Iasca exists in the australia? What´s the website ?

Thank´s
Gustavo

Nope no big IASCA reach in Australia to my knowledge.
IASCA Belgium
IASCA Brasil
IASCA Canada
IASCA Colombia
IASCA China
IASCA Dominican Republic
IASCA France
IASCA Guatemala
IASCA Indonesia
IASCA Italy
IASCA Ireland
IASCA Japan
IASCA Korea
IASCA Malaysia
IASCA Mexico
IASCA Panama
IASCA Philippines
IASCA Russia
IASCA South Africa
IASCA Singapore
IASCA Spain
IASCA Taiwan
IASCA Thailand
IASCA Turkiye
IASCA UK
IASCA Ukraine

I heard rumours IASCA was going to start up around here but meh... Some think it can't work.

Good Ol CAASQ for now.
Here's a link www.caraudioaustralia.com ...
Anyone else know anything about IASCA coming to Oz?

EMMA yes, IASCA no... They were here in the 1990's and left if my memory of history is correct.

Won't be seeing much CAASQ in NSW now either.... somebody bring an SQ comp to Sydney in 2006 please

EMMA eh.. all i can say is good luck, would have been nice if the people behing it got behing CAASQ when they had a chance...

IASCA died in aust many years ago. all for the same reason i doubt EMMA will be around long here..

why was iasca died in aust?

What´s CAASQ ? Car Audio Australia Sound Quality ? Is a association ?

Gustavo

I´m going to sydney in 2006 . They don´t make championships of SQ in sydney?

Gustavo

Because Rhonda, Drew and I were the only ones turning up to the Qld meetings in the end.................

In the hey-day he had 30-50 entries and a comp every month, at the Aust Finals Qld cars won nearly everything. Then a lot of retailers just lost interest.

Phil

Correct, CAA Sound Quality competitions. CAASQ has been retired from NSW, this is the last year in this state until further notice...

why is caasq retired from nsw? not enough competitor?

Well that's abit sucky...

Why aren't those in charge trying to think of legitimate methods of promoting the competition?

All I see is people pointing the finger at anyone on the the forums with a sound system who didnt compete consistently.

If a retail store is struggling to get customers in the door what you - as the manager/owner - do?

a: whinge about customers not coming in or
b: get up and try to think of a way to get the customers in

Maybe it's just me, but as the attendance through the season dropped, i didnt see any genuie corresponding attempts to improve attendance.

Making a thread in a small (very easy to miss) section of a forum, that says "not enough people are coming!" cant seriously be expected to achieve all that much.

I know it's hard to fund promoting, given that it is a non-profit comptetition, but surely there must be some inexpensive way of getting word out.

Remember, people have jobs, families, friends and lives to live also. While previous competitors like myself will try all we can to make it, it's unreasonable to expect the handful of us to put it all on the line to make every single even no matter what.

The reason for the poor attendance isn't because competitors are lazy, or stupid... it's because barely anyone knows the comp even exists!

If the comp is to have any future here, those involved are going to have to stop pointing the blame at the handful of people who miss one or two events (often with good reason) and work on bringing in new competitors.

i have been to every comp so far and plan on going to every event coming up.
the last one was even on my birthday!

after organising events for CAA i myself find it frustrating when you get a heap of members saying "when is the next meet" then having a meet and no one that wanted it shows up.
the SQ comps were the same, had so many members wanting a comp but when they start the excuses come out.

i said all last year that i wasent going to compete untill this year, was waiting on a car and needed to install everything.
i finnished installing everything the day b4 the comp.
the install is rough as hell and i still compete.
if i wasent going to sell the car i would have contiued working on it and getting installed neetly when i had the time. yet still would have competed.

as i said in another thread, i spent quite alot of money and heaps of time getting my stereo installed just to compete, even though the car was up for sale b4 the comps started!!!


obviusly you know someone else who is into car audio?
did you invite them??
the more members that come and the more that bring there friends the bigger the comp will be.

the more ppl that make excuses that they cant come and we have a small handfull turn up there is no reason to keep it going.

it's up to you guys to keep it alive.

ifnot ill reclaim my one sunday every month and forget we even tried to offer everyone something.

we get lots in attendance up here in qld.

Think it is because we aim for having lots of fun rather than winning and stuff =) Not that i know how your format is like.

But it is all relaxed and spectator and competitors alike love being there

i agree with pancho up there
bobby said it to a tee

caasq is defininetly 3-4years too late for me, if just caasq start 3years ago, i wonder how many trophy i have now (cos i can't enter cabin, cos the only thing that good in my car is my audio), next year i must go overseas and yet i hear caasq will available in perth the whole year ,dang

As have I... I've spend hours a day for days in a row working on tuning of my system before competitions, spent far more money then I realistically should on my system (especially considering that my car is worth half my system at best), so I can assure you each time i've been unable to show up I wasn't at all happy about it given all the time, money and effort 'wasted'.



Damn right I did. One of my mates just got a very nice system install done at FHRX studies, but it was only just finished a couple of weeks back, meaning it wasn't done in time for entry into any of this seasons comps.

Another mate of mine has all of his components at home ready to go into his car, and is saving up to get it installed.

My bro knows all about the comps, but has nothing more then 6x9's and a deck in his car, so wont be doing anything until he gets something installed, at which point he even may attend.

I've just upgraded my splits, and so i've given my old splits to a mate of mine, who is now planning on buying a cheap amp to run them. He may attend just for the fun of it.

Unfortuinately, all of these things are only hapenning now.. which means if these peole compete (the first two mates are guaranteed to) then it will be next season, not now.

I have also invited all my mats to come down with me as spectators, and oen of them came down for abit at the last comp i entered.

Out of all of the above, my brother is the only one who was into car audio before me, so i have not only gotten the others into audio, but have also told them all about CAASQ and made them want to compete.

So yes, I sure as hell have done my part to try to get people over to CAASQ.

Unfortunately money doesnt grow on trees, so i cant go and give thousands of dollars to each ot one them so taht they could compete last season.



With all due respect, an attitude / view like that is definately not going to change anything.

Just because competitors have sound systems, doesnt mean everyone we know is into audio... hell none of my mates were into it at all until i started to get into it alot more, even now they arent into it that big.

You think every competitor can just tell their friends "hey mate, spend thousands on a car stereo and enter CAASQ" and theyll do it?

Us 'competitors' (especially in ameteur classes) have very limited numbers of contacts, and can only reach so many people.

I went to the one CAASQ even i could make it to (the others i couldnt for reaons ive already mentiond - and they are reasons not excuses). I've also made it to every one of FHRX studios 'promotional' barbeques, where i've always made my car availiable to others to audition.

There isnt a whole lot more a person like me can do.

In fact I think Marty is one of the few people out there who is really doing alot to promote the event... almost every install he has done in the past has showed up to one comp or other, and every one of them is told about CAASQ without fail.

On the contrary to your belief, the rest is up to the organisers.

Most organisers are pro class competitiors... they either work in the industry or are very heavilly into car audio... they have alot of contacts throguh friends, through the industry, and through the forums and other promotional means.

It's these guys who have to reach more people.

While someone like me can reach maybe 3 or 4 people at best, these guys can reach 5-10 times that.

Why don't the organisers do something... like get into contact with stores? Places in NSW who sell quality gear like Doran, Precision, FHRX studios, No limit, hektic, etc... all ou have to do is say, get some simple flyers made up or something, and ask places like this to give one to their customers everytime they do an install or something.

I'm sure they would be happy to do it, as it is a non profit organisation and having customers enter such competitions servs as promotion for the company.

If flyers are hard or expensive to make, then even a simple business card, or just a pirce of paper with even information and maybe a clause saying "even if you dont have an expensive system, you can still compete" to tryt o reach a broader audience.

Add more emphasis on the three classes. Pro for the guys who really know what they are doing, ameteur for those with some knoweldge and who have entered events before, and beginner class for those with lower end systems, and who are new to the scene.

That way the guys with $500 or $1,000 systems can still hapilly compete without feeling intimidated, and walk out with maybe a trophy or a pat on the back, and abit of good advice on how they can improve.

Hell you think anyone would be buying coke or maccas if they didnt promote their produts?

Every company / business / product starts as a small thing that no one knows about.. whether it is successful comes down to a combination of the quality of the product/service and how well it is promoted.

This isnt a complaint... I just really want to see CAASQ get somewhere, because theres no doubt in my mind that it can be damn effective if it's marketed the right way.

There are so many people out there who have sound systems installed from places like strathfield, autobarn, JB hifi...theses places do tons of installs every day. Do you think any of the customers know abotu CAASQ, or even CAA?

Hell if these places (known for less impressive installs) start entering their cars in sound offs, they will want to do better quality installs because good results speak well for the company. Through CAASQ even the quality of installs at places like these can potentially be improved.

Look at the target market... anyone who has a sound system in their car. That is a massive target market...how many young P-platers do you see driving around0 with systems in their cars that think their systems are tops, and would just love any opportunity to show it. Now thik about how you could reach these people..

Through companies who sell / install car audio equipment is one way. Radio or newspapers (admittedly expensive, and probably unrealistic). Maybe get each of these stores to put up a poaster in their store to promote the event...there are a LOT of car audio places in NSW. Hell, if you like make up some posters or flyers, and when I go back to uni i'll hapilly pin some up on bullitin boards at university, get my friends to put some up at their unis, etc.

There are SO many ways to reach people, and posting a thread on a forum that not many people know about isnt going to achieve that much.

I joined the laser forums, heard of CAA on there becaue Marty (FHRX) told me about it. He then also told me about CAASQ. If not for these three events, I wouldnt have much of a sound system, I wouldnt be on CAA, and I wouldnt know about the existance of CAASQ.

yeah caasq need promotion, cos now i think only people who read this forum is know caasq, even the last caasq here in perth, that was held in albert myaree, is only known by members of this forum, even when i ask the guy at albert morley, 3 day before the comp, they didn't know anything.

so maybe the organiser of caasq can contact each car audio shop, and ask them to spread the word. cheers

were got nearly 11,500 members, yet only only a small % of them want to come to an event.

i would like to see more shops get behind it.
but there is alot of problems.

CAASQ is sponsored by Eclipse. alot of stores wont promote a comp that is sponsored by a rival brand.
Hektik here in melb do and we love them for it!
there is only so much we can do, most of us have day jobs and cant just take off to see stores when ever we like.

i wanna see this comp take off!

85 unique SQ entrants out of 11'500, and some of the entrants aren't even on this forum at all, they came on the day because they were customers of the store.

So 85 / 11'500 = 0.7% of this forum actually care about SQ.

I like it.

Would you like me to print up some type of promotional 'flyers' to put up at my uni (UWS Campbeltown) when I go back?

If you like when the time comes, i can make up a simple design and send it to someone in CAASQ management for evaluation. Or if any of you guys want to design some and ill just print them off and put a couple up.

Can try to give some to friends (Woolongong uni, other UWS campuses) and possibly some TAFE's.

I go back to uni March next year, so can put some up then (or just before then) if you like.

Let me know if you are interested and i'll see if i can organise something once it gets closer to the next semester.

Promoting what?

There isn't going to be anything to promote...... I think I just told you about 5 posts ago

Sorry to say, but its pointless to some degree having to read your posts Muzzy when you've backed CAASQ only once this year…….so why do you care if they arent around in 06?

You were at Marty's BBQ with about 10 mates……….did ANY of them come down to compete or support the scene more than once? NO.

This is just me venting some "CC"………so don’t take it to heart, ive only got 7.5hrs to go in my shift, I don’t want to spend it reading your reply


I like Mr Bob's quote from the beginning of the year...



No point crying about it and coming up with excuses - plenty of other people have had it tough.....they still competed.

Who remembers the white excel at No limit? the dude had an accident that morning and STILL came down to compete

Pete & George working all night & finishing their work 2hrs before the comp started.

George taking my car to DORAN to compete because I had to work the night shift.....if he didnt i wouldnt have kept my lead on Con.......sorry bro haha

Another mate who was going to come down but someone stole his brand new intercooler 2 days before and couldnt make it.

And im sure theres many more.........point is that noone has had an easy ride this year, but in one way or another made the effort to come down and compete more than once.

There's been plenty of exposure - but i only agree with you in one respect.........and that is that MORE can be done about it.

Id be interested to see where all the money is going - this is one aspect of the comps that has baffled me when I hear that we cant afford more advertising….

Here's a good read: http://www.caraudioaustralia.com/forums/in...&st=0&p=560169&



So are Eton & Phass.....i didnt see one banner or sign at any of our events - crap, didnt even see a Rep!

Couldnt Eclipse hold an event for us? The Rep at No Limit was pretty cool - i mean, he was more concerned about getting the words "Eclipse" in every photo but hey, he was there and was a great guy to talk to

Were any of THESE dealers approached to hold a comp?

Absolute Car Systems

Audio Concepts

Auto Motiv Sound & Security

Auto Sound and Vision

Ballina Car Sound

Darrell Smailes Car Audio

Druery Car Stereo

Fairfield Car Radio

In Car Systems

Metro Sound

No Limit Car Sound - wollongong

Precision Mobile Media


In case you don’t recognise the list………it's straight off Eclipse's site.


No point being happy that we have a sponsor on board, if we have to be careful where we host the events

If i remember correctly, Eclipse were willing to donate a deck to each comp, but i only saw one the whole year being given out.....what happened to the rest? Dont tell me its because the comp wasnt held at an Eclipse dealer!?!?!?!
If it was because of that, then the whole "hold comps at a store" is bullcrap. Comps should be held in big halls, or parks somewhere, away from all the commercial stuff, people don't want to go to an SQ comp to have people try selling them stuff!
…………...that's how they do SQ events overseas


Why does it have to be held at a store? Plenty of big open spaces in Sydney………could even make a day out of it with some stands etc.

For example, FHRX's Sub comparison day went well……I don’t see why you would need to just hold the events at a store.

Im all FOR having a comp in 06 - i met some cool people and learnt ALOT about sound quality........but there are alot of things that have been left unanswered this whole year which has me thinking....."is it worth it?".

Muzzy:

I've said it before in the CAASQ section- you are always quick to point out the flaws with the competition, whatever format is running, yet the facts are these:

1) You always say you will attend competitions;
2) You say you will bring your mates;
3) You have attended one competition;
4) You continue to criticise rather than critique;
5) You blame organisers for the poor attendance.

Now as a member of Pro Class, a private entrant, who has attended every competiton in NSW this year REGARDLESS of my circumstances. I'm paying higher entrant fees. I'm borrowing equipment at 3am on the morning of a competition. I've competed out of tune and out of control knowing that the points are valuble to the cause.

I'm actually agreeing with Marc Rushton in CAASQ now!

What you will find, if you actually got out there and made an effort to turn up to competitions versus the message board is this:

a) There is a small, niche, die hard group of SQ fans;
B) There is a massive % of "gunnas" who never do;
c) It is, and always will be, extremely difficult for our market to support a competition format of any organisation;
d) SPL (bells and whistles) shouldn't be considered the enemy;
e) Gunnas should vote with their feet and their wallets, not their keyboards and maybe we would have a viable competition in this country.

NSW seems to be extremely problematic in this respect. The cars are here its just that people cannot be bothered turning up to competitions. Those who were at the last competition at Doran discussed this at length. There is only so much the organisers can do - the rest falls on the individual.

I am extremely pissed off that you claim there is no support from the industry! Had you turned up to the last comp perhaps you would have done as I did and apologised to Tony Doran for opening up on a Sunday and putting on a BBQ for a handful of people.

Why do you think the industry shys away from such concerns? Its because the consumer, who buys on eBay and become experts from reading forums, doesn't give a crap and couldn't care less about putting the money back into the industry and supporting organisations such as CAASQ.

Two awesome replies.

Haven't got much to add really...

Except that I ran an SRx2S in tri-mode, full-range for all speakers, just for the opportunity to compete... and I won a competition because it was me versus one car who'd never been in an SQ comp before.

Hasn't been an easy year for anyone... disappointing that so many people in NSW who say they are serious at SQ aren't interested in attending comps.



Is there no-one else in NSW apart from muzzy who has even expressed verbal interest in attending? Scares me that there are so few committed to attending comps yet happy to offer advice on SQ...

Guys, as someone who was a member of CAM in the early 90s and member and judge of IASCA in the late 90s I can offer a hint as to why both have died and CAASQ is fast heading the same way; sponsorship, money and commercialism.

Whilst this is a hobby powered competition, unlike the Olympics it doesn't require a venue, especially a sponsored one. My advice would be to forget the big sponsorship deals with manufacturers, forget the shops and just get it back to its core roots which is the competitors. I'll fund the bloody soundoffs and trophies myself if need be...

This has all been said before but I'll reiterate. Why not try holding the first 2006 CAASQ NSW event (I'm happy to kick it off) at the same place we have our BBQ's (a public national park), let amateur class enter for free and simply forget about trying to get as many company / shop names in as possible? That way the audiophiles can meet, chat and get into what they're there for; their hobby.

HOORAY very very smart answer there Marty.

Competitions need to grow first before you think about profit margins. Sponsorship from manufacturers and shop owners is not the way to go. It will turn into a biased competition.

Marty i think the main reason we hold the comps at the stores is for public liability insurance,
when it's at a shop it is all covered bythe shops insurance, if we have it at a park we have to pay it..

Can we all sign disclaimers?

Good stuff Marty!

SQ rocks!

Can't sign disclaimers... well you can. But those people attending just to watch and anyone that walks in that car park would not be covered...

Having a family chockers full of lawyers I can tell you there are a few ways of dealing with the insurance issue.

* You could sign disclaimers (perhaps this could be inserted into the entry form but like BD said it leaves everyone not competiting open).

or

* You can also get public liability insurance for single one off events (we used to do this for the Fast Fours car club events and like I said for $159 I'll pay for it myself if need be).

or

* You can also just be a plain bunch of people meeting up in a public national park (another reason for not doing it on commercial premesis and not having it all officially sponsored)...

Like I said, I'll happily run the comps and pay for the insurance myself for you if you wish. When one thinks about it we all win in the end even if I have to outlay a little at the start.

Well there it is

Bing! I believe the key to builing more interest in SQ is awareness. I'm a QLD Pro Street competitor and have attended all bar 1 CAASQ event so far this year. While its nice to catch up and touch base with fellow likeminded audiophiles like myself, I get the most joy and satisfaction to have someone who's still building their knowledge come up and approach me.

I attended a non CAASQ event recently and after the competition a fellow entrant came and asked to listen to my setup. I happily obliged and we ended up spending a good 45 minutes to an hour discussing, general audio theory and exactly what constitutes "sound quality". Here was someone who was curious for more knowledge, and in my opinion - didnt know how or where to find it.

How can sound quality gain popularity when the bulk of entrants (in novice/amateur) don't know how a well tuned system should sound? In saying that, its definately not CAAs fault here. The modifed car scene is teeming with glossy magazine photoshoots of cars with a dozen screens, just as many woofers, some garish looking fibreglass....you get the idea. End of the day 80% of these setups would sound like utter rubbish when put to the test.

Phat Devil raised a valid point earlier. You'll find most of the QLD comps are big on atmosphere - its a social event after all. The message needs to be sent out that its not just reserved to the big boys with lots of cash who are given the biggest portion of judges time. If anything these such competitors should be acting as ambassadors. For example if someone walks by and eyes off an impressive looking install, the owner should offer them a listen.

Knowlegde fuels interest. If more people knew exactly what the terms hi fidelity and car audio actually mean when put together, I believe CAASQ would truly take off.

The regular competitors and judges have spoken!
Let a new direction for CAA be embraced.

Don't let NSW die!

here, here!
i was browsing around the net towards the end of last year and came across this site via a link. needless to say, i did some reading, learned what i needed to get a grasp on building my system, and now i am a huge fan of caa and the sq comps (having recently entered my first comp after attending several as a spectator). i love the scene here in vic, with plenty of social gatherings held throughout the year for members to just come along to, have a listen to others' systems and have a drink and a laugh together.

i dont think anyone wants to see caa die in any state, especially nsw where there are top quality installers making beautiful cars that also sound great. i think we all agree the only thing holding caa back is exposure. we all need to do our bit to try and encourage friends to come along and get interested. as mentioned earlier, i think local businesses could also help out alot by promoting up-coming events to clients.

lets keep caa alive and healthy.

i cant even get anyone in Vic interested in social meets anymore.

everyone keeps asking for meets yet whenever i have one no one turns up!!

for example have a look at the gokarting we had a while ago, i put up in expression of interest thread and we had heaps saying they would be there, soon as i put up a proper thread no one replied..

the CAASQ meets are not to bad but there is no car sceen in melb anymore.
there is no where in melb to go like harrys diners in QLD.
we seem to be limited to car audio stores and then there is no much to do while the comps happening..

All CAASQ comps here in QLD were run inconjunction with a DB Drag comp also. I'm not sure how it works down south.

Because of ours being run at the same time, I was able to check out other systems etc when not running in the lanes. That also gave the SQ guys something else to do when their car wasn't being judged.

As of next season up here I will be running in CAASQ in my own car and helping the rest of TeAm ShonKy in SPL.

So yeah in away with them being together, I have changed my thoughts on SQ

There are other factors to consider.

Apparently, the issues with attendance lie in nsw.

From the number of people on the forum, take off everyone who isnt from NSW.

Now, take off everyone who doesnt have a sound system in their cars.

Now take of everyone who is in nsw, but is say outside the western suburbs (as this is where practically every event was held).

Now take out all of the people on the forum who havent actually noticed the small 'caasq' section of the Forum.

So we are adding up the people who:
1) Live in NSW
2) Live in or near the western suburbs
3) Have a roadworthy car
4) Have a Sound system currently in their car
5) Have a sound system in their car that is worth competing with ( I wouldnt compete if I had a $500 system as id feel shamed to)
6) Are not working full time (some people have set rosters and cannot make the dates)
7) Spend enough time on the forums to have actually come across the small section of the Forum dedicated to CAASQ

Narrow down that criteria, and it wouldnt surprise me if that "11,700" figure suddenly drops to around 500 or 1,000 ... sure it may still not be a beautiful figure, but yours is clearly significantly exhagerated.

You know nothing about me obvisouly.

Abit of a lesson... don't judge a person you don't know..



I had as good a reason as anyone could for not being at those other events, do don't even think about feeding me this BS.

Event 1:
Had all of my components, but my system was not yet installed. Also was not yet aware of the competions existance until about 3 days before it was on. Did you really expect me to come to a comp id never heard of, without any sound system in my car at all, at a location i didnt know how to get to (was still learning my way around at the time) ?

Event 2:
My old work had been slow, so I was off work for 2 months. As expected, rego and insurance happened to come during this time.. I also had to pay for petrol and living expenses without cash.. to add to it, i blew my head gasket on the freeway, which cost me jsut over a grand to repair. I also still owed some money for my installation.

Getting a job was difficult, because I had only about 6 months work experience.

The result is I ended up in over $5,000 debt, because I had to live off my credit card (couldnt rely on my parents to pay me through unlike some people).

I Still managed to find the time and money to make it to the second event, despite all of the above, along with the fact that my car was not correctly tuned..

Event 3:
Very luckilly, a guy left my mates work, and so they were lookin gfor a replacement

My mate managed to get me the job, and I started a week before the competition. I happened to be rostered on the day of the competition.

With all due respect for CAA, I'm not going to go up to my manager my first week on the job, and ask for a day off so I can enter a car audio competition... and i dont know anyone in their right mind who would.

Especially considering how much i needed the job, due to the above issues.

Event 4:
On the way home, the night before the event, i hit my car into a concrete barrier on the M5 (microsleep). After the incident, I called my cousin (a mechanic) because the car felt unstable (no cosmetic damage) and he advised me not to risk driving it for safety reasons.

My parents wouldn't allow me to take their cars, and i wasnt about to wake up all of my friends at 2 in the morning (or 7 in the morning before leaving) to talk them into driving me to an event that i was incapable of even entering. I told them all about the event before hand and invited them, but they all either had somethign on, or didnt want to come.

So before you start pointing fingers at me for not supporting the event, maybe you should first ask me WHY i only attended one event.. i recommend dong so next time. You may find that some people a very good damn reason.



That is a really stupid point to make...

WTF am i supposed to do? Chain them up and drag them?

I told every one of my mates about each event. In every case they were unable to come due to commitments, or else they didnt want to come. Considering they arent into audio the way I am im not surprised.. if someone invited me to a sewing competition as a spectator I wouldnt be all that interested in attending either.

I think the fact that i managed to bring them along to both barbeques is impressive enough, given their lack of interest in the subject.

You mention all of the people who were in bad situations, but still came... why?

BECAUSE THEY COULD!

I just love it how people are so fast to 'criticise' the people who do genuinely try to attend and cant, without even asking them why.

Clearly we have a world full in open minded, intelligent individuals....




I sure hope that isnt aimed at me...

At no point did i accuse the industry for lack of support. I simply suggested that the organisers should try to approach more stores for promotional support (i.e. to put up posters, and hand out information flyers to customers).

If that response was aimed at me i suggest you go back and read my responses properly.



Criticise? if you go back and read my posts, i've made offered to do all i can to help out with promotion of the eventns and tried to make suggestions on how it may possibly be improved. If that is criticism in your eyes, then i suggest you buy a new dictionary to memorise.

Blaming organisers for poor attendance? I'm not saying that the organisers are at fault necesarilly because they are donig a bad job.. im saying that while competitors can TRY to bring friends to boost attendance, we have a limited number of contacts... and that it is literally the JOB of organisers to promote the event.

You can deny this all you wish, but it is an absolute, and un-arguable FACT. Just as the performance of a store is primarily the responsibility of the manager - the success of a competition is primarilly the responsibility of its organisers. Sure we can try to help, but that is useless if the people at the top arent doing all they can do.

When you are the manager of a store that isnt performing, you can't point the finger and blame the few customers who ARE coming to your store... you have to come up with ways to bring others in.

I've made just as much attempt as any of you to make it to each and every event, and unfortuantely in some cases I couldn't.

Marty, some great ideas there, and good to see you (as usual) being the one to come up and acutally offer to do something about the situation instead of just blaming everyone else.

In fact Im 95% sure my debts will be cleared by early next year, so I may try to chip in a bit financially as well if people can show me that this thing is worth keeping... some of these attitudes are starting to leave me in doubt. I couldnt provide that much (as ill be at uni full time) but i would try to do what I can to help out.

Lucky i dont know you.....i couldnt handle you crying me a river every 2 seconds

My reference to Marty's BBQ was because it completely contradicts your "enthusiasm" to promote the scene......if you cant get mates to come along to these comps, what hope do you have bringing complete strangers along?

Noone is asking for excuses......but dont come on here preaching all these wonderful things you want to do to promote the scene, when you havent contributed much this year.

Thats the point some of us are trying to make here

Oh and im sure you spent alot of time walking around the streets tapping random people on the shoulder saying "hey come to CAASQ its a car audio competition".

You talk to much crap that I just can't belive...

In fact you practically contradicted yourself.

I tried to get mates to come to the comps and they could't, but i managed to get them to come to a sound off barbeque, so I think im doing pretty well.

to middleman, stazed, and DTM5:
Please could you each give me a list of how many people YOU have each brought to the competitions? Based on the number of people at the last three comps, my guess is not many..

Don't complain to me for not bringing people along, when you havent really done a much better job (if at all) yourself.

At least I have TRIED. And probably tried alot more then half of you have...

Considering that I have put just as much effort and time into preparing for competitions (and trying trying to bring people) as you guys have, I've got at least as much right as any of you do to make suggestions regarding the competition...in fact, so does anyone joe blow who hasnt entered it yet.

You go around trying to preach that noone has a right to give input unless they come to practically every event... and then you all wonder why no one competes!

You know what? I don't really care.

It's obvious ... you guys are all ranked highly in the comps, so that makes you superior to everyone else, and give you more right to comment on events?

If people continue with this type of attitude towards people who want to attend, then dont expect a rush of new competitors anytime soon.

It's attitudes like this that makes outsiders feel 'intimidated' and not want to enter. If you want the event to continue, then instead of blaming everyone who DOES try to come, try to actually coem up with ways to improve it.

The aim is, this shouldnt be seen as a 'competition'. It should be a fun gathering whre some people come up, judges come out and give a little scoresheet, we all have fun.

A large number of people wont compete becasue they dont want to waste money when they dont think theyll do well.

We dont need half the expenses... why do we need trophies? whats wrong with a simple certificate and a name up on the forums.

We dont need sponsered locations, Marty has just shown us that.

As for paying judges, they take time off to come, but so do competitors...

I dont see where all these expenses are needed?

The more people 'invest' in the events, the more theyll expect back.. the result is the comp 'feels' more professional and competitive, and less like a fun social gathering.

Reduce entry costs, and get rid of the fancy things that the comp doesnt really need... then you will increase attendance.

calm down kiddys...

Muzzy you're missing the point completely......go have a coke and a smile and shut the fcuk up B)

Look Muzzy, I could type a really long reply about what I've gone through and what Thanassis has gone through to get to comps, but it isn't worth it. I work fulltime and I study fulltime, and I can still get to comps.

End result was that we were there and competed. End of discussion.

Amen.

Hey Pete what are you up to tonight? Want to go out for coffee and talk about how cool we are?

no there is no IASCA in australia

wrong thread

I'll be brief:

1. No, 85 unique entrants in all four competiting states. Not just NSW
2. Not true, competitors come from everywhere
3. The extremely large majority on a car forum have a roadworthy car
4. It's a car audio forum, whaddaya expect?
5. Worth competing? I don't care if it's a Strathfield Special, cars have scored 40 points less than 1st place and got a 2nd place trophy.
6. I have a set roster for sundays'...... once every two months has never bothered work. Most people work fulltime, and not on sunday.
7. It's not hard to see it on the main page....

Of course it's exaggerated. But don't sit there arguing with me about how much I exaggerated by, you've hardly disproved me.

You're arguing about percentages instead of agreeing that 85 people in 4 Australian states over a 12 month period is a joke.
Middle Man put it so well:


And stop writing 10 page essays, here's a hint - no-one reads them!

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