http://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/MTX/jackhammer.1.wmv

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JACKHAMMER


Why cant they use a sub like this and dominate the SPL industry or even put 2 of those in there boots.....I am very curious!

A MUST WATCH ASWELLL - watch it all...

Becuase they are crap?

lol who says it cant be used in dB Drag? it would automatically put them into an SS/extreme class, but its usable

and why waste so much space on one of those chunky ass things when you could use the enclosure space for a pile of smaller, better subs? wouldnt make sense to me..
kinda like the dude with that mtx built monster sub that you see on the net every so often, but thats more for the 'hehe' factor than the 'im loud' factor i think

Summed it up quite well there, mate.

Poor bloke has to drive around with that thing in his car.

Personal experience?

For the $6k or so it costs, and then the insane amount of power needed to get it moving, you could easily buy a much louder system with subs that have been proven as SPL beasts

$6k.. that buys a lot of Atomic & E-audio..

Man this forum is full of "know it alls" that preach what they read on the net.

Pumped summed it up quite well.

I second that.

You call something CRAP yet you have never even laid eyes on it in real life.

Good one.

RRP for this sub i have been told by a shop in canberra is

$23,000 thats is thought mtx in australia not inporting one for overseas.

$23,000 ?!?!?
Man, thats a Crown 6000, 2x DD9910's and a CRX with turbo conversion...

It's still a CRX no matter what you do to it steve

$23,000 sounds very steep, Max ive heard was $12,000 for one. There would be simply little point building a sub like this and selling it for $23,000, only bonus is the advertising factor.

When this sub was build i dont think MTX decided to make it a real SPL winner, yet its more of an advertising gimic for people. If you had the money and power to run one of them, and everything was setup well you could probaly get some decent numbers, maybe not competition winning at highest level.

Still one awesome looking insane sub and id rather have one of them then 2 15's.

Aight i got my answer the sub is a hunk of scrap metal and takes up too much room and braked budgets and what not..admin feel free to delete this if you want more room!

Thanks i was so damn curious thats all seemed pretty bad ass in the movie!

It will go loud, and it looks good.

But it isn't going to be able to compete with a whole bunch of DD 9915's

Talking of DD how much for say 15" DD a decent one i am not sure on the series...im thinking more the budget price...i no they are good and expensive but can anyone give me a ruff estimate as the dd site has no prices and i dont no who sells DD's besides them??

Try 2 x Treo CSX 15"!
If you can beat that... you're doing good!

http://www.fastfoursforumscarclub.com/temp...d_pricelist.pdf

thats the current pricelist for the Digital Designs range of Woofers, speakers and Amplifiers

www.fhrxstudios.com
all the price lists you could ever want

part of it is most certainly an avertising gimmic as what normal person wants to put a 100kg sub in there car? for music?? thats just rediculous. it seems that they still think bigger is better(that only applies to other things ) but when it comes down to it, large cones/coils=weight which=inefficiency so they try and make the magnet bigger to make up for it :huh:

but you carnt say that its all crap, with enough power im sure it could do big numbers but you would have to ask why someone would buy it over other subs that could do the same with less weight and space. there just a coil and cone theres nothing that special about them

it reminds me of there failed RFL's the only good thing they did was burn out!

Phil

DDs are far from expensive.

Our enrty level 1015 is only $329 and is 100% handmade in the USA. Auto Salon magazine fed over 700Wrms into the 8" version, it pounded out more clean bass than any 12" they'd tested, and it scored 92% for overall SQ.

Phil

BWHAHAHAHAH i love it how they go... 130 db is louder than an airplane jet!

pfft fkn pimp my ride...

yeah no matter what tryhard subs these other brands put out they will never match the strength of the 99 series

the treo's are good' but at least DD put some thought into there magnet design, something treo didn't do.

FAILED yea thats why the RFL had the world 1-2 extreme record aye and were only just behind the 3-4 record at one stage. I owned a RFL for about three years and it worked fine for what it was designed for-problem is idiots buy it to show off and stuff it not running in the spider etc and it ended up pulling off the V/C winding-so user error created a bad name for a rather alsome sub for spl...

hey dd phil
just wondering are these 1015 out yet if not when will they be released as there not on the price list
regards brendon

They're in our next shipment, due mid Oct.

Phil

which means the spiders are not centered correctly to begin with and pull to one side at the end of each stroke, its also a downside to having a sub that moves that far, you carnt have a a 100mm of throw and not expect some sideways movement unless you spend a little more time designing it better.

wearing them in properly how crap is that! people want subs they can use out of the box, none of this "oh i carn't crank it yet its not centered properly" rubbish

you go to a dbdrag in extreme class, pull out your spare cos you just blew one up' and you remember "gee i carn't use this cos its gonna burnout, i havent worn it in

it all comes down to poor design again... simple

Kove held a tonne of world records with their Armageddon U2 range too.. and where is the U2 now ? Infact, where's Kove ?

Not really.

Phil

Exactly, "running in" subs makes me laugh everytime, which parts in a woofer have any frictional contact?

Sure the spiders may soften a tad, but running a woofer "without" "running in" CAN'T cause any damage.

Phil

I want proof, please send one of DD's new 18" woofers so i can see this theory in action..

No need for a return address either!

we dropped 15" subs into a 10cf (per woofer) wall and through 10kw into each sub without 'running' them in. now blown subs from burps, only dm

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TWO TALKING ABOUT. They pull the V/C winding off the former due to the massive electrical pull and the tight spider assebly, thus breaking the bonding agent. The RFL loosens up a hell of alot with run in-and you should know all about this phil wait till I catch up with you

130db at what frequency?

So that was the excuse they gave you for poor construction?

Some people will swallow anything...............

Phil

And what's wrong with the double stacked strontium ferrite magnet design on the Treo? It looks good IMO... and it appears to be working for the sub

you mean the 'burning in' of the winding resin! all subs do it, the big extreme spl stuff especially' as the glue heats up it gets softer and when the sub cools down it is harder than before! how hot you get the former dictates how hard the resin gets! up to a certain point of coarse.

but the resin is baked on in the factory and should be good enough to handle the power being put into them, its not the massive electrical pull, its simply very inneficient untill you get massive amounts of power into them to get some air cooling around the coil! either that or dodgy manufacture...

but you like em!, i don't so lets leave it at that ok!

as for the treo's the magnet works fine(my back's still recovering from the weight ), but i think for the money they could be better....they do have world records to brag about though i guess

I'll agree with you on that note.... the weight is crazy on those things! The 15" is about 30 kgs I think

Whats wrong with a Treo, well its not a DD .

Good numbers out a DD i tell you if you know what your doing a single 12 inch i might add.

Most people dream about doing those numbers.

Exactly... it's a TREO

Give me one and if it does a good number then brag .

I got a DD and it did a good number so i will brag after Melbourne Autosalon

Talk to Bass Mobster.... I'm sure he might tee up something with ya.. gladly

no not burning in of the V/C thats a joke... The compliance is so strong on these subs that you cant even move the cone by hand yet they have 4...." xmax so imagine the pull on the glue.

Why dont you have a chat to him John and if the Treo hits at least 150 i will be very happy to use and promote the product .

How about Soundstream gear? I hear from one of the boys in Adelaide it's shaking s**t like no tomorrow.

And I'll find out about the Treo for you

Well the Soundstream has hit a 150 in testing and so has the DD, for the Treo to be ranked just as well im gonna have to get my hands on one and see what it does in my perfect 12 inch box .