:
[b]You do not have to get ANY stereo changes approved by an engineer as long as there’s no structural (read: cutting steel, etc) modifications involved.
“Biggest load of bullcrap ever”???????
Considering who it’s coming from, I find you saying that rather comical!
Seriously, if you think something I said is wrong, explain why, or keep your mouth shut.[/b]
HAHAHA
there are SEVERAL modifications other than just "cutting metal" that required to be engineered to be legal.
Stereo related would be "removing back seats" and "removal of rear seat belts". These are 2 examples of stereo related modifications that he has done which he pointed out in this thread.
Would you like a spoon with that?
Interceptor
Jun 23 2003, 02:14 AM
I don’t know about miserable dump you live in sally, but up here in QLD, removing the back seat doesn’t require an engineers certificate, just requires a modification plate. More serious stuff such as body modifications, cutting structural parts, major changes to suspension (leaf to coils/airbags/etc) steering (changing from a steering box to rack and pinion) and stuff like that.
Poida
Jun 22 2003, 05:58 PM
Cut it out you two...
In NSW as far as i can remember there are no modification plates, so basically minor mods that mean the car hasnt really changed from manufacturer's spec are OK.
I thought that if the seats and seatbelts were both out then its OK? Better confirm with the RTA on what is and isnt allowed.
Still dont see how they can confiscate a car you drive that hasnt been slapped with a red sticker if they see you again
DEF-YET
Jun 22 2003, 06:02 PM
Personally i dont give a **** , I still drive it, And im not changing it!
Im 99% sure the rule is, The back seats can be removed if it is a 2-3door vehicle but 4-5 door vehicle the seats must remain!
Stone
Jun 22 2003, 06:11 PM
It would be safer to find out for sure... Get RTA to put it on paper so you can show the cops next time.
DrEvil
Jun 22 2003, 06:14 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by Interceptor:
I don’t know about miserable dump you live in sally, but up here in QLD, removing the back seat doesn’t require an engineers certificate, just requires a modification plate. More serious stuff such as body modifications, cutting structural parts, major changes to suspension (leaf to coils/airbags/etc) steering (changing from a steering box to rack and pinion) and stuff like that.
Well NosBoy is in NSW... so you are no help in this matter
Wilf55
Jun 22 2003, 06:27 PM
I called the RTA about this a lil while ago...
Do it yourself if you have a spare few mins...
Transferred to the Technical questions department, who then says call your local inspection station - which happened to be the local Holden dealer iirc...
Anyway, got to talking with some guy just before his lunch break, so he had a few mins to kill.
To remove the rear seat, or to place anything in the rear that would interfere with the normal seating capacity (ie: 5 people down to 2, wall scenario) REQUIRES an engineering certificate to be legal whether the seat + belts are removed or not, needs to be re-registered as a 2 seater... and during the inspection for re-registering they go over the car something fierce. It needs to be in A1 mechanical condition for them to pass it.
The guy actually said to me, it would be better and cheaper just to put the stuff in and hope you dont get pulled over.
Not that I would reccomend this, as it would be illegal.
DrEvil
Jun 22 2003, 07:32 PM
Thanks for the confirmation Wilf55...
Macca
Jun 22 2003, 07:43 PM
I also do recall another member saying even to remove a seat bolt belt and replace it back in you need a certificate, as you NEED the correct torque settings.
Our cars couuld be much safer and more reliable is the automotice repar pplz were as strick as us aircraft repair's
damn i need to even use correct torque setting on battries buss bars
Subatomic
Jun 22 2003, 08:58 PM
QUOTE
Originally posted by Macca:
to remove a seat bolt belt and replace it back in you need a certificate
LOL hope not cause with my car, the origional seatbelts were a pain in the **** cause the were not retactable.. so i went to the wreckers and got completely different 1's from a newer capella whiched worked sweet and were the retractable type
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